Spookytooth
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Peterson could have more rb1 years left than people think.
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**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Dr. Octopus
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I don't think Hill is a top 5 RB so I suppose that's the difference. When it comes to RB in dynasty I really just go year by year. Forsett and Hill are pretty close to me, and I got a couple strong assets. To me thats a win. Holding onto a guy whose in a split backfield just because he's young doesn't really make sense to me. Even if Hill himself gets better as a player, I'm not sure that will correlate to fantasy value just because of the usage.
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
I'll take a first over Crowell. 3-headed RBBC on a mediocre at best offense. No thanks.Kree said:
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
I like it if the pick stays in that range but it's a pretty even deal. I like A-Rob but not his QB.BostonRob said:
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
I'll take side A despite being someone who isn't super high on Hill and usually prefers the side getting the best player.ChuckLiddell said:
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
Tough one, most will prefer Hill here but to me Green is the intriguing part. I would go with Forsett and the picks though. Bold move, I like it.
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Hill doesn't really need to get better, so much as keep doing what he's shown. The second half of the season especially he was a monster. He's much better than Gio, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if HE steals more receptions from Gio than Gio steals early down/GL work from him.
He's 22 years old. You're trading him for a short-term starter at best and a pick that you really really hope turns into what you already had in Hill--a young elite player. And if you're REALLY lucky, he'll turn into that plus have a situation you like more. That's not likely.
I'm also someone that, until I'm right on the doorstep of being a top contender, ignores the RB position mostly, just filling the hole year to year. But if you're valuing Hill near Forsett, there's something very wrong with that. Just my opinion.
Devy Superflex, Tiered PPR (.5/1/1.5) Start 1QB/RB/WR/TE 1 SuperFlex 4 Flex
Gave:
Breshad Perriman
Late 2016 1st (see as 2.03 to 2.06)
Mid 2016 Devy (1.05 to 1.08)
Late 2016 Devy (1.09 to 1.12)
2016 3rd (see as 3.10 to 4.04)
Got
Jimmy Graham
Joseph Randle
Darren McFadden
Malcolm Brown (own Gurley/Mason)
Gave away future assets but I'm going for the title this year, roster now looks like this:
Ryan/Big Ben/Geno
Charles(Davis)/Gurley(Mason)/Duke(Crowell/West)/Randle(DMC)
Antonio/Jeffery/Tate/Maclin/Sanders/Floyd/Strong
Graham/Bennett
Devys: Zeke, Cardale, Clement
Remaining Devy Picks: One Late 2016, No rookie picks!
Gave:
Breshad Perriman
Late 2016 1st (see as 2.03 to 2.06)
Mid 2016 Devy (1.05 to 1.08)
Late 2016 Devy (1.09 to 1.12)
2016 3rd (see as 3.10 to 4.04)
Got
Jimmy Graham
Joseph Randle
Darren McFadden
Malcolm Brown (own Gurley/Mason)
Gave away future assets but I'm going for the title this year, roster now looks like this:
Ryan/Big Ben/Geno
Charles(Davis)/Gurley(Mason)/Duke(Crowell/West)/Randle(DMC)
Antonio/Jeffery/Tate/Maclin/Sanders/Floyd/Strong
Graham/Bennett
Devys: Zeke, Cardale, Clement
Remaining Devy Picks: One Late 2016, No rookie picks!
So the biggest piece you lost was a mid first devy pick in exchange for a top 2 TE in 1.5ppr? Looks good to me.
I just think long term planning at RB is futile. Gio was a top 15 RB as a rookie and then they brought in Hill. Theres no guarentee Hill lasts long either, nature of the position. If you took Hyde last year expecting him to take over for Gore, are you really happy now that the Niners project to be much worse than they were a couple years ago, and have a passing down back and a rookie in the fold? I think you constantly buy and sell RB in dynasty. If Forsett is having an RB1 season in October, he'll be very easy to move and much more valuable than he is in June when all anyone is thinking about is longevity and age.
