QB Jared Goff, DET (2 Viewers)

[BobbyLayne]

Jared Goff is a good guy. He is humble, self-aware, gracious, generous with both his time and money, a leader on and off the field. He is calm and steady during games, neither too excitable or prone to despair. He is an Enneagram Type Three, also known as "The Achiever." This type typically has a strong desire to succeed and be recognized for their accomplishments, which aligns with Goff's successful football career. He is a good son, a proud little brother and an encouraging big brother to his two sisters.

If you're not a JG16 fan, I bet you'd shoot a disobedient puppy in the face.

I’m sorry, but that contract is ridiculous, especially for a one-dimensional QB who doesn’t throw a good deep ball. You have to be more fiscally responsible than that.
Giving Jared Goff a 4-year extension for that kind of money is suicide. They couldn’t of handled it any worse, IMO.

Just when it looked like they were turning the corner, too.

thought of you when I saw this

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unrelated but interesting....

@SharpFootball

A look at how much cap space each QB has taken up the last 5 years:

2020-2024

$151M - Dak Prescott 2-5 in the playoffs

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$134M - Jared Goff 5-4 in the playoffs (does not include a win in relief when he entered a 0-0 game and played 85% of snaps)
$129M - Kirk Cousins 1-5 in the playoffs
$124M - Matthew Stafford 4-4
$123M - Patrick Mahomes 15-3 (lolololololololololol)
$118M - Deshaun Watson 1-2
$103M - Aaron Rodgers 12-10
$103M - Jimmy Garoppolo 5-2
$96M - Kyler Murray 0-1
$85M - Daniel Jones 1-1
$83M - Lamar Jackson 2-4
$83M - Derek Carr 0-1
$81M - Josh Allen 5-5
$74M - Joe Burrow 5-2

*excluding Russ (9-7 .563) & Tannehill (2-3 .400) who were cut/contract expired.

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***fiscally responsible***

Active Leaders - Quarterback Playoff Games won as a starter

1. Mahomes 15 (.833)
2. Rodgers 12 (.545)
3. Burrow 5 (.714)
4. Garoppolo 5 (.714)
5. Goff 5 (.556)*
6. Allen 5 (.500)
7. Stafford 4 (.500)
8. Jackson 2 (.333)
9. Prescott 2 (.286)
10. Jones 1 (.500)
11. Watson 1 (.333)
12. Cousins 1 (.167)

*6 wins and .600 if QB wins were actually a meaningful stat and accounted for properly

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Goff got paid for a third time because he deserves it. He earned that bag.

 

[BobbyLayne]

"... Oh yeah, I forgot that Goff isn't very mobile so some people think he sucks. That's laughable."

Funny stuff, there's lots of that. More broadly speaking, the part I like is Goff's impressive numbers in the 4th qtr. That's gotta means something, right? You needn't bother to tell us why, it's self-explanatory. Thing is, you don't have to look very far to find another very popular QB from MI. His name is JJ, except, even though his body of work in the 2nd half of games is comparatively negligible, it doesn't mean jack. Which is it? How can this speak to the level of play for one QB & the lack there of meaningless for another?

I think the counter is more or less, should jared Goff be the 2nd highest paid QB? Can he time up the necessary placement under duress, can he extend plays? Or, is he more of a system guy? It's all a matter of circumstance. This team is in a championship window & most will agree that, at the very least, he's done enough for them to stay the course. But that's understating it, they like him a lot. Perhaps worth considering is whether they had a sense of it at about this time last year? Couldn't they have infused a little short term confidence in him then? They've said it, Jared's been our guy the whole way. Oh okay, then why didn't you resign him when it was more favorable to do so? Perhaps it wouldn't have made much difference?

This below is a local source, in part, citing ESPN, dated mid-December of last year:

"As we know, Jared Goff struggles under pressure more than a normal quarterback. But, lately, he’s been a complete disaster. Here’s a snippet from an article from ESPN’s Bill Barnwell: "He has never been a great quarterback under pressure, but before the bye, he ranked 16th in QBR when opposing teams’ pass rushes got in his face. That’s not ideal, but it’s not going to hold back Detroit. Since the bye, however, Goff’s QBR under pressure is 0.6. That’s less than one out of 100. It’s the worst mark in football. He has posted a minus-25.7% CPOE under pressure over that stretch, gone 10-of-36 for 60 yards, and taken 10 sacks."" https://www.prideofdetroit.com/2023/12/12/23998186/detroit-lions-3-biggest-issues-are-they-fixable

So, this was something when he came out, something with the Rams, his coach lost confidence & proven the case again in Detroit. Obviously they righted the ship & finished strong. Would seem, regardless of what they just paid him, they've got to keep him out of these situations.

