Ash
Footballguy
After seeing our last offseason, I don't think Baalke even invites Chip to the meetings.
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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (3 Viewers)
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Insein
Footballguy
https://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2016/02/could_demarco_murray_eagles_part_ways_report_indic.html
It's NJ.com so take it with a huge grain of salt but there's tweets from Dez Bryant telling Demarco "to come home."
dhockster
Footballguy
I am not necessarily against signing Bradford to a one year deal. I am just against locking ourselves up with Bradford on a long-term deal When there are still questions about his durability and his productivity. Sign Bradford to a one year deal and see how he performs in Pederson's System. If he is healthy and performs well, extend him. If not, let him go next year.
modogg
Footballguy
i have to look at most of the last drafts, but i feel quite confident that the chances are better than 20% that 3 QBs don't go in the top 12. Draft predictions are iffy, especially at this point, but i have looked at quite a few and the most QBs i see going are 2 in the top 12. So if the Eagles were desperate they could reach at 13 for one, but i don't really see anybody predicting Eagles draft QB obviously will change after Bradford deadline).
modogg
Footballguy
and to be honest, I think first step is what does Bradford want and what do the Eagles think they have in him. A lot of talk of the draft in here, but i am hoping that the Bradford decision is a completely different thought on their part, and judging by past drafts with Howie, etc., I am thinking the last thing they do is put themselves in a position to have to draft a position.
I think there are too many factors to think that signing Bradford to franchise tag will give them a clear picture of what Bradford's potential can be. New offense and new coaching staff alone, just makes me think there will be a learning curve. Eagles may think different or really look at the idea as too many things going on, franchise Bradford and do this same dance next year. but honestly the way the new coaching regime has been talking in the media, it does not seem that they are overwhelmed with Bradford's potential. the fact that they haven't committed to him in the media makes me think they are either really looking to negotiate a good deal, or are simply not sold on him.
Either way, i do think the Bradford decision and assessment of QB position should really be occurring without the draft too much in mind. I also think the current Eagles front office is not naive enough or ignorant enough to think that they are getting this year's starter at 13. If i had to guess, they do like they should do. They grade each player and discuss where they would be willing to take them. if someone is there they want at good value they take it. but they create back-up plans through free agency or whatever to not be dependent on the draft.
I think there are too many factors to think that signing Bradford to franchise tag will give them a clear picture of what Bradford's potential can be. New offense and new coaching staff alone, just makes me think there will be a learning curve. Eagles may think different or really look at the idea as too many things going on, franchise Bradford and do this same dance next year. but honestly the way the new coaching regime has been talking in the media, it does not seem that they are overwhelmed with Bradford's potential. the fact that they haven't committed to him in the media makes me think they are either really looking to negotiate a good deal, or are simply not sold on him.
Either way, i do think the Bradford decision and assessment of QB position should really be occurring without the draft too much in mind. I also think the current Eagles front office is not naive enough or ignorant enough to think that they are getting this year's starter at 13. If i had to guess, they do like they should do. They grade each player and discuss where they would be willing to take them. if someone is there they want at good value they take it. but they create back-up plans through free agency or whatever to not be dependent on the draft.
modogg
Footballguy
here is some more of this too:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000632288/article/demarco-murray-eagles-appear-headed-toward-staredown
i'd be ok with Mathews as the starter, but we better add some good free agent or back-up plan too.
Insein
Footballguy
But why did Demarco come out and say he's committed to the Eagles? It wasn't even in response to the article. He was already scheduled for NFL network and said it to the live people.
Ash
Footballguy
It's completely a function of how many highly rated prospects there are. In 2012 3 QBs went in the top 12, in 2011 it was 4 (two are now out of the NFL). In 2006 and 2004 it was 3 again. In 1999 it was 5.
I don't watch college football and have no opinion on these 3 players, but if NFL teams think they're good, they'll pick them early.
