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Needed 3 points from this stiff to win. Got 1.8. Right back to waivers.
Two words: Chuck Pagano.Until Henry popped that garbage time long one, Mack had the longest run of the game. He appeared in the first drive, split carries with Gore, then he was done. I wonder if he did something dumb like blow a blocking assignment.
Well he probably would have helped them win the game which they apparently aren't interested in. Looking for the next Bjoern Werner.Until Henry popped that garbage time long one, Mack had the longest run of the game. He appeared in the first drive, split carries with Gore, then he was done. I wonder if he did something dumb like blow a blocking assignment.
The carry I saw, Mack tried to bounce outside instead of taking what was blocked, and wound up losing 4 yards.Until Henry popped that garbage time long one, Mack had the longest run of the game. He appeared in the first drive, split carries with Gore, then he was done. I wonder if he did something dumb like blow a blocking assignment.
:brokenrecord:The carry I saw, Mack tried to bounce outside instead of taking what was blocked, and wound up losing 4 yards.
I'd imagine that kind of thing could get him in Pagano's doghouse.
I saw him rip off a 22 yard run straight up the middle.The carry I saw, Mack tried to bounce outside instead of taking what was blocked, and wound up losing 4 yards.
I'd imagine that kind of thing could get him in Pagano's doghouse.
I don't have the snaps in front of me, but he played a decent amount. Turbin played the entire last 2 minutes of each half (until he hurt his elbow), so that limited the work for Mack (& Gore). On several of his plays, they motioned him out wide, and he didn't even seem to run a route. Just stood there, looking at Brissett. They threw him the ball 1 or 2 of those plays, but he dropped both (1 was high, the other I thought he could have caught). Almost like they wanted him on the field, but out wide, as a decoy.SaintsInDome2006 said:Until Henry popped that garbage time long one, Mack had the longest run of the game. He appeared in the first drive, split carries with Gore, then he was done. I wonder if he did something dumb like blow a blocking assignment.
You think that's the play that landed him on the bench? Strange.WiDDoW_MaKeR said:I saw him rip off a 22 yard run straight up the middle.
Meh. He’s as good a lottery ticket as Breida, Collins, or Foreman - any of those guys could be a kingmaker if the circumstances change.need2know said:Really glad I burned my high waiver priority on this turd
I'm gonna hold him. Just wanted to see more last nightMeh. He’s as good a lottery ticket as Breida, Collins, or Foreman - any of those guys could be a kingmaker if the circumstances change.
HB snaps last night:
Gore - 23
Turbin - 21
Mack - 14
Mack should see additional snaps going forward due to the unfortunate (ugly) injury to RT.
Gore has topped 50 yards once this year, has a long of just 21, scores twice in six games, has 100 receiving yards.
The Colts desperately need a playmaker with speed. Mack is currently 2nd in the NFL in 20+ runs. On 27 carries.
In redraft he’s a hold IMO.
Your hope & my analysis both underestimate how irrational Chuck P can be in his management. Not particularly surprising from a team whose owner is the NFL equivalent of Hunter S. Thompson.I'm gonna hold him. Just wanted to see more last night
We are in agreement the team is managed by boobsYour hope & my analysis both underestimate how irrational Chuck P can be in his management. Not particularly surprising from a team whose owner is the NFL equivalent of Hunter S. Thompson.
This is the only thing that will have me hold him for another week. Frank Gore looked pretty good for an old guy, so I can't fault the coaching staff for keeping him in there. Turbin is the short yardage and 3rd down RB. It will be interesting to see who takes those reps now. I would expect Gore or someone else to pick that up, but it's worth a hold for another week to see how things shake out. Mack may have the ability to make some big plays, but generally a rookie in pass protection isn't ideal, so I wouldn't expect him to grab the 3rd down role. However, if Gore takes that 3rd down role, Mack should be given more opportunities to rotate in with him throughout the game to offset the additional usage for Gore.otb_lifer said:Turbin's elbow was bent in ways that are not fit for humans to watch - he will be out at least a month.
don't sack the Mack just yet ...
Depending upon league size and roster size....couldn't this statement apply to virtually every skill player in the NFL?If you can afford the bench spot to hold Mack, I don't think he's a bad hold.
Yes, but the context of the comment I think is more meaningful. Mack is a raw, unproven player whose main asset is his explosiveness on a team that may find itself on the outside of the playoff picture in the next few weeks. With an older FA-to-be RB in front of him whom the team has little invested in and is almost assuredly not going to resign, it's not that difficult to envision the Colts deciding to see what they have in Mack. As I noted, the Colts could be virtually three games out of first place as soon as next week.Depending upon league size and roster size....couldn't this statement apply to virtually every skill player in the NFL?
