They may hold him as a backup, maybe even let him start the first few weeks on what will again be a disgustingly bad offense. He is still very inexpensive and could become a commodity if he flashes.Incredibly he’s going to be in exact same situation next year. Miami will draft Tua and ship him off.
He costs nothing to have for this year and next, even 2021 would be chump change on Year 4 of his rookie deal...and then I think Miami gets to recoup a 3rd if he walks...but I might not have that down exactly right but it's pretty close to that. I don't see Rosen going anywhere.Incredibly he’s going to be in exact same situation next year. Miami will draft Tua and ship him off.
I'm seeing a great downfield arm but not enough pocket presence or ability to reading defenses to be elite. With a good run game and Oline, he might be good. He was a cheap backup for Murray, but they got rid of him, which says something.He costs nothing to have for this year and next, even 2021 would be chump change on Year 4 of his rookie deal...and then I think Miami gets to recoup a 3rd if he walks...but I might not have that down exactly right but it's pretty close to that. I don't see Rosen going anywhere.
He threw 2 perfectly thrown bombs yesterday down the field and they were flat DROPPED! Get him some receivers before I say he can't play.
He has no OL, no skill position players at Receiver to speak of, no defense to set him up on a short field once in a while, the kid has no chance to showcase much in 2019 and yet he is showing some flashes.
And not an OL that could start on any of the 31 other NFL Teams, that's saying something as well. How can you have pocket presence in this offense?I'm seeing a great downfield arm but not enough pocket presence or ability to reading defenses to be elite. With a good run game and Oline, he might be good. He was a cheap backup for Murray, but they got rid of him, which says something.
I don’t disagree that he has potential. His career is getting torpedoed though.Ministry of Pain said:He costs nothing to have for this year and next, even 2021 would be chump change on Year 4 of his rookie deal...and then I think Miami gets to recoup a 3rd if he walks...but I might not have that down exactly right but it's pretty close to that. I don't see Rosen going anywhere.
He threw 2 perfectly thrown bombs yesterday down the field and they were flat DROPPED! Get him some receivers before I say he can't play.
He has no OL, no skill position players at Receiver to speak of, no defense to set him up on a short field once in a while, the kid has no chance to showcase much in 2019 and yet he is showing some flashes.
Maybe it's not everyone around him. Maybe he just isn't very good.I don’t disagree that he has potential. His career is getting torpedoed though.
Maybe. I’d just point out that after the draft - which was when Arizona began to look to deal him- there weren’t really any other teams that needed a qbMaybe it's not everyone around him. Maybe he just isn't very good.
A lot of teams had a chance at him last year, and the only taker was Miami who gave up a late second round pick. Sounds like most of the NFL doesn't think too much of him. Maybe they are right.
Wait, what? If they were looking after the draft, how did he go for a second round pick?Maybe. I’d just point out that after the draft - which was when Arizona began to look to deal him- there weren’t really any other teams that needed a qb
Actually Miami got him In-Draft and AZ was serious about finding him a place to go prior to the draft, they didn't want to groom two young QBs and hope one would stick.Maybe. I’d just point out that after the draft - which was when Arizona began to look to deal him- there weren’t really any other teams that needed a qb
There was an article - I think in SI- about how badly Arizona botched the trade process.Actually Miami got him In-Draft and AZ was serious about finding him a place to go prior to the draft, they didn't want to groom two young QBs and hope one would stick.
I understand that Rosen probably did not do everything he could in order to succeed in AZ, but I'm watching him throw and his arm is pretty good. I'd like to see him have a professional OL to work behind, not sure he has seen that to work behind. I'd like to see him leading a team not trying to TANK openly and throw football games. NFL isn't going to allow this to happen for long.
They very well may have. But they traded him during the draft, not after. No matter how badly they botched it.There was an article - I think in SI- about how badly Arizona botched the trade process.
Right I misspoke. It was after day one so after draft was underway and first round was over.They very well may have. But they traded him during the draft, not after. No matter how badly they botched it.
I'm sorry, but that's just wrong too. I live in AZ, and followed this very closely. They were talking to teams before the draft, but got serious on day 1 right before the draft started. They wanted a first round pick and no one bit. That's why it went to day 2.Right I misspoke. It was after day one so after draft was underway and first round was over.
