I'd guess most will agree that's awfully low for Hockenson.16 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (not involved)
Hockenson and 4.12
for
1.11 and 3.08
One thing I usually don't post is the complications of these leagues like Hockenson is on a 1 year contract and all that goes into that. Franchising options / RFA ect.I'd guess most will agree that's awfully low for Hockenson.16 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (not involved)
Hockenson and 4.12
for
1.11 and 3.08
Lamb was getting a lot of negative press at that time. I was high on him but dropped from 6 to 8 to get. That owner took Juedy 1st at the 6. Jefferson dropped to 13 and was my pick. Never felt I had to move up at all. Ruggs went at 9. Now not perfect as took Reagor at 14. Did get Pittman at 18 and Aiyuck at 23 that year also. But traded both for Dobbins and future 1st.interesting that Higgins was 21 and than it went Shenault, Mims, Claypool, Golden Gandyouch. That's gotta sting.Lamb, Jeudy, REAGOR then Jefferson and it cost me 3 shares of Jefferson as I took Reagor every time.
Interesting.. I’d easily pay that for TJ Hock but I would not sell him for that16 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (not involved)
Hockenson and 4.12
for
1.11 and 3.08
Seems quite light for SF or not getting the 1.2.12 team SF Best Ball Dynasty PPR League
Team A gets: 1.2, 4.2 pick
Team B gets: Najee Harris, 1.7, 2025 2nd
I agree, guy getting 1.2 got a steal. I inquired about the 1.2 but was told it would cost me AJB and 2025 1st. I'd say he ended up settling for far less...Seems quite light for SF or not getting the 1.2.12 team SF Best Ball Dynasty PPR League
Team A gets: 1.2, 4.2 pick
Team B gets: Najee Harris, 1.7, 2025 2nd
Wow...Team A easily...that is really selling yourself short dealing the 1.2 in a SF league where you are now guaranteed either Caleb, Daniels or MJH...really don't understand the thinking here...1.7 is a nice piece and while Najee is a solid RB that any team would want he is absolutely not the type of player to be targeting in this type of deal or good enough to be the second piece...the fact that the 2025 is a #2 and not a #1 is a big miss...and while it really doesn't matter it bothers me that the 4.2 was even included...was the guy getting the 1.2 gonna walk away if it wasn't included?12 team SF Best Ball Dynasty PPR League
Team A gets: 1.2, 4.2 pick
Team B gets: Najee Harris, 1.7, 2025 2nd
I feel like the data value of any trade made by @Dez is worth about 26 trades made by normal players.16 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB IDP league
I received
Marvin Harrison Jr !!! (He was taken 1.01)
3.04
3.07
I gave up
Brock Bowers (I drafted him this morning at 1.04)
2.04
4.04
My 2025 1st round pick
It was expensive but I really wanted Harrison in 1 of my 5 huddle leagues (these are leagues with contracts)
Yes, it is a lot to give up for MHJ, but here's how I see it:16 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB IDP league
I received
Marvin Harrison Jr !!! (He was taken 1.01)
3.04
3.07
I gave up
Brock Bowers (I drafted him this morning at 1.04)
2.04
4.04
My 2025 1st round pick
It was expensive but I really wanted Harrison in 1 of my 5 huddle leagues (these are leagues with contracts)
It was even more expensive considering his offer to me for Bowers after I took him at 4 if you factor that in.
He offered me Zay Flowers, 1.11 and 1.15 (and I know I could flipped the 1.15 for a future 1st) for Bowers
So in essence I gave up Zay, 1.11, 1.15, 2.04, 4.04 and my future 1st for Harrison and 3.04 and 3.07!!!!!!
Brian Thomas fell to pick 10 I would have taken Ladd at 11 if I had that pick so you can insert Ladd in place of Pick 11Yes, it is a lot to give up for MHJ, but here's how I see it:16 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB IDP league
I received
Marvin Harrison Jr !!! (He was taken 1.01)
3.04
3.07
I gave up
Brock Bowers (I drafted him this morning at 1.04)
2.04
4.04
My 2025 1st round pick
It was expensive but I really wanted Harrison in 1 of my 5 huddle leagues (these are leagues with contracts)
It was even more expensive considering his offer to me for Bowers after I took him at 4 if you factor that in.
