Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
All good - it’s an interesting discussion.
Cooper may also trend downward - more mouths to feed in CLE, age both factors.
Plus I just like Stevenson more, which is worth zero FF points but probably influenced my take here.
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Cooper may also trend downward - more mouths to feed in CLE, age both factors.
Plus I just like Stevenson more, which is worth zero FF points but probably influenced my take here.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Who are the 8?
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
I get it and Meno does bring up an excellent point about the format which I overlooked (i.e. I did miss something) when I first saw this deal...that being said this is Dynasty and Cooper will be 29 in June and I would like something a decent amount younger if I am dealing a potential top 10 RB...especially since the Pats have lost more (Harris) at RB this offseason than they have gained (Robinson).
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
12 team ppr QB/2RB/3WR/TE/FL
- Team A gave up Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.12; Year 2023 Draft Pick 2.11
- Team B gave up Pacheco, Isiah KCC RB; Smith-Schuster, JuJu NEP WR
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Nobody willing to give me any 24 capital for the 1.06. Tough going.
1: Bijan
2: ARich
3-6: Bryce, stroud, Gibbs, JSN (in some order)
7-8: QJ and Addison
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
No required TE spot. PPR. Saw this. One QB.
Give 1.09
Get Pitts
Give 1.09
Get Pitts
Sorry but my opinion is you should have hung onto the 1.1.
Bijan side
1.6 in this draft in a 1 QB league isn’t enough IMO. Love Taylor but Bijan is in a great spot
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Same.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That’s an odd one with no TE required.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I'll take the 9 easily.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Feels close - in this situation Pitts is basically a WR, and could well outperform the 1.09 in 1 QB.
It’s interesting, that’s for sure.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Ok fair enough.
However, this is why I don't get married to certain players.
I am fairly confident you can do better with the picks you gave up even if these are the 8 guys drafted.
Fair enough. That’s how trades get done haha. I’m happy with it.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Pitts smash. Even in a league that subtracts a half point per TE reception, this is easily Pitts.
wlwiles
Footballguy
I'll take Pitts' upside all day over the likes of Addison or Flowers
eighsse2
Footballguy
Just curious, does your league have a mechanism for 3-way trades? Or do the three of you just have to discuss things, work it out, and handshake on doing the multiple trades?
You can do 3 way trade offers on sleeper.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
How does that trade look in SF? Been chatting up the Taylor owner and might have a similar deal available...
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Much better depending on how 1-5 go.
You could be looking at JT+Gibbs or JSN in SF
Of course, I expect JT to lose some value with Anthony Richardson behind center. But this is a significantly better trade in super flex, no doubt.
I’m still probably team Bijan Robinson though
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Bijan, not close for me.
Agree but you’re not getting Addison or Flowers at 1.09 in 1 QB which just makes it and even bigger gulf.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I could see that. If someone drops then it could be worth it. Just couldn't imagine Achane or Charbs going over them now. Every league is different though.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I'd be willing to say Flowers should be 9 and then I'm not a huge fan of what comes after.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Oh boy, just got a fairly big one accepted on the first offer
FFPC 1 QB
Gave: Amon-Ra St. Brown, 2024 1st (not mine, projecting between 1.01-1.10)
Got: Garrett Wilson, Calvin Ridley
I was quietly trying to move St. Brown. I’m a big fan but he needs so much volume to stay at current value and with Gibbs, Jameson, and LaPorta arriving just seemed like there’s nowhere to go but down. Still think he has a really good year but wanted to cash out if I could get a different young, top tier WR.
The 1st is the one I got back in the Hurts deal I posted from the weekend. It’s from a fading contender that I have about 50/50 to make the playoffs, type of team that could win the 1.01 consolation bracket.
Didn’t have any shares of Wilson so really love snagging him. Tried for Lamb and DaVonte but didn’t seem to be going anywhere in those talks. I’m pretty optimistic on Ridley, think he bolsters my roster a lot, but this mostly about pivoting from Sun God to Wilson.
How’d I do?
ETA- on net the two deals:
Gave: St. Brown, Aaron Jones, 1.08, 2024 1st (lock top 4)
Got: Wilson, Hurts, Ridley, Penny, 1.10
FFPC 1 QB
Gave: Amon-Ra St. Brown, 2024 1st (not mine, projecting between 1.01-1.10)
Got: Garrett Wilson, Calvin Ridley
I was quietly trying to move St. Brown. I’m a big fan but he needs so much volume to stay at current value and with Gibbs, Jameson, and LaPorta arriving just seemed like there’s nowhere to go but down. Still think he has a really good year but wanted to cash out if I could get a different young, top tier WR.
The 1st is the one I got back in the Hurts deal I posted from the weekend. It’s from a fading contender that I have about 50/50 to make the playoffs, type of team that could win the 1.01 consolation bracket.
Didn’t have any shares of Wilson so really love snagging him. Tried for Lamb and DaVonte but didn’t seem to be going anywhere in those talks. I’m pretty optimistic on Ridley, think he bolsters my roster a lot, but this mostly about pivoting from Sun God to Wilson.
How’d I do?
ETA- on net the two deals:
Gave: St. Brown, Aaron Jones, 1.08, 2024 1st (lock top 4)
Got: Wilson, Hurts, Ridley, Penny, 1.10
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s fair. I’m on the ARSB+1st side
I like Wilson. I don’t like him enough to turn a 2024 1st into Ridley.
But I have no idea what to expect from Ridley. This could work out great - I’m not against making this deal, it’s just one I’d have a tough time pulling the trigger on.
I love ARSB & don’t see much of a drop-off coming for him, if any.