Deamon
Footballguy
Exactly. And if they don't think they're good, then I dont want one. I agree the likely scenario is Goff/Wentz going before 13. I just don't think we should put all our apples counting on one player. If Bradford is gone before the draft, we're going to need a miracle in the first round. If we tag him, then we can just forget about QB (unless someone good slips) and move on here. The odds are not in our favour of a franchise QB falling to exactly 13.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
The Eagles wouldn't have to draft a QB in the first round. They could take a chance on a second (Don't currently have one) or third rounder while bringing in Chase Daniels. There's a lot of pundits and fans high on Daniels and perhaps Pederson feels he could be just as productive as Bradford in his offense. If the team feels Daniels can be a legit NFL QB, they can bring him in and keep looking in the draft each year.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Probably because Dez is a moron and posted something on Twitter for him to come him? It's February? Besides the Superbowl there is nothing to talk about? Not seeing where the drama is coming from.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Eagles Suspend Search For Personnel Head
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The Eagles have temporarily halted their search for a new personnel exec and are not expected to make a hire until after the draft, a league source confirmed.
Geoff Mosher was first with the report.
The Eagles, who have no scouting chief after firing coach Chip Kelly and top personnel executive Ed Marynowitz, are looking for a high-ranking senior executive to lead the scouting department and determine the fate of current scouts, per sources, but they opened their search at a time when NFL teams are knee deep in the pre-draft process and would be reluctant to allow a top personnel executive to leave.
Teams don’t normally allow an experienced, senior executive to walk out their doors about one month from free agency and less than three months from the draft.
So the Eagles, who are marching forward with first-time head coach Doug Pederson, have temporarily suspended their search.
Jeffrey Lurie announced at Doug Pederson‘s introductory press conference that they were about to begin their search for a new personnel head. Those efforts ramped up in Mobile, as the Eagles hoped to have someone in place around the time of the Super Bowl.
Trending: Eagles Wake-Up Call: The Case For Franchising Bradford
The Eagles met with about six candidates in all, per a source, including Steelers pro personnel coordinator Brandon Hunt. They also had some level of interest in former Browns vice president of player personnel Morocco Brown. While it’s still possible one of the early candidates gets the gig, the Eagles are choosing to cast a wider net after the draft when scouting contracts typically expire.
While that may be a smart move long-term, the Eagles find themselves short-handed as they head into some of the more critical months of the pre-draft process. They are also currently operating without a college scouting director, as Mosher notes.
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Right now, the team’s top talent evaluators are Roseman, Tom Donahoe and Pederson. Roseman went a year without having any say in personnel decisions after losing a power struggle to Kelly last January and Donahoe, promoted from senior adviser to senior player personnel director while the Eagles are without a personnel head, has mainly patrolled the northeast and hasn’t done much field scouting across the country.
The highest-ranking college scout on the staff is Trey Brown, who was promoted by Marynowitz last June to assistant college scouting director. The team didn’t need an official director because Kelly was so heavily involved in scouting college prospects.
Donahoe, still living in Pittsburgh, has been serving in a consultant role as opposed to full-time. Pederson is brand new head coach and has his hands full as-is. Lurie has been stressing the importance of having a "collaborative approach," but without a key personnel figure in place it appears the show will belong to Roseman, who was largely out of the scouting game this year himself.
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2016/02/02/eagles-reportedly-suspend-search-for-pesonnel-head/#MxDkBfJiE5x5bOuK.99
If Lurie is truthful about 'accountability' then this batch of signings and the upcoming draft are all on Howie, for better or worse. The collaborative effort seems to be Howie with the counsel of Tom Donahoe.
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The Eagles have temporarily halted their search for a new personnel exec and are not expected to make a hire until after the draft, a league source confirmed.
Geoff Mosher was first with the report.
The Eagles, who have no scouting chief after firing coach Chip Kelly and top personnel executive Ed Marynowitz, are looking for a high-ranking senior executive to lead the scouting department and determine the fate of current scouts, per sources, but they opened their search at a time when NFL teams are knee deep in the pre-draft process and would be reluctant to allow a top personnel executive to leave.