He offered me Zay Flowers, 1.11 and 1.15 (and I know I could flipped the 1.15 for a future 1st) for Bowers
So in essence I gave up Zay, 1.11, 1.15, 2.04, 4.04 and my future 1st for Harrison and 3.04 and 3.07!!!!!!
I have a GIGANTIC tier break at 1.10. In essence I only have 10 dudes on this year's draft list with a 1st round grade. Moving up with the 1.11 and 1.15 assets is a no brainer. 2.04 and 4.04 probably eat into your IDP assets, but as long as you're solid there, I don't see it as super consequential...besides, you have 3.04 and 3.07 to add that kind of depth. Selling future 1sts is always a risk, but the chance to get an asset like MHJ is probably worth the risk. As for Zay Flowers, I'm not big on many of the little WRs. With a 17 game season, it's hard for me to imagine they don't get dinged up often. That and I'm a believer in Tez Walker. He's bigger, stronger, faster, has a better catch radius and hands. Ironically, I think the biggest thing holding Walker back in college was Drake Maye.
TL/DR: In a 16 team league take your shot, even if it seems like a lot of assets to give up.
Sigh.
12 team SF PPR start 10, no K, no D/ST
My QB room was ARich, Fields, Minshew. It’s less than ideal with Fields situation.
otherwise a fairly strong roster of Bijan, ETN, Monty, ARSB, AJB, Higgins, Pitts & some good depth.
I gave: 2025 1st, likely late (not my own)
I rec’d: Will Levis+Antonio Gibson
I don’t love it. I’m very much hoping 2 of Levis, Minshew, Fields are starters next year so I can flip them.
But for this year at least I may have addressed a need. I’m really starting to hate SF.
Yeah, my challenges there arehaving Minshew and Fields I would think it's time to talk to the Wilson and O'Connell Owners to see if you can figure something out there...by the way this deal is exactly why I love SF.
I'm really starting to like Levis' chances at being a top 15 QB this season. That level of production (or better) is really what you're looking for in your superflex QB. Plus he has youth upside and a decent team around him. Given the current lack of QB prospects in the 2025 draft, I'd do this all day assuming need for a 2nd QB.Sigh.
12 team SF PPR start 10, no K, no D/ST
My QB room was ARich, Fields, Minshew. It’s less than ideal with Fields situation.
otherwise a fairly strong roster of Bijan, ETN, Monty, ARSB, AJB, Higgins, Pitts & some good depth.
I gave: 2025 1st, likely late (not my own)
I rec’d: Will Levis+Antonio Gibson
I don’t love it. I’m very much hoping 2 of Levis, Minshew, Fields are starters next year so I can flip them.
But for this year at least I may have addressed a need. I’m really starting to hate SF.
Even if Minshew is the guy this year, no guarantee for 2025. And Fields is dicey as well. So yeah, Levis is my QB2 now.I'm really starting to like Levis' chances at being a top 15 QB this season. That level of production (or better) is really what you're looking for in your superflex QB. Plus he has youth upside and a decent team around him. Given the current lack of QB prospects in the 2025 draft, I'd do this all day assuming need for a 2nd QB.Sigh.
12 team SF PPR start 10, no K, no D/ST
My QB room was ARich, Fields, Minshew. It’s less than ideal with Fields situation.
otherwise a fairly strong roster of Bijan, ETN, Monty, ARSB, AJB, Higgins, Pitts & some good depth.
I gave: 2025 1st, likely late (not my own)
I rec’d: Will Levis+Antonio Gibson
I don’t love it. I’m very much hoping 2 of Levis, Minshew, Fields are starters next year so I can flip them.
But for this year at least I may have addressed a need. I’m really starting to hate SF.
I think the shark move is to keep both Fields and Minshew on the roster (assuming you have the bench space). Both of their values will either go to zero (from near zero) or skyrocket. Both have a pretty clear path to starter jobs and both are decent talents in different ways.Yeah, my challenges there arehaving Minshew and Fields I would think it's time to talk to the Wilson and O'Connell Owners to see if you can figure something out there...by the way this deal is exactly why I love SF.