2023 Lions when all 5 starting offensive lineman were healthy at the start of the game:

10-1* including 2-0 in the playoffs

2023 Lions when Taylor Decker, Frank Ragnow or Jonah Jackson didn't play because of injury:

4-5 including 0-1 in the playoffs

Goff with healthy starting OL:

248-359-69.1%-2935 (8.2 YPA) 21 TD 3 INT passer rating 109.73

Goff with 1 or more starting OL out:

236-357-66.1%-2477 (6.9 YPA) 13 TD 9 INT passer rating 87.72

*the lone loss was at Dallas when the 2-pt conversion was overturned due to the officials being confused

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BTW, a few days after the articles you cite came out, the OL got healthy, Goff threw for 5 TDs, and they hung 42 on the Broncos - who came in having won 6 out of 7.

This is exceedingly reductive and doesn't tell the full story, but honestly the complete disaster portion of the season - Ravens blowout, both Bears games, the L to the Packers on Thanksgiving - all 4 of his worst games they were starting the likes of Kayode Awosika, Matt Nelson or rookie Colby Sorsdal up front.

That said, we lost to the Cowboys in part because Jared needed to play better (2 INT), and Jonah Jackson missing the NFCCG was around reason #29 why they lost.

Goff played well enough to beat SF, he was outstanding in all 3 playoff games. Poor coaching decisions, a fluky catch, Jahmyr fumbling, and a plethora of missed tackles/dropped passes led to a tsunami force comeback. The better team won that day, Detroit wasn't ready for the moment. But when you go back and watch the tape, Jared Goff was not why they lost the game, not by a long shot.

 

[travdogg]

Goff is the first and only quarterback in [the] NFL history to reach with 30K yards with less than 100 interceptions (82, 2.0% INT)

That stat isn't even close to accurate. A quick list of QBs who have done it includes:

Aaron Rodgers, In fact Rodgers got to 50K yards with less than 100 INTs.
Joe Montana
Steve Young
Matt Ryan
Russell Wilson, who hit 40K yards with under 100 INTs
Donovan McNabb
Alex Smith, the closest comp in my opinion
Kirk Cousins
Derek Carr
and the aforementioned Ryan Tannehill

Dak Prescott, Patrick Mahomes will both do it this year too.

ETA: Tom Brady, and Philip Rivers did it too.

FYP

Well when you make addendums like that, then its a completely meaningless stat.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I really don't know what more Goff can do. His performance speaks for itself. In addition, his leadership skills, toughness, and resilience are off the charts.

1406 posts and this is the only post that uses that word.

Honestly I cannot fathom anyone doing what Jared did in rebuilding himself after the Rams gave up on him. Obviously you give some credit to Brad, Dan and Ben, but the bulk of that is a DIY project. Absolute unit when it comes to perseverance. It's why his teammates love him so much. Even if he's turned it over or thrown a pick 6, he'll shake it off and come back slinging it.

He's not the most talented quarterback, his arm is average. His ball fakes are elite and he's so good at going through his progressions. It's a great situation for everyone involved: the incredible character HMFIC, premier OC, the elite OL, Amon-Ra + the other playmakers. I'm so stoked they locked up their foundational pieces - their first draft pick, their first superstar, and the quarterback who did what no other Lions QB has done since the days of Bobby Layne and Tobin Rote.

 

[Zeppelin]

Right now Goff's $53 million average is 2nd to Joe Burrow. Yes, that sounds terrible because he isn't the second best QB in the NFL. But right now doesn't matter. By next off-season at the latest, the following QBs are likely to either sign extensions or restructure:

Dak Prescott
Jordan Love
Brock Purdy
Tua Tagavailoa
Trevor Lawrence
Josh Allen (likely restructure)
Patrick Mahomes (likely restructure)

All of the above are almost certain to make more than Goff before the 2025 season. That's the nature of the QB market. So Goff will be somewhere around 9th in average salary, which is close to where people rank him.