I’m sure others will prefer the Wilson/Ridley side.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Totally fair analysis. Would it change your opinion at all if I said all I care about is turning my 3 peat into a 4 or 5 peat while I have Kelce? Leaves me with:
Hurts, Goff
Ekeler, Penny, Elliott, Foreman, 1.10, 2.01
Jefferson, Wilson, Keenan, McLaurin, Ridley
Kelce
Just throwing bodies at RB2
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Definitely tips it more towards your side, as Ridley will contribute significantly more to your 2023 roster than that 2024 pick. lol
Da Franchise
Footballguy
I like it. Think you can get useful RBs at 1.07 and 2.12, but maybe better ones next year. I’ll take the chance at the bigger payoff.
I think Amon Ra and the first of used differently would give you a better chance at winning. That 1st can be used to snag pretty nice commodity from a struggling team after 4-5 weeks. I don’t think Ridley is a difference maker at all going forward in this format and might even consider him a roster clogger…
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I was very, very close to posting almost exactly that. That, at some point during the year, a team that’s trending badly might give up more than Ridley for that first round pick.
But on its face, I don’t mind the deal. I think Ridley will be better than you expect, but of course, time will tell.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Wouldn't change mine, don't hate it if you love Ridley, but I don't and as others have said u probably get more than ridley for the 1st down the stretch. GL on the 3 peat!
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Fair enough and definitely something I considered. Bottom line I just have this feeling of cashing out on Amon and love, love Wilson. Like he might be on JJ/Chase tier after this season. And I think Ridley was a 250 point season well within his reach which would probably be a WR1 finish. We shall see. I’m happy with it though.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't know what to say about this. As a Jets fan, I watched him an awful lot last year. He seems to take some really big hits and his helmet goes flying off, etc. It's really weird. He's the best rookie they've had in a while, but it looks like he plays out of control while guys like Jefferson and Chase always look totally in control. Just a thought on tempering expectations a bit. I think the world of him, but he's not JJ yet.
I don't hate the deal for you, by the way. Should be interesting.
dipandglide
Footballguy
I'll probably get flamed for this one
12 teams, Superflex. TE-prem, bestball
Gave: Barkley, Arog
Got: Tua, Marquise Brown
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I've got Barley and Tua close in value and am loaded at RB (CMC, Stevenson, Henry, Kamara, Cook). Not a win or lose in my eyes. I wanted off the Arog train and needed to get younger.
12 teams, Superflex. TE-prem, bestball
Gave: Barkley, Arog
Got: Tua, Marquise Brown
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I've got Barley and Tua close in value and am loaded at RB (CMC, Stevenson, Henry, Kamara, Cook). Not a win or lose in my eyes. I wanted off the Arog train and needed to get younger.
Da Franchise
Footballguy
Yeah I don’t actually expect anyone to ascend to the god tier but, if anyone can, it’s Wilson in my eyes. If he goes 100/1400/10, after the rookie season he just had, he’s everyone’s WR3 at worst.
Interesting note about the contact. I do recall some weird hits now that you mention it.
rockaction
Footballguy
Not anything scientific or data-driven, but an anecdotal observation about play speed and how maybe he was playing a little bit too fast and loose his rookie year. He'll hopefully learn to not put himself in unnecessarily compromising situations. And he needs a better-fitting helmet.
InDitkaWeTrust
Footballguy
I'm with you. I think Tua is criminally undervalued right now for the concussion scare and I have a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that Hollywood Brown is 25. Seems like he's been in the league longer. I've always heard to sell your RBs after a big year and that would fit the mold for Saquon, who's 26 and has had major knee reconstruction and chronic ankle injuries.
I've seen two FFPC rookie drafts so far and the only variance in the two on the first 8 picks has been pick 7. One league had Achane at 7, the other Charbs, Picks 1-6 and 8 were mirrors.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
12 team ppr QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/FL
- Team A gave up Samuel, Curtis WAS WR; Year 2023 Draft Pick 1.09
- Team B gave up Godwin, Chris TBB WR
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I think you did pretty good overall in the 2 trades but sucks that is a lock top 4 pick. With this pick I'd say it probably depends on where that 24 1st ends up. If that ends up being Marvin Harrison Jr. then I think you lost this trade. I do like Wilson (who could very well have a better year than ASB) and Ridley. Seems fair to me but depends on how I felt about where that pick ended if I would have done this deal or not.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
FFPC 1 QB
Justin Jefferson
For
Jaylen Waddle, 2.01, 2.07, 2024 1st (mid-high, I think a non playoff team), and a 2024 2nd
Justin Jefferson
For
Jaylen Waddle, 2.01, 2.07, 2024 1st (mid-high, I think a non playoff team), and a 2024 2nd
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I like this a lot. As long as they are earlier. Most years you should be able to get another pick to move back a year in both rounds but after this draft, I think this was a good move and I'd be looking to do the same if I didn't have a top 3-5 pick.
Jonesin For Some Football
Footballguy
I really like Wilson a lot but I think you are way too optimistic to be thinking Wilson will be on JJ/Chase tier. That is just nuts, especially with more competition for targets, A-Rod willing to go to the open guy or throw it away instead of forcing, plus they still have to learn each other. Also, bottom line is he just isn't as talented as those guys with a defensive minded coach. I like him a ton and think he could very well be a top 10 WR this year but I don't think he is even close to being THE WR1.
I like Ridley a ton too and think there is a good chance you are right on him this year as a top 12ish-15 WR this year. I'm holding out hope and for trying to win now and you are obviously extremely high on these guys, it is a good move. Just might bite you hard if you don't win and that 24 1st ends up being a top pick.