• I paid too much for Fields to sell that low. Yeah, I know, sunk cost fallacy, but I feel like there’s an enough chance he becomes long-term starter in PIT to hold rather than take a bath.
• the AOC shareholder is convinced that AOC is starting. Which, in his eyes, makes Minshew worth a 4th (what he offered me). My opinion is the Raiders gave Minshew $15M guaranteed and he’s going to start. So we’re at an impasse there.
Yep - that’s the plan for sure. Then flip for 1sts like I paid with Levis to the QB starved teams.I think the shark move is to keep both Fields and Minshew on the roster (assuming you have the bench space). Both of their values will either go to zero (from near zero) or skyrocket. Both have a pretty clear path to starter jobs and both are decent talents in different ways.Yeah, my challenges there arehaving Minshew and Fields I would think it's time to talk to the Wilson and O'Connell Owners to see if you can figure something out there...by the way this deal is exactly why I love SF.
• I paid too much for Fields to sell that low. Yeah, I know, sunk cost fallacy, but I feel like there’s an enough chance he becomes long-term starter in PIT to hold rather than take a bath.
• the AOC shareholder is convinced that AOC is starting. Which, in his eyes, makes Minshew worth a 4th (what he offered me). My opinion is the Raiders gave Minshew $15M guaranteed and he’s going to start. So we’re at an impasse there.
What's the buy in for this league? Free?FFPC 1qb - had 29 players after the draft and did some consolidating
Gave
Freiermuth,Pat
Ferguson, Jake
Tracy, Tyrone
Got
Kincaid, Dalton
2nd deal with same owner
Gave
Kirk, Christian
McConkey, Ladd
Got
London, Drake
WRs include
Nacua, London, Metcalf, Waddle, Nico, Rashee Rice
Ja'Lynn Polk, Roman Wilson and Marvin Mims (haven't given up on Mims yet!)
TEs include
Dalton Kincaid, Evan Engram
I like the guys I traded, but short roster is tuff and I don't think I have Kincaid or London on any of my other teams so there's that.
Yeah, my challenges there arehaving Minshew and Fields I would think it's time to talk to the Wilson and O'Connell Owners to see if you can figure something out there...by the way this deal is exactly why I love SF.
• I paid too much for Fields to sell that low. Yeah, I know, sunk cost fallacy, but I feel like there’s an enough chance he becomes long-term starter in PIT to hold rather than take a bath.
• the AOC shareholder is convinced that AOC is starting. Which, in his eyes, makes Minshew worth a 4th (what he offered me). My opinion is the Raiders gave Minshew $15M guaranteed and he’s going to start. So we’re at an impasse there.
At least until we know who’s starting in LV.
That’s a pretty good price both ways. I could see being on either side of this. If I’m win-now, MH2 would be a fine get for 1.07+1.09+2.0312 team PPR superflex
1.02
For
1.07
1.09
2.03
12 team PPR superflex
1.02
For
1.07
1.09
2.03
I’m rebuilding. My main assets right now are burrows, tee Higgins, puca, and mclarin.12 team PPR superflex
1.02
For
1.07
1.09
2.03
Roster construction trade...would have to look at both rosters to really get a handle on this but big picture 1.2 is getting either Caleb or MJH so he will be happy.
Once you put the players there, this might not look bad for the team getting three players here12 team PPR superflex
1.02
For
1.07
1.09
2.03
It’s tough because MH2 is potentially a dude you build a franchise around.I’m rebuilding. My main assets right now are burrows, tee Higgins, puca, and mclarin.12 team PPR superflex
1.02
For
1.07
1.09
2.03
Roster construction trade...would have to look at both rosters to really get a handle on this but big picture 1.2 is getting either Caleb or MJH so he will be happy.