In addition, the QBs of 3 of the Lions top competitors (Prescott, Love, Purdy) are all going to surpass Goff.

 

[BobbyLayne]

In addition, the QBs of 3 of the Lions top competitors (Prescott, Love, Purdy) are all going to surpass Goff.

Looking more & more like Jerruh may be reversing the field on his earlier indications that he would be ponying up (again). Last season's stellar year drove up Prescott's price considerably, but JJ seemed unconcerned when he said in mid-December

"I think there are a handful or more of quarterbacks playing who haven't won a Super Bowl that will win a Super Bowl.I think Dak is one of them. I'm firm there. He's one of the ones who can."

His current 4-year $160M deal has a no-cut clause, as well as the stipulation the team cannot franchise tag him. Dog gone, that doesn't seem fiscally responsible handcuffing yourself like that, but I digress. Because they waited too long to give Dak, CeeDee and Micah LT deals, they'll almost certainly lose ILB Eric Kendricks, QB Cooper Rush (bc they ain't paying 3 QBs $70M - that 3D Trey Lance maneuver sealed his fate anyway - and most importantly, G Zach Martin.

Every day that passes, Prescott's price goes up. They're already paying him 21.7% of their Cap, and the Jared Goff signing only exacerbates the situation. The looming resigning of their 3 cornerstone players no doubt explains why the Cowboys had such a dismal FA period. Jones can say "It's a priority. We want Dak" to the press all he wants, that doesn't change the fact Dallas has made some colossal goofs trying to navigate the difficult task of paying your own core players.

The longer you wait, the deeper the self-inflicted cuts become.

Doesn't matter, somebody will make Dak the highest paid QB in league history before the 2025 season.

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Full breakdown on Goff's new extension came out while we were all salivating over schedule matchups. A reminder of what we knew yesterday:

contract details per @AlbertBreer

• $73 million dollar signing bonus
• $125 million over the first two years
• $165 million over the first three years
• $57 million in 2028 (option year)
• MASSIVE signing bonus. $73 million, which is the biggest in NFL history

still won't see all the details for another day or two, but I think this is about right:

• front loaded - $73M due at signing, will be spread over 5 years (max allowed by CBA) beginning this year. 73/5 = $14.6M per year prorated signing bonus
• 2024 Cap Hit was $32.3M, that will go up to $46.9M
• Breer says 125 after two years so (125-73) = 52M / 26M Salary + roster bonus + any other bonuses (*probably will be $5M annual roster bonus)
• 2025 Cap Hit = $40.6M
• 2026 Cap Hit = $40.6M
• Breer says 165 after two years so (165-73-52) = 40M Salary + roster bonus + any other bonuses Y3
• 2027 Cap Hit = $54.6M (simple restructure is always on the table - see next post)
• 2028 is an option year with no GTD, 57-14.6 = $43.4M Salary + roster bonus + any other bonuses Y4
• 2028 Cap Hit = $57M (remember, it's a club option year)
• 2029 - Out of contract but if they add a Void Year they could keep 2024 at $32.3M and account for the last $14.6M here for Cap purposes

The real contract is 3yr 165M - by front loading it with the big cash outlay now, they're keeping the Cap Hit at a reasonable number for the next 3 years.

versus actual details:

1. Signing bonus: $73 million.
2. 2024 base salary: $2.611 million, fully guaranteed.
(under his existing contract he was due a salary of $22.6M, lowered that by ~ $20M)
3. 2025 base salary: $18 million, fully guaranteed.
4. 2026 base salary: $55 million, $20 million of which is fully guaranteed at signing and $35 million of which becomes fully guaranteed in 2025.
5. 2027 base salary: $50 million, $22 million of which is guaranteed for injury at signing.
6. Of that amount, $18 million becomes fully guaranteed by 2026. The remaining $4 million becomes fully guaranteed by 2027.
7. 2028 offseason roster bonus: $7 million.
8. 2028 base salary: $39 million.
9. 2028 escalator: $4 million.