Teams don’t normally allow an experienced, senior executive to walk out their doors about one month from free agency and less than three months from the draft.
So the Eagles, who are marching forward with first-time head coach Doug Pederson, have temporarily suspended their search.
Jeffrey Lurie announced at Doug Pederson‘s introductory press conference that they were about to begin their search for a new personnel head. Those efforts ramped up in Mobile, as the Eagles hoped to have someone in place around the time of the Super Bowl.
Trending: Eagles Wake-Up Call: The Case For Franchising Bradford
The Eagles met with about six candidates in all, per a source, including Steelers pro personnel coordinator Brandon Hunt. They also had some level of interest in former Browns vice president of player personnel Morocco Brown. While it’s still possible one of the early candidates gets the gig, the Eagles are choosing to cast a wider net after the draft when scouting contracts typically expire.
While that may be a smart move long-term, the Eagles find themselves short-handed as they head into some of the more critical months of the pre-draft process. They are also currently operating without a college scouting director, as Mosher notes.
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Right now, the team’s top talent evaluators are Roseman, Tom Donahoe and Pederson. Roseman went a year without having any say in personnel decisions after losing a power struggle to Kelly last January and Donahoe, promoted from senior adviser to senior player personnel director while the Eagles are without a personnel head, has mainly patrolled the northeast and hasn’t done much field scouting across the country.
The highest-ranking college scout on the staff is Trey Brown, who was promoted by Marynowitz last June to assistant college scouting director. The team didn’t need an official director because Kelly was so heavily involved in scouting college prospects.
Donahoe, still living in Pittsburgh, has been serving in a consultant role as opposed to full-time. Pederson is brand new head coach and has his hands full as-is. Lurie has been stressing the importance of having a "collaborative approach," but without a key personnel figure in place it appears the show will belong to Roseman, who was largely out of the scouting game this year himself.
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2016/02/02/eagles-reportedly-suspend-search-for-pesonnel-head/#MxDkBfJiE5x5bOuK.99
If Lurie is truthful about 'accountability' then this batch of signings and the upcoming draft are all on Howie, for better or worse. The collaborative effort seems to be Howie with the counsel of Tom Donahoe.
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
The bad news is that's a low-percentage strategy these days. Here are the draft positions of this season's top 20 finishers at QB:
2-32
1-4
6-199
1-1
1-3
1-1
1-3
1-1
1-8
4-102
1-1
3-75
2-36
1-11
7-250
1-1
1-24
1-1
1-11
1-1
Fourteen out of the 20 were first-rounders - fifteen if you count Brees, who was a top-32 pick - despite first-rounders being a very small subset of the overall QB draft pool.
The good news is that the quality of the top end of the QB draft pool varies widely from year to year, but team needs are what they are right now. For example, it's not as though the Titans are gonna draft a QB, regardless of whether this year's #1-rated QB is 20% better or 20% worse than the average draft class' top QB, and so on down the line. So just because a guy is available for the Birds at 13 doesn't mean he's not deserving of being picked there.
Having said that, I'd generally prefer an unproven second-tier vet (even a guy like Daniel) over an equally unproven random second-tier rookie, just because of survivor bias. I feel people in general underestimate the baseline level of skill needed to even remain in the NFL for more than a couple of years, and the fact that a guy has stuck around for 6 years without getting bumped by a younger, more promising kid tells me at least something about his potential to perform.
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JaxBill
Footballguy
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
A more important question is, why would any self-respecting NFL club even consider hiring the VP of player personnel for the Cleveland Browns? Why not just interview Matt Millen while you're at it?