Great methodology debate here, always excellent to discuss.
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blardorg
Footballguy
Really poor value for 1.05. Basically a 2016 2nd and 3rd, and a TE that is so far all hype. I love all the extra junk that team A managed to work in, haha. If that was 1.05 for every other piece in the trade, including the stuff team B gave up, it still wouldn't be close.
blardorg
Footballguy
i don't think Hyde's value has declined much if at all. They thought enough of him to not re-sign Gore. They brought in Bush a receiving back and drafted a guy in the 5th round. None of that was unexpected and the same moves probably would've been made if Gore was the starter. I will grant they're O-line isn't as good but he's still a top 15-20 back.
Gianluca
Footballguy
12 Team PPR
Team A trades Jordan Matthews and Knile Davis
Team B trades Martavis Bryant and Micheal Floyd
I didn't want to part with Matthews as he never was discussed but when he sent me this offer I accepted immediately. I was trying to deal 1.12 Knile Davis and Duron Carter in a deal for Martavis but I guess he preferred Matthews.
Team A trades Jordan Matthews and Knile Davis
Team B trades Martavis Bryant and Micheal Floyd
I didn't want to part with Matthews as he never was discussed but when he sent me this offer I accepted immediately. I was trying to deal 1.12 Knile Davis and Duron Carter in a deal for Martavis but I guess he preferred Matthews.
Bryant/Floyd
I will take Graham
Hill
I might swing on Harvin for that in a return yards league
blardorg
Footballguy
1.12, Knile, and Carter would have been an overpay for Bryant. The big question is whether Floyd can do anything. If he puts up another WR40 season or whatever he had, I'd much prefer Matthews + Knile. I like Matthews better than Bryant straight up by a decent amount, and if Floyd isn't at least a WR3, I'd rather have the best handcuff in the league
One More Rep
Footballguy
Omniscient Deity
Footballguy
SieteCinco
Footballguy
Agreed, and the funny thing is Im the person on the other end of this deal! Bit of context:We were in a dispersal draft last off-season and I only came away with three strong assets and no 2015 rookie 1sts/devys. I had some productive pieces around them, but ultimately was a mid pack team with no desirable assets to trade outside of Cam/Graham/Hilton, and Graham/Hilton's values are dropping (even though I don't think they should be). Decided to blow the roster up and acquire as many assets as I could and even though I won't compete this year, I am pretty happy with what I have now:jmo87usc said:
QB: Cam Newton
QB: Phillip Rivers - Sam Bradford - Osweiller
WR: DeVante Parker - 1st - 1st
WR: De'Runnya Wilson - Brian Quick
WR: Breshad Perriman - Sammie Coates
WR: Nelson Agholor - Tavon Austin - Paul Richardson
WR: Phillip Dorsett
TE: Eric Ebron
RB: Matt Jones - Josh Robinson - Michael Dyer - James White/JonasG
2016 Rookie: 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 3
2016 Devy: 1, 1, 1, 1
@JonB's already league best team just got even better though!
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SieteCinco
Footballguy
Here are the deals so far this off-season - Pre-NFL Draft:
Gave: 3.07/Josh McCown
Received: 2.11
Gave: Tre Mason, Mark Ingram, 3.11
Received: Jordan Matthews, Joseph Randle (funny thing is I tried hard NOT to have Randle thrown in at the time!)
Gave: Eli Manning, Ryan Mathews, DeAngelo Williams
Received: Phillip Rivers, 2.04, 3.01
After the NFL draft:
Gave: Branden Oliver (Gordon owner)
Received: Jonas Gray, 2016 3rd
Gave: TY Hilton, Javorius Allen
Received: Randall Cobb
Gave: Jordan Matthews
Received: DeVante Parker, De'Runnya Wilson, 2016 3rd
Gave: Randall Cobb, Justin Hardy; 2016 3rd
Received: Nelson Agholor, Phillip Dorsett, 2016 rookie 1st, 2016 rookie 2nd, 2016 Devy 1st
Gave: Jimmy Graham, Joseph Randle/DMC, Malcom Brown
Received: Breshad Perriman, 2016 1st, 2016 devy 1st, 2016 devy 1st (I have the two Devt teams at mid-pack with some holes, so they could go either way. The 2016 1st has only Stafford/Cutler at QB, strong RB/WRs but no TE, depth, or remaining picks so it'll depend on how Cutler/CJA/Melvin/Wallace do for him. I have him at #2-3, but there's room for error here!)