The five-year deal pays out $235.61 million, an average of $47.122 million per year. He gets $75.611 million this year, $18 million in 2025, $55 million in 2026, $40 million in 2027, and $47 million in 2028.

In terms of the fully guaranteed money, it's $113.611 million at signing, and the practical guarantee bumps it up to $148.611 million.

The fourth year of the deal, which hits in 2028, is an option year and $18 million of that will be fully guaranteed by the start of 2027.

The five-year deal pays out $235.61 million, an average of $47.122 million per year.

He gets $75.611 million this year, $18 million in 2025, $55 million in 2026, $40 million in 2027, and $47 million in 2028.

Current Contract (Extension, signed 2024)​

Year	Age	Base Salary	Prorated Signing Bonus	Roster Bonus	Workout Bonus		Guaranteed Salary		Cap Number	Cap %	Dead Money	Effect of Simple Restructure
2024	30	$2,611,832	$19,600,000	$5,000,000	$0		$7,611,832		$27,211,832	10.6%	$123,611,832	$5,121,466
2025	31	$18,000,000	$14,600,000	$0	$0		$18,000,000		$32,600,000	12.5%	$96,400,000	$12,558,750
2026	32	$55,000,000	$14,600,000	$0	$0		$20,000,000		$69,600,000	24.5%	$63,800,000	$35,800,000
2027	33	$40,000,000	$14,600,000	$0	$0		$0		$54,600,000	17.4%	$29,200,000	$19,327.500
2028	34	$39,000,000	$14,600,000	$7,000,000	$1,000,000		$0		$61,600,000	--	$14,600,000	$0
Total		$154,611,832	$78,000,000	$12,000,000	$1,000,000		$45,611,832		$245,611,832

The dead money figures (column 10) are pre-June 1 cut; the post-June 1 DM:

• 65.2M
• 52.6M
• 34.6M
• 14.6M
• 14.6M

Column 11 is the max Cap Savings they can create by lowering the base & converting (e.g., paying out) it to a signing bonus to be spread out over the remaining years.

EDIT: There are no void years in the extension, but they'll have the option to add them later if they wanted to spread out any simple restructure they potentially execute down the road.

 

[elguapo07]

Currently 35/1 to win ‘24 MVP.

 

[jon_mx]

The 2024 and 2025 cap hit numbers are great. I hope they restructure before 2026, $70 million will squeeze some good players off the roster.

 

[elguapo07]

Currently 35/1 to win ‘24 MVP.

QB on a top 5 scoring team with a chance to have best record in NFC = QB in the MVP convo.

A few more RZ TD passes instead of rushing TDs could get him close to 4500/40.

 

[BobbyLayne]

The 2024 and 2025 cap hit numbers are great. I hope they restructure before 2026, $70 million will squeeze some good players off the roster.

Can kick $35.8M down the road with a simple restructure*, if needed. If there is one area I am not concerned with it’s the Salary Cap. Holmes is a judicious spender - long term deals for the core group they’ve drafted, 1-2 year FA deals to plug holes short term. If you pay attention Mike Disner gets promoted every year (& there are always rumors of interest fm other franchises.)

One of the best capologists around. Just another example of how under Sheila Hamp, excellence has become normative in Allen Park.

*converting base to signing bonus doesn’t require player consent; they get the salary on the same day, the team gets to spread it out over the remaining term ( or 5 years if they tack on void years.) the converted amount becomes new cap space. there is always a way to make it work if you structure it properly on the front end.

 

[Faust]

Lions QB Jared Goff: 'Security,' no-trade clause were factors in new contract extension

 

[BobbyLayne]

PFF Sam Monson - What does the Goff contract say about the state of the Detroit Lions?

Pretty good nuanced view IMO. Instead of viewing it as good/bad or black/white, it’s complicated.

“Last year was probably a career year for him, but even then he had that stretch in the middle where he was awful for 3-4 games. The rest of the season he played like an All Pro. Would he go somewhere else and thrive? No one knows, but what we do know is they’ve got this great partnership between him and Ben Johnson.

Patrick Mahomes is amazing. What is everyone else? We go back and forth, we’re all over the place with Dak Prescott or Josh Allen. But we see that for everyone not named Mahomes, supporting cast really matters. And Goff has a great cast around him.”