Let's move the discussion and shift the focus for just a minute...Arizona went for a QB with a 1st round pick 2 years in a row, that has to set back other key positions that allow a QB to function and look good, yes/no? I was impressed with Murray being able to lead his team from behind 2 weeks in a row, they've covered the spreads and Ravens were heavy favorites. But what I'm getting at is what damage to the franchise is done by going QB twice?I'm sorry, but that's just wrong too. I live in AZ, and followed this very closely. They were talking to teams before the draft, but got serious on day 1 right before the draft started. They wanted a first round pick and no one bit. That's why it went to day 2.
I'm not sure what article you are referring to, but it's wrong if they are saying the Cards weren't trying to deal him until day 2.
That's not wrong, the trade occurred after the first round was over. That's a fact. I never said they weren't trying to deal him until day 2, just that they botched it. Here's the article:I'm sorry, but that's just wrong too. I live in AZ, and followed this very closely. They were talking to teams before the draft, but got serious on day 1 right before the draft started. They wanted a first round pick and no one bit. That's why it went to day 2.
I'm not sure what article you are referring to, but it's wrong if they are saying the Cards weren't trying to deal him until day 2.
I agree 100 percent. Drafting Rosen was a huge mistake.Let's move the discussion and shift the focus for just a minute...Arizona went for a QB with a 1st round pick 2 years in a row, that has to set back other key positions that allow a QB to function and look good, yes/no? I was impressed with Murray being able to lead his team from behind 2 weeks in a row, they've covered the spreads and Ravens were heavy favorites. But what I'm getting at is what damage to the franchise is done by going QB twice?
If you draft 1st Round twice same position it doesn't say great things about upper management and the Cards GM has been highly criticized for some of his moves. I'm not anti-Murray although I have to be honest I'm not a real believer just yet.
OK. Got it. I agree they botched it.That's not wrong, the trade occurred after the first round was over. That's a fact. I never said they weren't trying to deal him until day 2, just that they botched it. Here's the article:
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/04/26/arizona-cardinals-josh-rosen-no-draft-night-trade-first-round
JOSH ROSEN QB, MIAMI DOLPHINS
The Miami Herald reports Ryan Fitzpatrick and Josh Rosen shared first-team snaps in Thursday's practice.
Barry Jackson's report is via a Dolphins player. Coach Brian Flores has said Fitzpatrick is the starter "right now." It will likely be Fitz who takes the first snap against the Cowboys, but it would be thoroughly unsurprising were Rosen to get run for the second-straight week. Fitz is all the way off the DFS radar.
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SOURCE: Barry Jackson on Twitter
Sep 19, 2019, 2:43 PM ET
If you follow the team closely, if you read Armondo Salguero who covers the team...Tank for Tua has been an open game plan for months.dipandglide said:I’m not buying Miami taking a QB high 100%. They are a dumpster fire and need to rebuild the whole roster, if Rosen shows anything, they can rebuild other positions and give him a 1-3 year shot. If not, they can get a QB high in ‘21/22 rather than throw one to the wolves in ‘20.
When he's in, this guy leads the league in aDOT by about ten yards or so at sixteen yards, four more than his nearest competitor, you guessed it, Ryan Fitzpatrick. Mad Bombers of Ineptitude Unite!'Boys D lickin their chops
Interesting. Small sample size for Rosen. Fitzpatrick is one of the best at avoiding sacks (only 72 in his last 49 starts before Miami) while Rosen must be among the worst. When Rosen has time, he could be money. But I expect a lot of 3 and outs. Maybe he connects with the unicorn late after the point spread is safe.When he's in, this guy leads the league in aDOT by about ten yards or so at sixteen yards, four more than his nearest competitor, you guessed it, Ryan Fitzpatrick. Mad Bombers of Ineptitude Unite!
Yeah, my comment was actually fairly neutral one way or the other about him being good; he seems to like or want to throw deep in that small sample size where he's not the starter (which could indeed affect a ton of things).Interesting. Small sample size for Rosen. Fitzpatrick is one of the best at avoiding sacks (only 72 in his last 49 starts before Miami) while Rosen must be among the worst. When Rosen has time, he could be money. But I expect a lot of 3 and outs. Maybe he connects with the unicorn late after the point spread is safe.