Gave up two studs, which isn't usually style, but I think I received enough pieces to throw at the wall.
Gave: 3.07/Josh McCown
Received: 2.11
Gave: Tre Mason, Mark Ingram, 3.11
Received: Jordan Matthews, Joseph Randle (funny thing is I tried hard NOT to have Randle thrown in at the time!)
Gave: Eli Manning, Ryan Mathews, DeAngelo Williams
Received: Phillip Rivers, 2.04, 3.01
After the NFL draft:
Gave: Branden Oliver (Gordon owner)
Received: Jonas Gray, 2016 3rd
Gave: TY Hilton, Javorius Allen
Received: Randall Cobb
Gave: Jordan Matthews
Received: DeVante Parker, De'Runnya Wilson, 2016 3rd
Gave: Randall Cobb, Justin Hardy; 2016 3rd
Received: Nelson Agholor, Phillip Dorsett, 2016 rookie 1st, 2016 rookie 2nd, 2016 Devy 1st
Gave: Jimmy Graham, Joseph Randle/DMC, Malcom Brown
Received: Breshad Perriman, 2016 1st, 2016 devy 1st, 2016 devy 1st (I have the two Devt teams at mid-pack with some holes, so they could go either way. The 2016 1st has only Stafford/Cutler at QB, strong RB/WRs but no TE, depth, or remaining picks so it'll depend on how Cutler/CJA/Melvin/Wallace do for him. I have him at #2-3, but there's room for error here!)
Gave up two studs, which isn't usually style, but I think I received enough pieces to throw at the wall.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I mean, I agree with your general philosophy in regards to the RB position for sure. Last year I won a championship with Brees, stud WR's across the board, Gronk, and only Fred Jackson at RB lol.amicsta said:
I just think you're wrong in this particular instance. I don't see any correlation between Hyde and Hill because Hill has already shown what he can do, and his situation hasn't changed except that the Bengals invested even more into their OL than they already had, unlike Hyde who seems to be the only promising young fantasy asset on a crumbling roster.
I'm with you, I'm constantly buying and selling RB's when necessary, I just don't generally value the position. I try to "downgrade" to less sexy RB names all the time in order to avoid the risk and acquire value that I can invest elsewhere on my roster, usually at WR.
But in this specific case, I personally value Hill higher and I've seen Hill go for more in trades and in start-ups.
Good chatting with you about this, this is the kind of stuff that makes the Shark Pool valuable.
I like your Hill trades.
Probably slight overpays on market but every league is different and every owner will value him differently too so if that is the guy you want you pay that rate. I like Hill enough that is I had solid WR's I would make either of those deals.
I think the Bengals showed their hand long term with how Hill was used in the back half of the season and he did very well and Gio didn't suffer much either. In any case you gave up some potential long term for immediate and future production in a position that can be hard to get consistency.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
14 team PPR devy league (one round per year)
Gave:
Kelvin Benjamin
Got:
Devin Funchess
2016 devy pick
2016 2nd
Gave:
Kelvin Benjamin
Got:
Devin Funchess
2016 devy pick
2016 2nd
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
10 tm start 2 QB/1R/1W/1T/3F, tiered PPR, 1 point per 5 carries
I have a team that on paper is really good but has underachieved every year. Just paid a hefty price for Gronk to try and put me over the top....
Jeremy Hill
Taliaferro
Edelman
Julius Thomas
2017 1st
2017 2nd
for
Gronk
Ivory
Ridley
Garcon
2016 second
I have a team that on paper is really good but has underachieved every year. Just paid a hefty price for Gronk to try and put me over the top....