Also talks about Hendon Hooker and why that is not a realistic option for them, at least for right now.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Let's go

watch his base (helmet stripe)

1. Right Flat - nope
2. Right Stick - no
3. shifts to the In Breaker down the hash - not ready yet
4. fourth option (Left Slant? offscreen) - he has now rotated almost 90 degrees, hips, feet and helmet are looking left, as he winds up the low zone dropper is headed that way
5. In Breaker right down the hash while facing 45 degrees left of center - throw goes right over where the low dropper was a moment ago

does stuff like this every week. casuals don't realize how much Jared has grown.

 

[JohnnyU]

Let's go

watch his base (helmet stripe)

1. Right Flat - nope
2. Right Stick - no
3. shifts to the In Breaker down the hash - not ready yet
4. fourth option (Left Slant? offscreen) - he has now rotated almost 90 degrees, hips, feet and helmet are looking left, as he winds up the low zone dropper is headed that way
5. In Breaker right down the hash while facing 45 degrees left of center - throw goes right over where the low dropper was a moment ago

does stuff like this every week. casuals don't realize how much Jared has grown.

Football Math requires Tylenol.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Let's go

watch his base (helmet stripe)

1. Right Flat - nope
2. Right Stick - no
3. shifts to the In Breaker down the hash - not ready yet
4. fourth option (Left Slant? offscreen) - he has now rotated almost 90 degrees, hips, feet and helmet are looking left, as he winds up the low zone dropper is headed that way
5. In Breaker right down the hash while facing 45 degrees left of center - throw goes right over where the low dropper was a moment ago

does stuff like this every week. casuals don't realize how much Jared has grown.

Football Math requires Tylenol.

No maths. It's a 30 second film study.

I believe in you, Johnny - you can do it.

 

[jon_mx]

Brodric Martin has really put in the work in the off season and has eliminated a lot of fat. Can Martin make that leap similar to what Alim did last year?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Brodric Martin has really put in the work in the off season and has eliminated a lot of fat. Can Martin make that leap similar to what Alim did last year?

Sir, this is a Wendy's

what thread is this?

 

[markrc99]

"4. fourth option (Left Slant? offscreen) - he has now rotated almost 90 degrees, hips, feet and helmet are looking left, as he winds up the low zone dropper is headed that way"

It was Reynolds open on a hook or stick route.

Sourced below this same play beginning at 3:59 into the video. At 4:02 the camera angle changes to the sideline shot, note the 3-WR bunch to the top of the screen. Goff's front side options are backups TE Brock Wright & Craig Reynolds. Given the situation, I have these two as look-offs on the pre snap. Neither of them gets an eye back before Goff moves on. As he shifts left note that Josh Reynolds, Goff's "4th read" is wide open & facing his QB.

With the replay back behind center & after Goff takes the snap & looks right, the ILB defending that side & the deep safety both shift that way. Hard to imagine that Tampa would ideally have four cover personnel committed to Wright & Reynolds. Or three & a deep safety accomplishing nothing. At 4:18 Reynolds is hard to ignore, but St. Brown uncovers as well. Besides being outnumbered to the 3-WR side, Tampa doesn't disrupt the timing of or reroute any receiver. The reception isn't contested & no one times their arrival with the catch. Grade $h!++y.

Goff gets the most of the play, but he's got an easy two-way go & ample time.

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[Ilov80s]

Guys, please stop. Lets look ahead.

 

[BobbyLayne]

"4. fourth option (Left Slant? offscreen) - he has now rotated almost 90 degrees, hips, feet and helmet are looking left, as he winds up the low zone dropper is headed that way"

It was Reynolds open on a hook or stick route.

Sourced below this same play beginning at 3:59 into the video. At 4:02 the camera angle changes to the sideline shot, note the 3-WR bunch to the top of the screen. Goff's front side options are backups TE Brock Wright & Craig Reynolds. Given the situation, I have these two as look-offs on the pre snap. Neither of them gets an eye back before Goff moves on. As he shifts left note that Josh Reynolds, Goff's "4th read" is wide open & facing his QB.