That was my thought. I mean it’s mhj. But it could very well also be bowers, Odunze +It’s tough because MH2 is potentially a dude you build a franchise around.I’m rebuilding. My main assets right now are burrows, tee Higgins, puca, and mclarin.12 team PPR superflex
1.02
For
1.07
1.09
2.03
Roster construction trade...would have to look at both rosters to really get a handle on this but big picture 1.2 is getting either Caleb or MJH so he will be happy.
But then, we don’t yet know that & for a rebuild, those 3 picks are going to be very solid, especially this year with a deep draft class.
Look at @Dez post about picking WR1s.That was my thought. I mean it’s mhj. But it could very well also be bowers, Odunze +
No Marvin Harrison will not end up being Reagor. He could get injured and his career could end that way but there is no way in the world this guy is going to end up a bust on the field.Look at @Dez post about picking WR1s.That was my thought. I mean it’s mhj. But it could very well also be bowers, Odunze +
MH2 could end up being Reagor.
At least this way you get 3 shots at talent. If you hit on 2 of 3, you’re killing it.
It was just an example.No Marvin Harrison will not end up being Reagor. He could get injured and his career could end that way but there is no way in the world this guy is going to end up a bust on the field.Look at @Dez post about picking WR1s.That was my thought. I mean it’s mhj. But it could very well also be bowers, Odunze +
MH2 could end up being Reagor.
At least this way you get 3 shots at talent. If you hit on 2 of 3, you’re killing it.
This is a generational talent.
Not sure everyone agrees on the generational prospect label. I would honestly put him closer to Corey Davis than Calvin Johnson (coming out as a prospect and assuming most looked at Calvin as generational). I expect him to have a much better career than Davis (and think he is a better prospect), but as a prospect he is not generational through my amateur eyes.No Marvin Harrison will not end up being Reagor. He could get injured and his career could end that way but there is no way in the world this guy is going to end up a bust on the field.Look at @Dez post about picking WR1s.That was my thought. I mean it’s mhj. But it could very well also be bowers, Odunze +
MH2 could end up being Reagor.
At least this way you get 3 shots at talent. If you hit on 2 of 3, you’re killing it.
This is a generational talent.
So you think 1.07 1.09 and 2.03 isn’t enough? I’m IN A QUANDARY FELLASIt was just an example.No Marvin Harrison will not end up being Reagor. He could get injured and his career could end that way but there is no way in the world this guy is going to end up a bust on the field.Look at @Dez post about picking WR1s.That was my thought. I mean it’s mhj. But it could very well also be bowers, Odunze +
MH2 could end up being Reagor.
At least this way you get 3 shots at talent. If you hit on 2 of 3, you’re killing it.
This is a generational talent.
Also I agree - I tried to trade Tee & 2x future 1sts for 1.02 and got outbid.
I think it’s fair.So you think 1.07 1.09 and 2.03 isn’t enough? I’m IN A QUANDARY FELLASIt was just an example.No Marvin Harrison will not end up being Reagor. He could get injured and his career could end that way but there is no way in the world this guy is going to end up a bust on the field.Look at @Dez post about picking WR1s.That was my thought. I mean it’s mhj. But it could very well also be bowers, Odunze +
MH2 could end up being Reagor.
At least this way you get 3 shots at talent. If you hit on 2 of 3, you’re killing it.
This is a generational talent.
Also I agree - I tried to trade Tee & 2x future 1sts for 1.02 and got outbid.
