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Small chance Mariota has lasting value beyond this year. He’s been free in Superflex leagues the last two years. I’m cashing out where I can at early-mid second value. You’re hoping for Tanehill 2.0. Tanehill was special his first 1.5 years with TEN. There’s a lot less to work with in ATL than what Tanny had.
Don’t I know it. I’m waiting for 1 competent game to try to get a 2023 2nd for him.
Unless Mariotta lights it up and the Falcons are winning - and let’s face it that’s unlikely - at some point the Falcons are going to want to see Ridder out there.
Love the Roethlisberger throw in
I agree. I offered Elliott for the 2023 1st and this was his counter. If I wasn't worried about the deal getting scrapped I would have probably asked for his 2023 2nd as well and would have viewed that more favorably on my side.Love the Roethlisberger throw in
seems fair enough to get a 1st for Elliott. If Schultz had signed a new contract, for I think he’s worth a little more (especially if it’s TEP scoring)
So was there any other sweeteners for the expansion teams? I mean 13 x 9 = 117 players already off the board for the three expansion teams to start the expansion draft. In a 16 team league that will be devastating to even start to compete. You will be way behind for years with something like that.
Feels light to me. Zeke should still command a late first on his own so this is a free Schultz. Would have liked to get a 2nd back or a RB better than Perine.
It seems like Zeke should command a late first on his own but in practice that doesn't seem to be happening from the leagues I have seen.
i agree with this. I made offers to multiple teams for their 2023 1st for Zeke and got rejected with no counter.
I bought Zeke months ago for essentially 2.01 (I also gave up 3.02 but got 4.02). I was desperate for a RB and I think he will be just fine this year as my RB2.
No other sweeteners. They will go to the top of the rookie draft. We also have a chance for owners to acquire players called player movement, where after we cut down to the keeper number. We expose players that can be acquired by other owners for picks. Typical years we expose one player from top 7 one player from bottom 7 and a third player of our choosing. Cost for top 7 players is a 1st and 3rd. Cost for bottom players is a 2nd and 4th. We can block the request for a top player by giving the requesting owner a 3rd. Bottom players can not be blocked. If you block or lose a player you can pull a player back. Owners that did not finish in the money get two passes through to acquire players. Owners finishing in money get one pass through. The expansion owners will be slotted in at 1-3 for this as well. Main selling point to join league was that it’s been around for 20+ years and people seem to enjoy it.
As far as the supplemental pick, it is just an added pick. There is some criteria for it. Player has to have been kept on a fantasy roster for the prior two seasons before retirement. I’ve seen many posts over the years about it being better to sell a player a year too early than a year too late. This kinda helps with that. Other situations it helped with: when Chris Henry died. When Glenn Coffee retired after one season to be a pastor I believe. Justin Blackmon and Josh Gordon’s suspensions.
Lucky you guys. I would have a hard time going into a 16 team league with at most the 118th best player.
So that pick doesn't come from anybody? It's just an extra pick at the end of the 3rd round moving everybody's 4th round pick and beyond back a pick? I don't think I like that idea. Does it work that way with all traded players?
I love this move for you. I think Cooper's value takes a serious hit with Watson's suspension coming and you should be able to find other WRs out there. I'd have made this move.
This feels terrible to me. Pickett is a very low SF asset who. Kmet could be ok this year but not even sure he is a TE1. Moore feels like nothing but a field stretching type guy on an offense with better options. This feels like a 1st round pick light for JJ to me. I'd pay this all day.
I don't have a problem paying for your guy but this is an overpay. TB12 and 3 1sts seems a tad much in a 1 QB league. I will say I don't play in any 16 team leagues so that should level the value off a bit. I'm from Oregon so definitely a Herbert fan but better hope those 23 1sts don't end up in the front half. Nothing wrong with overpaying a little for a stud though.
You didn't even add that the Brady owner will also get a 3rd or whatever it was when he retires as comp pick. I agree with you but I understand the other side too.
