Because many on the Left hate the flag and everything it stands for. https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1402218237048279041?s=20I closed on my house 11 years ago today, but it is mostly a forgotten holiday. I wonder why that is?
Missing the context there on purpose to make a generalized insult towards the left?Because many on the Left hate the flag and everything it stands for. https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1402218237048279041?s=20
She said she was disturbed by American flags on pickup trucks which to her meant “this is my country not your country”. That is a common trend amongst Liberals today - they equate the flag with whiteness.Missing the context there on purpose to make a generalized insult towards the left?
She also said, prior to your highlighted comments, "I was on Long Island this weekend ... and I was really disturbed. I saw, you know, dozens & dozens of pickup trucks w/ expletives against Joe Biden ... Trump flags,..."She said she was disturbed by American flags on pickup trucks which to her meant “this is my country not your country”. That is a common trend amongst Liberals today - they equate the flag with whiteness.
Thats isn’t all she said though, was it? And it seemed clear it was about those taking on Trump and the flag and acting as if that made them Patriots when an image we now have is Trump supporters using a flag as a weapon against Capitol police.She said she was disturbed by American flags on pickup trucks which to her meant “this is my country not your country”. That is a common trend amongst Liberals today - they equate the flag with whiteness.
You know this was a nice thread. Something that, like the OP wrote, everyone could get behind. And you had to go and ruin it with this nonsense.Because many on the Left hate the flag and everything it stands for.
Very few. Even Colin Kaepernick has never said he hates the flag, only that “I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."You know this was a nice thread. Something that, like the OP wrote, everyone could get behind. And you had to go and ruin it with this nonsense.
It’s not “many on the left”. Only a tiny number on the left hate the flag, and a tiny number on the right hate it too. Most of us, left and right and center, feel much love for this piece of cloth.
If that’s disrespectful, how much more so putting it on swimsuits, underwear, or even napkins?If you aren't aware of how disrespectful it is to drag a US flag around on your pickup truck, you're part of the problem, not a patriot. We covered this in the Memorial Day thread already, but what I see daily in how the average American treats our flag is blatantly disgusting. Dragging it around on the back of a pickup truck is but one example.
Don't get me started GB....those right up there. Could have used you in the Memorial Day thread where people got pissy with me because I didn't like their irreverent treatment towards our flag.If that’s disrespectful, how much more so putting it on swimsuits, underwear, or even napkins?
If that’s disrespectful, how much more so putting it on swimsuits, underwear, or even napkins?
https://twitter.com/CortesSteve/status/1404435115040718860Don't get me started GB....those right up there. Could have used you in the Memorial Day thread where people got pissy with me because I didn't like their irreverent treatment towards our flag.
Disgusting
Pretty much
Meh. Not all images of the stars and stripes are flags. This guy isn't wearing a flag and not disrespecting anything (except maybe good taste).Disgusting
No. I quoted the exact context. She went from saying the bit about Trump flags and then went on to an entirely separate comment about the American flag. Here is what she said exactly: “and in some cases just dozens of American flags, which is also just disturbing because essentially the message was clear. It was ‘This is my country. This is not your country. I own this’”. The also is the operative word here. She went out of her way to distinguish the American flag as also being disturbing. And Mighty Mika was saying “Yes, yes” to that sentiment in the background. It is what it is. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t real.She also said, prior to your highlighted comments, "I was on Long Island this weekend ... and I was really disturbed. I saw, you know, dozens & dozens of pickup trucks w/ expletives against Joe Biden ... Trump flags,..."
In order to be that change let's not go full on MSM and take things out of context.
How many of those cloth American flags were on the center stage on the 2016 Democratic national Convention on day 1? It's a statement of fact that a portion of today's Leftists don't have a love for the American flag. Not a majority mind you, but enough so that I believe it is noteworthy and a problem. This shouldn't be news to anyone here. Just watch a sporting event and see all the athletes disrespecting the national anthem and the flag. This shouldn't be a news flash to anyone in here - a not insignificant portion of Leftists today aren't all that crazy about America, the flag, or what it represents. And I didn't ruin this thread, I answered a question honestly. Sorry if you don't like the truth. Maybe spend some time coming down on the radicals in your party who disrespect the flag and the anthem - it's within your right to do this.You know this was a nice thread. Something that, like the OP wrote, everyone could get behind. And you had to go and ruin it with this nonsense.
It’s not “many on the left”. Only a tiny number on the left hate the flag, and a tiny number on the right hate it too. Most of us, left and right and center, feel much love for this piece of cloth.
We'll agree to disagreeMeh. Not all images of the stars and stripes are flags. This guy isn't wearing a flag and not disrespecting anything (except maybe good taste).