That’s the ultimate 10 dimes for a dollar. I’d make that deal to get Benson or Worthy 100/100 times.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (made the trade with pick 12 on the clock with 2 guys I want that fell farther then they should have both Worthy and Benson on the board)
I gave up
3.13
5.01
two 2025 3rds
2025 4th
2025 5th
Tyler Conklin
I got
1.13
We have taxi squads up to 10 guys so you can find the next Puka with late picks but I rather take the bird in the hand and not go searching through the bushes
I expect Worthy to go at 1.12 so I am planning on getting Benson I am weak at RB anyway and loaded at WR. It is what it is.That’s the ultimate 10 dimes for a dollar. I’d make that deal to get Bowers or Worthy 100/100 times.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (made the trade with pick 12 on the clock with 2 guys I want that fell farther then they should have both Worthy and Benson on the board)
I gave up
3.13
5.01
two 2025 3rds
2025 4th
2025 5th
Tyler Conklin
I got
1.13
We have taxi squads up to 10 guys so you can find the next Puka with late picks but I rather take the bird in the hand and not go searching through the bushes
still seems like much better odds of a hit than spraying all those picks hoping for the next Puka.I expect Worthy to go at 1.12 so I am planning on getting Benson I am weak at RB anyway and loaded at WR. It is what it is.That’s the ultimate 10 dimes for a dollar. I’d make that deal to get Bowers or Worthy 100/100 times.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (made the trade with pick 12 on the clock with 2 guys I want that fell farther then they should have both Worthy and Benson on the board)
I gave up
3.13
5.01
two 2025 3rds
2025 4th
2025 5th
Tyler Conklin
I got
1.13
We have taxi squads up to 10 guys so you can find the next Puka with late picks but I rather take the bird in the hand and not go searching through the bushes
Ultimate Coinstar Kiosk trade….and I’d rather have Benson in most formats/teamsI expect Worthy to go at 1.12 so I am planning on getting Benson I am weak at RB anyway and loaded at WR. It is what it is.That’s the ultimate 10 dimes for a dollar. I’d make that deal to get Bowers or Worthy 100/100 times.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (made the trade with pick 12 on the clock with 2 guys I want that fell farther then they should have both Worthy and Benson on the board)
I gave up
3.13
5.01
two 2025 3rds
2025 4th
2025 5th
Tyler Conklin
I got
1.13
We have taxi squads up to 10 guys so you can find the next Puka with late picks but I rather take the bird in the hand and not go searching through the bushes
Yep that is my philosophy which is why I always do these kind of trades and never have any picks to find the next Pukastill seems like much better odds of a hit than spraying all those picks hoping for the next Puka.I expect Worthy to go at 1.12 so I am planning on getting Benson I am weak at RB anyway and loaded at WR. It is what it is.That’s the ultimate 10 dimes for a dollar. I’d make that deal to get Bowers or Worthy 100/100 times.14 team PPR 1.5 TE 1 QB (made the trade with pick 12 on the clock with 2 guys I want that fell farther then they should have both Worthy and Benson on the board)
I gave up
3.13
5.01
two 2025 3rds
2025 4th
2025 5th
Tyler Conklin
I got
1.13
We have taxi squads up to 10 guys so you can find the next Puka with late picks but I rather take the bird in the hand and not go searching through the bushes
True story: both 16 team leagues I landed Puka, I traded a scrubby player and/or future pick to get a 5.09 in one league, and a 5.02 in the other to select him.Yep that is my philosophy which is why I always do these kind of trades and never have any picks to find the next Puka
Overpaid? I don’t think so.I'm team A
A sends: Josh Palmer, Gabe Davis, Waddle, 2.2
Team B sends
1.5, Lamar Jackson
Basic 12 teamer, 2rb, 3 wr, te, 1 flex
Was tired of trotting out watson or rodgers at qb
Took Bowers with the 5. Had gotten Nabers at 1.2
Lamar, watson, rodgers
Pacheco, Breece hall, chubb, scrubs
Jefferson, puka, olave, devonta, nabers, Jameson, Quentin Johnson
Mcbride, Pitts, Bowers
May have overpaid.....goal will be to deal from depth coming year to find rb depth and or other starter at rb
We shall see
It’s a fair deal. Not sure which side I’m on. I kinda prefer Murray+TLaw12 team superflex league. Big bench.
Gave: K. Murray, T. Lawrence, 2025 2nd (late)
Received: J. Allen, Barkley, 2025 2nd
You have an unnecessary amount of tight ends.Mcbride, Pitts, Bowers
Agreed. I’ll assume the guy giving two QBs has another worth starting. In which case it looks good for both.It’s a fair deal. Not sure which side I’m on. I kinda prefer Murray+TLaw12 team superflex league. Big bench.
Gave: K. Murray, T. Lawrence, 2025 2nd (late)
Received: J. Allen, Barkley, 2025 2nd
But beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Allen is a beast, and Barkley could have a big year.