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Well, it's apparently all on Howie right now. He is the only guy with any personnel power and has been acting as the GM. That said, I am not as worried about free agency as I am the draft. Roseman is good at managing the cap and retaining younger talent, and the recent extensions to Johnson, Ertz, Curry look good IMO. We've never really been sure who has been in charge during the draft process. Only recently, Howie admitted Marcus Smith III was his pick, etc. What has me baffled is the structure Lurie has set up here post-Kelly. Guess I'm not the only one:JaxBill said:
http://www.crossingbroad.com/2016/02/adam-caplan-gives-the-saddest-description-of-the-eagles-front-office.html
Adam Caplan Gives the Saddest Description of the Eagles Front Office
"Adam Caplan: “When he made the decision to fire the head coach and the VP of football operations, he didn’t think ‘Okay if I do this, who is gonna be Ed Marynowitz’s replacement?’ He didn’t have anyone in mind, clearly, because they didn’t bring anyone in. Not only are they not hiring anyone … teams don’t let people out before the draft because they don’t want them to give information to another team …”
Joe DeCamara: “What is in between Doug Pederson and Howie Roseman?”
AC: “Nobody. There’s no one else left.”
JD: “Who has the second most power behind Roseman, and besides Doug Pederson?”
AC: “Tom Donahoe I guess… there’s no one else left. This is the only NFL team in recent history that doesn’t have a general manager, a VP of football operations, and a college scouting director. Their front office is in turmoil as far as I’m concerned. You can’t go forward – and you’re gonna have to because they made this decision and there’s nothing they can do about it right now – … after the draft, I don’t care whatever is on their mind, the number one thing is to fix this front office … Jeffrey and Roseman have a lot of work to do to fix the football operations.”
I've done some research on Chase Daniels and I'm starting to be less convinced that we should sign Bradford. If we can get him in the 15 million range, I'd be for signing him. But if he's looking for 20 million, I'd let him go.
I've heard that many Chief fans like Daniels and that he's impressed in preseason. Also that many wanted him to get his chance when Kansas city fell to 1-5. Supposedly has a big arm. What is his contract situation?
I've heard that many Chief fans like Daniels and that he's impressed in preseason. Also that many wanted him to get his chance when Kansas city fell to 1-5. Supposedly has a big arm. What is his contract situation?
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Thank you. If they can get him around the 3 million that Fitzpatrick played for last year, I'd be all for it. Pederson obviously knows what he can (or cant) do.
Insein
Footballguy
This is my thinking. More and more people around the league are saying Chase deserves a shot. Kind of like Matt Schaub in Atlanta. Schaub had some good years in Houston before it fell apart. A guy like Daniel could be a solid starter that may not be that much below the level of play we get from Bradford but for about $12-$15m cheaper per year. Meanwhile we can take a QB and let him grow either this year or next or both depending on how the draft breaks out.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Here is the QB FA list: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/quarterback/
Daniel is probably the most intriguing for us.
After that, it would be Fitz, if he somehow gets out of NY.
Next, I guess I would look at Schaub, if it is a true bridge situation.
I assume that Osweiler will stay with DEN and Cousins with WSH.
Some mighty slim pickings after that.
Daniel is probably the most intriguing for us.
After that, it would be Fitz, if he somehow gets out of NY.
Next, I guess I would look at Schaub, if it is a true bridge situation.
I assume that Osweiler will stay with DEN and Cousins with WSH.
Some mighty slim pickings after that.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Players don't often sign the franchise tender right away correct?
jon007
Footballguy
T.O. didn't make the HOF this year.
https://twitter.com/terrellowens/status/696136973191352320
TO's 1st reaction
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TO's 3rd reaction
My 1st reaction
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https://twitter.com/terrellowens/status/696136973191352320
TO's 1st reaction
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Deamon
Footballguy
ROFLSome people's heads may explode at the latest story.
Adam Schefter: "Eagles will not franchise tag Bradford, may be interested in re-acquiring Nick Foles."
need2know
Footballguy
This better be bs. What a bunch of horse ####ROFL
Adam Schefter: "Eagles will not franchise tag Bradford, may be interested in re-acquiring Nick Foles."
babydemon90
Footballguy
Sounds like pure speculation
Adam Schefter: "Eagles will not franchise tag Bradford, may be interested in re-acquiring Nick Foles."
massraider
Footballguy
Sweet Baby Jebus, this thread would vault to Hall Of Fame status.