Mack going off script is the main thing I and others have observed about him in college and that is likely an issue that continues to be a problem with the coaches trusting him.I don't have the snaps in front of me, but he played a decent amount. Turbin played the entire last 2 minutes of each half (until he hurt his elbow), so that limited the work for Mack (& Gore). On several of his plays, they motioned him out wide, and he didn't even seem to run a route. Just stood there, looking at Brissett. They threw him the ball 1 or 2 of those plays, but he dropped both (1 was high, the other I thought he could have caught). Almost like they wanted him on the field, but out wide, as a decoy.
His first run was great. A counter play that was well blocked, and he saw the cut back angle for the big gain. Gore probably gets 7-8 yards on that play (which is good), but Mack's explosiveness allowed him to gain the extra 10 yards or so. But his second run was (what has been) the knock on him; when he doesn't have a big hole, he tries to bounce it outside. I am not sure if he had a crease where he could have plowed through for a short gain (waiting for SSND's video cut-ups), but he lost 4 yards, and put them in a negative down & distance situation when they were driving. They ended up settling for a FG. During the SNF game, Collinsworth made a comment about Darkwa/Gallman that I hadn't heard before where he said the coaches told him that Darkwa always runs the plays as drawn up, while Gallman doesn't always do so. Several podcasts I listened to yesterday (Harris football, and maybe the Audible) commented on this. They said they hadn't heard it, but if the coaches are seeing that in practice, that'd explain why Darkwa gets more work than Gallman if the coaches trust him to run the plays the way they want them run. It's probably a similar situation with Gore/Mack. The Ind coaches probably are seeing Mack "freelance" in practice & are waiting until they can trust him to run the plays the way they trust Gore. As I've posted previously, the idea that Mack will supplant a healthy Gore to the tune of 60% Mack/40% Gore isn't realistic.
That being said, with Turbin (likely) out for a while, that could change the dynamic. Maybe Mack gets more of those 2 minute drill touches/short-yardage touches? Maybe Gore does (he was in there after Turbin got hurt last night). Time will tell.
No.Depending upon league size and roster size....couldn't this statement apply to virtually every skill player in the NFL?
Don't worry, they'll find 5 or 6 backs off the street to play ahead of Mack.Turbin out for the year
I'm almost there with you. Want to see a week without turbinBobbyLayne said:I’m sure Chuck Pagano is a fine human being, but as a HC his decision making thought process is...interesting.
exhibit A
exhibit B
exhibit C
Look, I didn’t just achieve Absolute Zero, Indy fans & AFC South fans have known this for years, right? Amazing this guy has a job. Yeah, yeah, .600 win percentage. Can’t even win the easiest division two years running.
I’m dropping Mack solely on my assessment of Pagano’s ability to make good decisions. That guy is gonna run Gore into the line until he drops dead.
Probably a good idea. He’s a dynamic talent so giving him Turbin’s targets would get him into open space.I'm almost there with you. Want to see a week without turbin
No. But I've been wrong beforeProbably a good idea. He’s a dynamic talent so giving him Turbin’s targets would get him into open space.
Think Chuck will do it? See exhibit B in my prior post.
This is really the key, how many lottery tickets are left on your WW.I’m holding, it’s not like the ww is any better
LOL.“A lot of Frank (Gore), a lot of (Marlon) Mack. Mack and Frank. Frank and Mack. Mac and cheese. Whatever you want to call it. We’re going with Frank and Mack. Frank and Mack attack,” said Pagano.
I have plenty of doubts about Mack being a full workload RB. He doesn't strike me as a 20+ touches kind of guy, at least yet. Lots of runs that he's bounced too often so I'd imagine there is still some sort of timeshare. That being said I'd expect Mack to handle most of the opportunity going forward if Gore is traded away.Sounds like gore may get traded. That would help
Marlon Mack is recovering from offseason shoulder surgery.
After the draft, GM Chris Ballard revealed Mack played his entire rookie season with a torn labrum. It's unclear when the surgery took place, but it would be disappointing if Mack wanted until recently to have the operation. Ballard said he expects Mack back for training camp. Mack is penciled in atop the Colts' running back depth chart, but Robert Turbin and rookies Nyheim Hines and Jordan Wilkins will push for snaps. Mack seems likely to miss all of OTAs and minicamp.
Source: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
May 2 - 1:09 PM
An opportunity now for Hines and Wilkins. It won't take coaches long to get sick of of a running back stalling, running sideways, backwards, and failing jukes only to gain a yard or worse. Only defensive coordinators like 2nd and 11.No one posted it because he doesn't deserve to be associated with something so cool. Dude is all flash and no substance; amazingly inconsistent and allergic to running inside.
I really wish the thread title would change. Every time I glance at it, I get that terrible song in my head.Bracie Smathers said:Come on.
With this thread title, Return of the Mack...Marlon Mack, RB, Indy, I'm shocked no one posted this yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB1D9wWxd2w
Or even this...
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