Jeremy Hill
Taliaferro
Edelman
Julius Thomas
2017 1st
2017 2nd
for
Gronk
Ivory
Ridley
Garcon
2016 second
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Get a new Calculator. No idea what that calculator must say about pick 7 and/or Forsett, or what rankings you used for it, but no, bad value for Hill
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Then trade HIll for a WR, not an old RB and a draft pick that probably nets you a far lesser RB than Hill.amicsta said:
I like the Benjamin side. I guess if you like Funchess the return isn't bad depending on where that devy pick projects
Assuming you have some RB's to start I like the deal for you
12 team PPR, flexible lineups 1-3 rb, 1-4 wr, 1-3 te
Trade 1
Gave: Jarvis Landry
Received: 2016 1st round pick (likely 3-8)
Trade 2
Gave: Jordan Cameron and Marqise Lee
Received: Allen Robinson
This is an orphan team (contender) I took over during the offseason and I'm trading around to get my guys. Based on current values the first trade is quite even and the second may favor me slightly.
Trade 1
Gave: Jarvis Landry
Received: 2016 1st round pick (likely 3-8)
Trade 2
Gave: Jordan Cameron and Marqise Lee
Received: Allen Robinson
This is an orphan team (contender) I took over during the offseason and I'm trading around to get my guys. Based on current values the first trade is quite even and the second may favor me slightly.
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Makes sense.
I think both trades favor your side quite nicely.
Good start to reshaping your team
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blardorg
Footballguy
Not sure I'd pay this price for Gronk unless it was a 1.5ppr TE. Even then, is Gronk worth Jeremy Hill, Edelman, and a 1st rounder more than Julius Thomas? Would have to see your remaining roster before I can say for sure, but it looks like you created a hole at two starting spots in order to upgrade one. That usually doesn't work well.
It says tiered PPR so we can assume TE premium in some format.
The problem with Edelman is he performs like a 1st round guy but you will never get that in a trade. JT is a ? in JAX so really Hill and the 1st are the 2 solid assets you give up.
In a 10 team league even if it is an overpay studs are easily worth an overpay of some sort to have them starting.
blardorg
Footballguy
Good point about Edelman, but to me that means you should hold him, not sell him for a good bit below his real worth. He finished as like the WR #15 or 17 or so in 1 PPR last year, yeah? He and JT are definitely not just throw ins. Together they're worth at least another 1st round pick, and probably a decent 1st round pick at that. Still could be worth it for Gronk and the other pieces, just wanted to disagree a little about how you framed the deal
I am not going to blow a deal for a stud haggling over the price on Edelman or JTGood point about Edelman, but to me that means you should hold him, not sell him for a good bit below his real worth. He finished as like the WR #15 or 17 or so in 1 PPR last year, yeah? He and JT are definitely not just throw ins. Together they're worth at least another 1st round pick, and probably a decent 1st round pick at that. Still could be worth it for Gronk and the other pieces, just wanted to disagree a little about how you framed the deal
thunderguns
Footballguy
I'm probably a little higher than average on Freeman, but I'd take the picks. Good trade.