With the replay back behind center & after Goff takes the snap & looks right, the ILB defending that side & the deep safety both shift that way. Hard to imagine that Tampa would ideally have four cover personnel committed to Wright & Reynolds. Or three & a deep safety accomplishing nothing. At 4:18 Reynolds is hard to ignore, but St. Brown uncovers as well. Besides being outnumbered to the 3-WR side, Tampa doesn't disrupt the timing of or reroute any receiver. The reception isn't contested & no one times their arrival with the catch. Grade $h!++y.

Goff gets the most of the play, but he's got an easy two-way go & ample time.

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Context matters. You don't get that with highlights; I have the game on DVR.

On 2nd and 9, Goff hits Laporta on a short route to the left, leaving 3rd & 4.. The Lions hurry to the line, and snap it with 24 seconds on the 25 second play clock. The Bucs pass defense is a hot mess bc the Lions called two plays and didn't allow any substitutions.

In that situation backup Craig Reynolds was the de facto starter actually. Gibbs was out for the week, and Monty was hurt early in the 3rd (ribs - would miss the next 2 games.) Devine Ozigbo had been called up from the PS with Jah out and was getting snaps/touches.

Craig Reynolds was def the primary - he goes out into the flat and starts looking back immediately. I've seen this before from Ben Johnson, they go uptempo and stress the defense.

"Goff's front side options are backups TE Brock Wright & Craig Reynolds. Given the situation, I have these two as look-offs on the pre snap." Interesting take. Craig scored a playoff touchdown on 4th down v the Bucs in the Divisional Round. Brock had a big 29 yard catch in that game. They've used him on seam routes, he won the Jets game by scoring on a 51 yarder with 2 minutes left. You may not think they're guys Ben Johnson would target in a crucial situation but that's a core tenet of their playcalling - literally anyone can end up with the ball. They'll run on 3rd and 8 (and get it.)

Anyway, appreciate you taking the time to chime in with your Enjoy your weekend.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Lets look ahead.

Per BL's nicely formatted chart, Goff has a current cap hit of 10.6% in 2024 and 12.5% in 2025. After that they will have to restructure or reconsider, but for the next 2 years he is very affordable cap wise.

 

[Ilov80s]

Lets look ahead.

Per BL's nicely formatted chart, Goff has a current cap hit of 10.6% in 2024 and 12.5% in 2025. After that they will have to restructure or reconsider, but for the next 2 years he is very affordable cap wise.

If he’s playing well still I'm sure both sides would be willing to extend

 

[markrc99]

Context matters. You don't get that with highlights; I have the game on DVR. On 2nd and 9, Goff hits Laporta on a short route to the left, leaving 3rd & 4.. The Lions hurry to the line, and snap it with 24 seconds on the 25 second play clock. The Bucs pass defense is a hot mess bc the Lions called two plays and didn't allow any substitutions. In that situation backup Craig Reynolds was the de facto starter actually. Gibbs was out for the week, and Monty was hurt early in the 3rd (ribs - would miss the next 2 games.) Devine Ozigbo had been called up from the PS with Jah out and was getting snaps/touches.

Craig Reynolds was def the primary - he goes out into the flat and starts looking back immediately. I've seen this before from Ben Johnson, they go uptempo and stress the defense.

"Goff's front side options are backups TE Brock Wright & Craig Reynolds. Given the situation, I have these two as look-offs on the pre snap." Interesting take. Craig scored a playoff touchdown on 4th down v the Bucs in the Divisional Round. Brock had a big 29 yard catch in that game. They've used him on seam routes, he won the Jets game by scoring on a 51 yarder with 2 minutes left. You may not think they're guys Ben Johnson would target in a crucial situation but that's a core tenet of their playcalling - literally anyone can end up with the ball. They'll run on 3rd and 8 (and get it.)

Anyway, appreciate you taking the time to chime in with your Enjoy your weekend.

Oh okay, it's just that the 4th option you framed in the form of a question. Interesting how context mattered with respect to my assessment, but not for Waldman's.... Though he blacked out everything not Goff, with no consideration as to how poorly the play is defended. No mention of Josh Reynolds, the safer option being wide open. As well the amount of communique between Tampa defenders on the pre snap. Which lends itself to your point about Detroit hitting them with uptempo. Given that Detroit's in a good play & execute perfectly, coupled with your point, my belief is that it's something Ben Johnson found on tape.