I get trading for 23 picks. I have 3 1sts and 4 2nds and looking for more but this feels light to me for Zeke/Schultz. Big Ben is retired and Perine is getting moved down the depth chart. Not sure that return would be enough for Zeke alone. Let alone when adding a back end TE1 like Schultz. Don't like this move. I will say that at the end of this year Zeke may not be worth that or about that but we aren't there yet. He was still like a top 7 RB last year.
If rebuilding, anything Zeke give you is detrimental to your own future 1st, so there's that.
I'd be ok with it if it was only Zeke, even if a little light but Schultz should have never been included. I feel you could have waited for a couple weeks of decent Zeke production and got the 1st for him straight up you were looking for.
In theory I think that is sound. However, in actual leagues there are multiple problems with trying this. First, the owners will remember last year where he struggled and many believing Pollard ran better than him. Second, his advanced age moving into this year (27) combined with many touches. And third, if he doesn't start of the year with 2-3-4 good games and instead has 1-2-3 bad games then this will help confirm in owners minds points 1 and 2.Jonesin For Some Football said:
I understand the argument but just don't agree personally. I hate selling low and selling low on 2 players I don't like at all. All of what you said could be true for sure and a risk I'd take. Zeke wasn't healthy all last year and still was good enough. Plus, he has a lot of miles but he is only 27, not 29. Just my thoughts. Just feel like this trade most likely wasn't going anywhere but a better one could have materialized when injuries started to hit.
Genuinely don’t know why anyone would join that league as a doormat expansion team. They’re gonna get run over for years trying to build a competitive team. And any asset of value they get at start up will be worthless by the time a few drafts have come and gone.Trent said:
Right. No way I even consider something like that. I'm sure there are ways to do it where you don't have to disband if you were really against it as a league but this isn't it. Have to give the new teams a chance. Maybe let every team pick a few guys they keep and then let just the expansion teams draft from the rest of the rosters. Plus, give them the top picks in this year's draft. Something like that. I'd avoid this type of expansion like the plague.
The only way that makes any sense at all is if someone was dropping and 2.07 was on the clock. Even then it seems like an overpay but I could understand. As it stands, it seems like a dumb trade to move up 4 picks and get Ahmed who is useless and lose a 23 3rd for a 24 4th.
It's actually a 2023 2nd. You scenario (someone dropping) definitely makes more sense but it's then a ridiculous overpay to move up 4 spots in Round 2. I'm not sure anyone in that range makes it worth overpaying for.
Totally agree with you. Just saying I could understand it more then. If you had to pay to move up for someone you really wanted that fell there. It seems horrible though.
We have expanded multiple times over the years. It started off as a league of friends/co-workers and has grown from there. I can understand why people would be hesitant to join. I’m hoping this is the last time we have expansion and can start a waiting list to take over for any owners that decide to leave. We have had two people leave and come back. Me personally I’d rather just stay at 13 owners and let it get to 12 owners before I cut all of my players to start over. It’s not like the new people joining don’t know what to expect. We have had an expansion owner win the league. We also had another win the SuperBowl as all 16 teams make the playoffs. Like others have said there is probably no perfect way to do it.
Definitely hard to do it fairly but them getting the over 100 ranked players seems way unfair. They know getting in though. I'd prefer 12 anyways. 16 is too many people in my opinion anyways. With that many teams, expansion teams competing is probably less likely than before.
Was the pick on the clock? I wouldn't do that blindly hoping that some guy makes it to 2.07 for a draft in the coming weeks. Moving up 4 picks before a draft even starts is nice to even out a bigger deal but it really doesn't make a lot of sense being the main target if the pick isn't currently on the clock.
Nope, draft isn't until August. Team C said he wanted to get ahead of the guys that always cut his sack.
I could see the preference for both sides but would probably lean CMC/Pittman. Lamb is in a pivotal year for his value. If he doesn’t show he can be a number one guy this year he will fall down the rankings. With RB scarcity being real it would be hard to pass on CMC.
FFPC has a pretty active “orphaned teams” web page listing dozens of available teams at all price ranges. And I think they give discounts for teams that were obviously not well maintained.