He throws a nice ball. He had several nice throws dropped last week and more this week. You need players to hold up their end of things if you want to succeed.Anyone watch him today? Thoughts?
Josh Rosen completed 17-of-24 passes for 180 yards with a touchdown and an interception in Week 4 against the Chargers.
He also took four sacks. Rosen threw a 34-yard touchdown to a wide open DeVante Parker and looked sharp in the first half, but he collapsed under pressure in the second half. The was a slight improvement from last week, but Rosen has now thrown for under 200 yards in both of his starts. The Dolphins will get Rosen ready for a matchup with the Redskins when they come out of their Week 5 bye.
Sep 29, 2019, 4:26 PM ET
Coach Brian Flores said the starting quarterback situation is "settled" and Josh Rosen will start the remainder of the season.
Flores said he likes the progress he's seen from Rosen the last few weeks and is ready to roll with him the rest of 2019 barring injury. Rosen has started the last two games and is 35-of-63 for 380 yards and a 1:1 TD:INT mark. Week 6 against the similarly-awful Redskins might be Rosen's best shot of the season to reach 300-plus yards and multiple touchdowns.
SOURCE: Armando Salguero on Twitter
Oct 9, 2019, 11:17 AM ET
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Should have said "...barring injury or inevitable poor performance because he is Josh Rosen."Flores said he likes the progress he's seen from Rosen the last few weeks and is ready to roll with him the rest of 2019 barring injury.
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The Dolphins prematurely made Josh Rosen a starter before he was ready. He struggled for three games and Brian Flores pulled the plug before defenses REALLY created a book on him. As a former defensive coordinator Flores know what was coming. He saved Rosen from bottoming out.
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Anyone who has seen Josh Rosen practice knows he’s not an NFL starter. He doesn’t process what he sees fast enough. Bottom line.
GM Chris Grier is on the hot seat for giving up a late 2nd for Rosen. Josh makes some wow throws, which is why he may have been drafted with the 10th overall pick. But he doesn't see the field or have good pocket presence. He would need a great oline and good weapons to succeed, like the Rams of 2017 & 2018. Apparently no other team was interested.One post above:
Should have said "...barring injury or inevitable poor performance because he is Josh Rosen."
The barometer in Miami is that he couldn't beat out Fitzpatrick in practice or in the preseason. But Fitzpatrick has game, so maybe that's not fair. The local reporters said he had trouble picking up the offense. In real games, he hasn't been good at looking off defenders, reading defenses or avoiding sacks. As you state, his olines have been horrible. In addition, the skill position talent has been below average, except for DJ in Arizona. He'll probably start some games later in the year, but he's likely an NFL backup QB. Fitzpatrick has a 2 year contract, maybe he'll be the mentor to Miami's QB of the future.Rosen has played two seasons behind historically bad offensive lines.
Last season Arizona has 7 offensive linemen go on IR, to include all 5 starters.
PFF ranked the Dolphins OL as the worst in the league before the season started. That rank was given when Tunsil was still on the team too. They've changed their start starting OL lineup 5 times in 5 games. I think they also have the worst average draft position starting OL in the league in the well.
Add to the fact that he has played for 3-13 Steve Wilks and now 0-5 Brian Flores as his head coaches.
I'm not saying the kid is good or will become good, but how can anyone be accurately evaluated considering the above.
I think Miami traded down or something with New Orleans prior. I would have to look but it felt like on Draft Night that Miami got him for a swan and he also is low salary and a back up that could blossom in a year or two.GM Chris Grier is on the hot seat for giving up a late 2nd for Rosen. Josh makes some wow throws, which is why he may have been drafted with the 10th overall pick. But he doesn't see the field or have good pocket presence. He would need a great oline and good weapons to succeed, like the Rams of 2017 & 2018. Apparently no other team was interested.
Going further on Grier, he apparently overruled owner Ross' preference in the 2018 draft for Lamar Jackson, who would've made more of a splash.