I did not mean to suggest that because Craig Reynolds & Brock Wright are backups, they were never utilized or couldn't be the primary. It's that if St. Brown or Josh Reynolds is the primary & Goff's "progression" runs left to right, the play would NOT have worked at all. The success of this play is dependent upon Goff initially looking to his right. I think Ben Johnson knew that if he hit Tampa with this, they wouldn't roll coverage toward that 3-rec'r weak-side flood. Again, due to what Goff does, nor do they rotate help on the post snap. But it's deception, which works & gets both ILBs & that deep safety to flow right.

Ben Johnson with his timely call for this quick-hitter, excellent protection up front & the play poorly defended. All of which are major factors, as opposed to the entire focus placed on a single player. That's the main point I'm trying to make. How it was presented, how it was perceived I took exception to. St. Brown, Josh Reynolds & Laporta in that order, imo.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Waldman's

JT O'Sullivan aka The QB School

 

[BobbyLayne]

Context matters. You don't get that with highlights; I have the game on DVR. On 2nd and 9, Goff hits Laporta on a short route to the left, leaving 3rd & 4.. The Lions hurry to the line, and snap it with 24 seconds on the 25 second play clock. The Bucs pass defense is a hot mess bc the Lions called two plays and didn't allow any substitutions. In that situation backup Craig Reynolds was the de facto starter actually. Gibbs was out for the week, and Monty was hurt early in the 3rd (ribs - would miss the next 2 games.) Devine Ozigbo had been called up from the PS with Jah out and was getting snaps/touches.

Craig Reynolds was def the primary - he goes out into the flat and starts looking back immediately. I've seen this before from Ben Johnson, they go uptempo and stress the defense.

"Goff's front side options are backups TE Brock Wright & Craig Reynolds. Given the situation, I have these two as look-offs on the pre snap." Interesting take. Craig scored a playoff touchdown on 4th down v the Bucs in the Divisional Round. Brock had a big 29 yard catch in that game. They've used him on seam routes, he won the Jets game by scoring on a 51 yarder with 2 minutes left. You may not think they're guys Ben Johnson would target in a crucial situation but that's a core tenet of their playcalling - literally anyone can end up with the ball. They'll run on 3rd and 8 (and get it.)

Anyway, appreciate you taking the time to chime in with your Enjoy your weekend.

Oh okay, it's just that the 4th option you framed in the form of a question. Interesting how context mattered with respect to my assessment, but not for Waldman's.... Though he blacked out everything not Goff, with no consideration as to how poorly the play is defended. No mention of Josh Reynolds, the safer option being wide open. As well the amount of communique between Tampa defenders on the pre snap. Which lends itself to your point about Detroit hitting them with uptempo. Given that Detroit's in a good play & execute perfectly, coupled with your point, my belief is that it's something Ben Johnson found on tape.

I did not mean to suggest that because Craig Reynolds & Brock Wright are backups, they were never utilized or couldn't be the primary. It's that if St. Brown or Josh Reynolds is the primary & Goff's "progression" runs left to right, the play would NOT have worked at all. The success of this play is dependent upon Goff initially looking to his right. I think Ben Johnson knew that if he hit Tampa with this, they wouldn't roll coverage toward that 3-rec'r weak-side flood. Again, due to what Goff does, nor do they rotate help on the post snap. But it's deception, which works & gets both ILBs & that deep safety to flow right.

Ben Johnson with his timely call for this quick-hitter, excellent protection up front & the play poorly defended. All of which are major factors, as opposed to the entire focus placed on a single player. That's the main point I'm trying to make. How it was presented, how it was perceived I took exception to. St. Brown, Josh Reynolds & Laporta in that order, imo.

He looks to the right bc if Craig is uncovered he's the first read.

WRT the bolded, it sure seems like any success Goff has is bc of what everyone else does, he's just a byproduct.

Which is not the case - throwing away from where his body was pointed, adjusting his arm angle, committed to the throw BEFORE Davie (ILB) has moved. You're acting like all that stuff is just 1+1 = 2.

 

[Da Guru]

I’m sorry, but that contract is ridiculous, especially for a one-dimensional QB who doesn’t throw a good deep ball. You have to be more fiscally responsible than that.
Giving Jared Goff a 4-year extension for that kind of money is suicide. They couldn’t of handled it any worse, IMO.