jeaton6
Footballguy
I'm not high on him and think that's selling low. Even if you had removed the 2017 2 I'm probably on the Freeman side ever so slightly.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Early/mid 2nd rounders are pretty valuable in Superflex + TE premium leagues though. I like the value, personally.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
Problem is that's the only way I was making this deal. Been trying to get Gronk in this league for 2 years. He finally beat me down to giving up all this. FTR, Edelman finished 17th in this league last year in PPG... but I think his future production is pretty volatile. His ceiling was probably last year, and while I think he can hit that again many times I don't think he'll hit Welker's prime, and I think he could fall off. What makes it easier to give him up is that I am acquiring another Patriot catcher in the trade and I have Dez/Calvin/Jordy already. FTR, here is my lineup...Good point about Edelman, but to me that means you should hold him, not sell him for a good bit below his real worth. He finished as like the WR #15 or 17 or so in 1 PPR last year, yeah? He and JT are definitely not just throw ins. Together they're worth at least another 1st round pick, and probably a decent 1st round pick at that. Still could be worth it for Gronk and the other pieces, just wanted to disagree a little about how you framed the deal
Rodgers/Flacco/Foles
Gurley/Mason/Ingram/Martin/Lottery tickets
Dez/Jordy/Calvin/Floyd/Whatever
Gronk/Cameron
I'm gonna struggle to fill WR4 and RB will be spotty... hoping Gurley hits big as a rookie. This team is stacked and has yet to win a playoff game.. getting frustrated.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You need to pass on the AP potential with Gurley and make a lateral move for a "lesser" stud RB if possible.Problem is that's the only way I was making this deal. Been trying to get Gronk in this league for 2 years. He finally beat me down to giving up all this. FTR, Edelman finished 17th in this league last year in PPG... but I think his future production is pretty volatile. His ceiling was probably last year, and while I think he can hit that again many times I don't think he'll hit Welker's prime, and I think he could fall off. What makes it easier to give him up is that I am acquiring another Patriot catcher in the trade and I have Dez/Calvin/Jordy already. FTR, here is my lineup...Good point about Edelman, but to me that means you should hold him, not sell him for a good bit below his real worth. He finished as like the WR #15 or 17 or so in 1 PPR last year, yeah? He and JT are definitely not just throw ins. Together they're worth at least another 1st round pick, and probably a decent 1st round pick at that. Still could be worth it for Gronk and the other pieces, just wanted to disagree a little about how you framed the deal
Rodgers/Flacco/Foles
Gurley/Mason/Ingram/Martin/Lottery tickets
Dez/Jordy/Calvin/Floyd/Whatever
Gronk/Cameron
I'm gonna struggle to fill WR4 and RB will be spotty... hoping Gurley hits big as a rookie. This team is stacked and has yet to win a playoff game.. getting frustrated.
Judging by the thread in the Asst Coach forum, at least 50% of owners would take Gurley for Jeremy Hill.
You do that and I'd feel much better about a playoff run. Gurley is a great prospect, but you need great production. I'm not saying to move him for an aging RB1 or anything, but if you can make a lateral move to a less hyped young stud...do it.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
You're probably right.You need to pass on the AP potential with Gurley and make a lateral move for a "lesser" stud RB if possible.Problem is that's the only way I was making this deal. Been trying to get Gronk in this league for 2 years. He finally beat me down to giving up all this. FTR, Edelman finished 17th in this league last year in PPG... but I think his future production is pretty volatile. His ceiling was probably last year, and while I think he can hit that again many times I don't think he'll hit Welker's prime, and I think he could fall off. What makes it easier to give him up is that I am acquiring another Patriot catcher in the trade and I have Dez/Calvin/Jordy already. FTR, here is my lineup...Good point about Edelman, but to me that means you should hold him, not sell him for a good bit below his real worth. He finished as like the WR #15 or 17 or so in 1 PPR last year, yeah? He and JT are definitely not just throw ins. Together they're worth at least another 1st round pick, and probably a decent 1st round pick at that. Still could be worth it for Gronk and the other pieces, just wanted to disagree a little about how you framed the deal
Rodgers/Flacco/Foles
Gurley/Mason/Ingram/Martin/Lottery tickets
Dez/Jordy/Calvin/Floyd/Whatever
Gronk/Cameron
I'm gonna struggle to fill WR4 and RB will be spotty... hoping Gurley hits big as a rookie. This team is stacked and has yet to win a playoff game.. getting frustrated.
Judging by the thread in the Asst Coach forum, at least 50% of owners would take Gurley for Jeremy Hill.
You do that and I'd feel much better about a playoff run. Gurley is a great prospect, but you need great production. I'm not saying to move him for an aging RB1 or anything, but if you can make a lateral move to a less hyped young stud...do it.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Gurley for hill? Really?