So unless it is a cloth flag, it doesn't count? I don't believe a group of people or an organization is more or less patriotic or love America more or less than depending on the number of flags they put on display when they meet.How many of those cloth American flags were on the center stage on the 2016 Democratic national Convention on day 1? It's a statement of fact that a portion of today's Leftists don't have a love for the American flag. Not a majority mind you, but enough so that I believe it is noteworthy and a problem. This shouldn't be news to anyone here. Just watch a sporting event and see all the athletes disrespecting the national anthem and the flag. This shouldn't be a news flash to anyone in here - a not insignificant portion of Leftists today aren't all that crazy about America, the flag, or what it represents. And I didn't ruin this thread, I answered a question honestly. Sorry if you don't like the truth. Maybe spend some time coming down on the radicals in your party who disrespect the flag and the anthem - it's within your right to do this.
It wasn’t an entirely separate comment is the point. It was all a part of her point.No. I quoted the exact context. She went from saying the bit about Trump flags and then went on to an entirely separate comment about the American flag. Here is what she said exactly: “and in some cases just dozens of American flags, which is also just disturbing because essentially the message was clear. It was ‘This is my country. This is not your country. I own this’”. The also is the operative word here. She went out of her way to distinguish the American flag as also being disturbing. And Mighty Mika was saying “Yes, yes” to that sentiment in the background. It is what it is. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t real.
Fair enough but there are stars and stripes on plates, cups, decals, stickers, pins, toys, sheet cakes, etc. I have a feeling you're going to be pretty offended in a couple of weeks.We'll agree to disagree
Stuff like this is as unacceptable as the bathing suit ones I see freakin' everywhere.
It doesn't offend, but I am left feeling very disappointed several times during the year for sure.Fair enough but there are stars and stripes on plates, cups, decals, stickers, pins, toys, sheet cakes, etc. I have a feeling you're going to be pretty offended in a couple of weeks.
To me the important thing is the intent. Burning, cutting, tossing mud on old glory is offensive to me, a guy wearing stars and stripes shorts? Meh, give me a beer.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a flag dragged on a pickup truck. Ever. I have seen it flown many times, by people who love this country.If you aren't aware of how disrespectful it is to drag a US flag around on your pickup truck, you're part of the problem, not a patriot. We covered this in the Memorial Day thread already, but what I see daily in how the average American treats our flag is blatantly disgusting. Dragging it around on the back of a pickup truck is but one example.
How did you feel about Kaepernick and others kneeling during the anthem? Did you speak out about it in here?Don't get me started GB....those right up there. Could have used you in the Memorial Day thread where people got pissy with me because I didn't like their irreverent treatment towards our flag.
You mean expressing a First Amendment right to freedom of speech? It's odd how some people can be so wrapped up in a symbol, but ignore what it represents.How did you feel about Kaepernick and others kneeling during the anthem? Did you speak out about it in here?
Nevermind - I read the last few pages of that thread. You support the protesters doing it during the anthem, which is weird considering your rigid position on respecting the flag. No worries - to each his own.How did you feel about Kaepernick and others kneeling during the anthem? Did you speak out about it in here?
And I am allowed to express my first amendment right in saying that it’s disgusting and disrespectful to those in my family and in other families who have fought and died for that flag and that first amendment right. It gets back to my original point - the people disrespecting that flag are almost always Liberals.You mean expressing a First Amendment right to freedom of speech? It's odd how some people can be so wrapped up in a symbol, but ignore what it represents.
How is it that they fought and died for that first amendment right but exercising that right is disrespectful? Seems like not exercising that right would mean their sacrifice was meaningless.And I am allowed to express my first amendment right in saying that it’s disgusting and disrespectful to those in my family and in other families who have fought and died for that flag and that first amendment right. It gets back to my original point - the people disrespecting that flag are almost always Liberals.
Oof. I’m going to be kind and sit this one out.How is it that they fought and died for that first amendment right but exercising that right is disrespectful? Seems like not exercising that right would mean their sacrifice was meaningless.
Funny that trying to overthrow the government on January 6 is free speech, but someone kneeling over a cause they believe in is some form of liberal disrespect.
I thought it was the wrong way to go about it personally but I understood his point, but that's about the anthem. I'm talking about our flag. As a matter of fact, I believe when people tried to conflate the two in that thread, I believe I even made the observation that I'd never seen people as upset with Kaep also upset with those who don't treat our flag with respect on a daily basis. So yeah, I brought it up in that thread....though it was never acknowledged by anyone that I know of.....I didn't spend much time in that pissing match thread.How did you feel about Kaepernick and others kneeling during the anthem? Did you speak out about it in here?
