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Lots of QBs are viewed as stars.
Ok I started a poll so we can let this thread dieI like Wentz.
I'm not the bad guy, LOL.
I'm just realistic.
I agree.
Feel like your vision is clouded slightly by silver and blue....but I'd be pretty happy to have stolen Dak for a fourth if I were a Cowboys fan.If being responsible for 21 TDs (16 through the air & 5 on the ground) is coming back to earth, I'll take it.
Wentz has 25 passing TDs (none on the ground) & hasn't faced near the adversity Dak has this season. You guys have a good OL & a good running game, too. Wentz is the benefit of both just like Dak is when Tyrone & Zeke are in there. When Wentz didn't have the protection he does now & as good of a running game (like last season), he struggled.
The difference between Wentz & Dak right now is fairly negligible & there's no way to determine who'll be the better long-term QB at this point. Nitpicking, Dak is definitely more accurate (forgot who it was, but even one of your coaches said Dak was the most accurate young passer he's ever seen). Dak is also a stronger runner which especially helps around the GL. Intangibles are too close to call right now.
Talking strictly NFL prospect, Dak has the edge due to being more accurate & being a stronger runner. We're talking about one of the biggest draft steals of all time. As far as FF, I prefer Wentz ever so slightly, but that's simply due to situation. I think you guys are going to utilize the pass more than we do over the long-haul because of Zeke.
Bottom line, each of us should feel very fortunate.
Last night I give credit where credit is due.....the Eagles D. They were great. Constantly getting pressure on Dak with 4 guys, plus their secondary is one of the best in the league. I expected Dak to struggle last night (but that bad).
With Lee in there, Eagles probably would not have run as effectively. In games with Lee during his career, Cowboys give up 3.5 ypc. Without him, it's 5.5.
Yeah, Wentz is a very good scrambler & is fairly elusive as a runner, but Dak's edge there comes from being much more dangerous around the GL. Really tough to defend.
Dak Prescott
Wentz' size and strength catch defenders by surprise because he appears to be tall and lanky. Prescott has thick thighs and looks more powerful to the eye. Wentz is a strong and tough mother-blanker. In fact, I cringe a lot of times when he decides to lower a shoulder to blast an oncoming safety. I really hope he smartens up in that regard. He did make a nice choice with that slide in the first half after gaining a first down.
Alot of weak excuses, Dallas has just as good of a receiving corp and their Oline went from best the league has seen in years to still good. The trend isn't good for Dak.
The best qb in football? Did Brady and Rodgers and Brees and some others retire?
You could have stopped after your first two sentences. Because at that point, you named the quarterbacks who are better than Wentz at this point. Not suire about 2017 Brees though. But I'll give it to him based on lifetime achievement.
Yeah, MVPs go to guys in Wnetz's position. Like Ryan last year. I don't have any issue saying he's a leader in that race. I'm not a Seahawks fan but I'd sayWilson is the other choice in that race. I don't think the Hawks could win 3-4 games without him as they are currently.JuniorNB said:
Wow. You really think our receiving corps is good overall?GoBirds said:
Not talking about height, LOLAmused to Death said:
It baffles me people believe Wentz is clearly the better prospect. That said, everyone has an opinion & that's ok.rjv said:
If you know me, you know I'm not a troll.JuniorNB said:
Agreed, I lose my mind when they call a designed run too. You've got an elite o-line and RBs who wreck ### inside the tackles, please protect that QB.JuniorNB said:
So close that 7 out of 8 general managers in the NFL chose Wentz. And the 8th was only because he didn't want it to be unanimous. LOL and did you check out the poll results from here? It's a landslide. They're not even in the same conversation buddy.
Yeah, I'd expect these results in a poll with Wentz' draft status & the Eagles record. Totally predictable & no surprise.
I agree Dak is a good QB but saying he will go down as one of the best draft pick of all time is really premature due to the fact this game alone showed he needs a RB of Zeks status to be serviceable
Servicable? That's a backhanded compliment, LOL.
For the record, the coach said he was the most accurate passer 'on the run' that he's seen. Not the most accurate. Also, Prescott has absolutely shown he needs an elite back AND line to be proficient.. 0 TDs and 4 turnover is Jamarcus Russell-like.
To be fair, you have to give him more than a sample of 2 games to make this type of conclusion.
I realize that. I've stated many times that I think Prescott has a bright future. I'm just making sure the troll understands that no one is buying what he's desperately trying to sell.
Agree with the beginning, but he is definitely in a different tier than Stafford and Goff. The thing that is not necessarily in the stats is that he just has such tremendous poise, game management, and real-time mental processing and pattern recognition. And he has had that since the first game he stepped on the field. The Eagles have given him a great environment to nurture and develop his talent, for sure, but he his in-game awareness is really outstanding.Shutout said:
Ok I can see this conversation is going nowhere. You have your opinion, even if there is zero facts to back it up, and we have ours. Have fun on your world?
As much as I love Wentz, and believe he will soon belong in these types of conversations, it's a stretch to consider him top 3 or 4 just yet. A guy who gets left out of this conversation far too often and yet absolutely deserves to be considered top 3 is Matt Stafford.
I'd have him around 7 or 8. He's been at it too long without really leading his team anywhere. I appreciate his talent, but can't put him near the very top.
He's had some pretty sub-par teams and club leadership around him too. Look at how many fourth qtr come-backs he's had and his overall numbers. I understand your argument, but it's crazy to leave him out of the conversation altogether
You're right in the first part, I guess I am thinking about it more like which guy would I most want on my team, and not necessarily current total skill level/accomplishments. And I just think that the intangibles that Wentz shows are greater than what I have ever seen from Stafford.
It's clear that FJ has no sense of this at all because he hasn't watched him play except against Dallas. His take is patently absurd to anyone who has watched Wentz play regularly.
I get that. He's certainly more likable and seems to have elite leadership qualities. Stafford has an elite arm though, and has shown an ability to perform under extreme pressure.
stafford has also been in the league for years and hasn't done squat in terms of winning games. had his most prolific years with a hall of fame WR.
On the run, in the pocket, my point is Dak is a naturally more accurate paper. Much better release than Wentz. Not even close, although, Wentz has tightened it up slightly. Also, being a much bigger threat around the GL as a runner is huge in today's NFL.