Just when it looked like they were turning the corner, too.

There is only one dimension in the NFL and that is winning.

'Every QB that get a new deal and does not win a Superbowl is team suicide. Dak had been killing the Cowboys for years and will do it again soon. Josh Allen has not won squat, Cousins has milked teams for tens of millions with no results. Soon Tua and Lawrence will do the same.

I don`t agree with the so called "Market price" for all QBs but list goes on, just the nature of the game. Goff is the Lions QB, and with Goff at QB the Lions have success that no Lions QB has been able to match in decades. So he had all the leverage.

 

[Ilov80s]

I’m sorry, but that contract is ridiculous, especially for a one-dimensional QB who doesn’t throw a good deep ball. You have to be more fiscally responsible than that.
Giving Jared Goff a 4-year extension for that kind of money is suicide. They couldn’t of handled it any worse, IMO.

Just when it looked like they were turning the corner, too.

There is only one dimension in the NFL and that is winning.

'Every QB that get a new deal and does not win a Superbowl is team suicide. Dak had been killing the Cowboys for years and will do it again soon. Josh Allen has not won squat, Cousins has milked teams for tens of millions with no results. Soon Tua and Lawrence will do the same.

I don`t agree with the so called "Market price" for all QBs but list goes on, just the nature of the game. Goff is the Lions QB, and with Goff at QB the Lions have success that no Lions QB has been able to match in decades. So he had all the leverage.

Calling Josh Allen team suicide is wild. The fans love him, he is making the team a ton of money. Vikings had a great playoff runs with Cousins and packed the stadium. Even with out mid Lawrence has been, he got fans excited for the team, gave them a face for the fans and sells merchandise.

 

[jon_mx]

In Detroits system, Goff is a $45 to $50 million QB. Goff is elite in his one dimensional game, the quick short to mid-range passes. The Lions offense with Goff was far better than KCs offense with Mahomes....58 TDs vs. 39 TDs. Goff was not the reason the Lions fell short of the SB. The Lions have arguably the best offense in the NFL and Goff runs it perfectly.

It is not like all great QB's must be great scramblers who make off-schedule throws. There are lots of different ways to consistently move the football.

 

[King of the Jungle]

In Detroits system, Goff is a $45 to $50 million QB. Goff is elite in his one dimensional game, the quick short to mid-range passes. The Lions offense with Goff was far better than KCs offense with Mahomes....68 TDs vs. 39 TDs. Goff was not the reason the Lions fell short of the SB. The Lions have arguably the best offense in the NFL and Goff runs it perfectly.

It is not like all great QB's must be great scramblers who make off-schedule throws. There are lots of different ways to consistently move the football.

Agreed. People can get caught up on whatever they want to. Bottom line he is our best chance at success right now and the short term. We are not in position to miss this window of a chance to try to bring home the trophy. Would I rather have a Mahomes? Yes, but unfortunately they do not grow on trees and it would be a big dice roll to see if we could find someone as competent as Goff to run the show right now.

 

[Da Guru]

I’m sorry, but that contract is ridiculous, especially for a one-dimensional QB who doesn’t throw a good deep ball. You have to be more fiscally responsible than that.
Giving Jared Goff a 4-year extension for that kind of money is suicide. They couldn’t of handled it any worse, IMO.

Just when it looked like they were turning the corner, too.

There is only one dimension in the NFL and that is winning.

'Every QB that get a new deal and does not win a Superbowl is team suicide. Dak had been killing the Cowboys for years and will do it again soon. Josh Allen has not won squat, Cousins has milked teams for tens of millions with no results. Soon Tua and Lawrence will do the same.

I don`t agree with the so called "Market price" for all QBs but list goes on, just the nature of the game. Goff is the Lions QB, and with Goff at QB the Lions have success that no Lions QB has been able to match in decades. So he had all the leverage.

Calling Josh Allen team suicide is wild. The fans love him, he is making the team a ton of money. Vikings had a great playoff runs with Cousins and packed the stadium. Even with out mid Lawrence has been, he got fans excited for the team, gave them a face for the fans and sells merchandise.

I am going by Football Jones theory.