Really? Googgle "US flag back of pickup truck" and you'll see it everywhere. I see it here all the time and often times along side a Confederate Flag or some other political flag. To be clear, if one thinks it's being "flown" simply because it's on a pole on the back of a truck and not literally on the ground you're wrong. I even see them on the back of fire trucks. That's not right.I don’t think I’ve ever seen a flag dragged on a pickup truck. Ever. I have seen it flown many times, by people who love this country.
How disrespectful is it to burn them in riot situations?If you aren't aware of how disrespectful it is to drag a US flag around on your pickup truck, you're part of the problem, not a patriot. We covered this in the Memorial Day thread already, but what I see daily in how the average American treats our flag is blatantly disgusting. Dragging it around on the back of a pickup truck is but one example.
VeryHow disrespectful is it to burn them in riot situations?
I was at the largest flag day celebration this weekend in Three Oaks, Mi.
What I was getting at is dragged is not the right word there. I have to say, I find it beyond strange that you get so uptight about the perfect conditions for flying a flag but you don't seem to care about people protesting during the national anthem.The Commish said:Really? Googgle "US flag back of pickup truck" and you'll see it everywhere. I see it here all the time and often times along side a Confederate Flag or some other political flag. To be clear, if one thinks it's being "flown" simply because it's on a pole on the back of a truck and not literally on the ground you're wrong. I even see them on the back of fire trucks. That's not right.
Kaepernick was against having to participate in a public show of patriotism that he didn't believe in, as I noted earlier his words at the time:What I was getting at is dragged is not the right word there. I have to say, I find it beyond strange that you get so uptight about the perfect conditions for flying a flag but you don't seem to care about people protesting during the national anthem.
Based on what exactly? I'm not confident you've ever read my full opinion on protesting during the national anthem. I made it clear in the Kaep thread of course, but it's clear you didn't read it there or you wouldn't have had to ask me the questions you did. But again, that's the anthem. Here we were/are talking about the flag.What I was getting at is dragged is not the right word there. I have to say, I find it beyond strange that you get so uptight about the perfect conditions for flying a flag but you don't seem to care about people protesting during the national anthem.
I am not sure why anyone who doesn't watch Fox News should care about her views on the flag.I know, just another random person who happens to be Liberal. No trends here.
Macy Gray's call for a new American flag receives mixed reactions: 'Now the flag is too white?!'
Macy Gray is facing criticism over her call for a new American flag.
On Thursday, the Grammy-winning singer shared an op-ed on MarketWatch that said the current flag serves as a "replacement" to the Confederate flag, which she called "a symbol of opposition to the abolishment of slavery."
She continued, calling the flag "tattered, dated, divisive, and incorrect" and claiming that "it no longer represents democracy and freedom."
Gray called into question the symbolism of the colors on the current American flag and the number of stars, suggesting that 62 years after it was designed, it's time to "reset" the flag.
It seems many did not take kindly to the "I Try" singer's idea, and shared their thoughts online.
Singer Macy Gray suggested the American flag be redesigned. (Photo by Paula Lobo/Walt Disney Television via Getty Images)
"WTAF?! Now the flag is too white?!" tweeted a reader. "Maybe Macy Gray needs to spend some time with our service members for a little perspective."
"Macy Gray should recognize that the Flag she wants to replace was the Flag that these soldiers died under while trying to free African-American slaves from Democrats," said another.
Added a third: "Cancel Macy Gray and anyone else that has a problem with the American Flag."
There were others, however, who echoed the musician's sentiments.
"Ironic, those denouncing Macy Gray are the same ones who applaud the Insurrectionists who beat Capitol police w/American flags," wrote a Twitter user. They also support autocracy & Putin. So which red, white & blue are you supporting? The hypocrisy is galling.
"If you have any flags, stickers, shirts, masks, or anything else that has the thin blue line, Confederate flag, or that dumb Trump flag, you have no right to be upset that Macy Gray wants a redesign of the US flag (which has been done many times)," another said.
Gray is best known for her hit "I Try." In April, she and her new band, Macy Gray and The California Jet Club, released their debut single, "Thinking of You."
You should come to Florida.....I guess that alone can't make you "see" it, but there's plenty here if you choose to be honest about it.No trend here either it is so strange that the only time I see people disrespecting the flag it always seems to be Liberals.
I like that 2nd topic. I often wonder where they’d put that 51st star.I love the American flag so much I have started TWO different substantive threads about it at footballguys. You people that have only started one flag-related thread should be ashamed of yourself.
My two threads:
Is the American Flag tacky?
Is it weird that the United States has to change its flag every time there was [sic] a new state?