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Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
It doesn't seem real.
But I guess pederson was here when Andy took foles, right? Hopefully Andy isn't singing his praises to Doug.
But I guess pederson was here when Andy took foles, right? Hopefully Andy isn't singing his praises to Doug.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
With foles's contract, it would seem totally insane.
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Foles + Daniels + QB drafted in 2016?
I'm not as sour on the Eagles as most people seem to be....so I don't have a beef with this. Give me Best Player Available who isn't an RB or G at the 13th pick, a FA burner who can take the top off at WR and some veteran depth......and this team is contending to go into the second round of the playoffs next year.
I'm not as sour on the Eagles as most people seem to be....so I don't have a beef with this. Give me Best Player Available who isn't an RB or G at the 13th pick, a FA burner who can take the top off at WR and some veteran depth......and this team is contending to go into the second round of the playoffs next year.
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
Hey, wait ... are we sure they didn't interview Matt Millen?
Adam Schefter: "Eagles will not franchise tag Bradford, may be interested in re-acquiring Nick Foles."
Les Bowen
✔@LesBowen
League source with knowledge of the situation: The Eagles are not considering bringing back Nick Foles, though Pederson did like him..
11:39 AM - 7 Feb 2016
✔@LesBowen
League source with knowledge of the situation: The Eagles are not considering bringing back Nick Foles, though Pederson did like him..
11:39 AM - 7 Feb 2016
massraider
Footballguy
Dammit, Les.
Thank God. I doubt the Rams even want to bring him back.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
So Shah hacked Schefty?
Adam Schefter: "Eagles will not franchise tag Bradford, may be interested in re-acquiring Nick Foles."
I keed I keed
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Shefter engaged in pure speculation, apparently
"From what we're hearing, nothing has been decided regarding Bradford at this point. Meanwhile, the Foles talk is being labeled as speculation and a potential trade for him very unlikely because of salary cap/dead money issues. While we've confirmed that Pederson does like Foles, the numbers wouldn't work even if the Eagles did want to bring him back."
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2016/02/07/schefter-eagles-not-expected-to-tag-bradford-interested-in-foles/#325sqzVMso2LBW93.99
All in all, I am very glad we were not the team that gave Foles that money/contract.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/Jeff_McLane
McLane has some interesting thoughts on Twitter re: Foles, Howie. I was not aware the impact Pederson had on Philly drafting Foles, and that does make for a more interesting link here, but the cap hit on STL would be huge. Looks like Foles name hasn't come up... and Howie using social media as intentional 'misdirection' is typical.
McLane has some interesting thoughts on Twitter re: Foles, Howie. I was not aware the impact Pederson had on Philly drafting Foles, and that does make for a more interesting link here, but the cap hit on STL would be huge. Looks like Foles name hasn't come up... and Howie using social media as intentional 'misdirection' is typical.
massraider
Footballguy
Dunno why the numbers wouldn't work. Foles will cost less than Bradford, the Rams would have to eat 8 mill, but that's not a total dealbreaker.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Yep. Was marinating my wings in the kitchen and listening along on ESPN. I always liked Nick Foles. Tough kid. Good guy. Wouldn't be against it. Doesn't appear to be grounded in reality, though.
As discussed, Chase Daniels may be a good cheap option and his Pederson ties are obvious. Lots of talk re: benching Alex Smith when they were 1-5.
massraider
Footballguy
The real news is them not franchising Sam, if that's true.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
McClane Twitter saying approximately a $7.75M price tag on Philly's end if he were to be traded here. Dunno I want to pass on giving Sam ~$16M to give Foles ~$8M. Actually, not sure either option is desirable. Will be interesting to see what the de facto GM does.
An $8.75M cap hit for STL. Lots for a backup QB. They can cut him by the 3rd day of the league year and be on the hook for $6M with the Eagles paying the diff. Is it worth a $6M cap hit to STL to clear him off the roster?
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