John Harbaugh: 'The injury report has no value' (1 Viewer)

[3optic]

I have to agree here, FF considerations aside. Who does the injury report help?

A week after the Ravens were fined $20,000 by the NFL for not listing Ed Reed on the injury report, their head coach John Harbaugh said that the team will cite every “hangnail” going forward, and questioned the validity of the weekly report, Jeff Zrebiec of the Baltimore Sun reports.

“There’s no credence on the injury report now,” Harbaugh said. “It doesn’t mean anything. It has no value. The injury report has no value.”

Harbaugh’s rant, which he acknowledged will probably result in another fine from the league, was prompted by a question about whether he was surprised that Sunday’s opponent, the Cleveland Browns, listed 19 players on the report this week.

After including only a handful of players on the report for the first seven weeks, the Ravens listed 16 players this week, a result of being fined by the league following Reed’s admission that he had been playing most of the season with a slightly torn labrum. The Ravens never listed him because the Pro Bowl safety hadn’t missed any game or practice time with the injury.

“If a guy that goes out there and doesn’t miss a practice and doesn’t miss a game and doesn’t want to be on the injury report and we have to put him on the injury report, I want the league’s answer on that,” Harbaugh said. “I’m looking forward to hearing that.”

Harbaugh also questioned the wording of the league’s injury report policy which states, “All players with significant or noteworthy injuries must be listed on the report, even if the player takes all the reps in practice, and even if the team is certain that he will play in the upcoming game. This is especially true of key players and those players whose injuries have been covered extensively by the media.”

“I’ll go back to the significance thing. The way the thing is written, it says, ‘if a player has practiced fully or played fully and he has an injury and he is a significant player and it affects his play, then he should be on there.’ Well, I think player safety is important for all of the players. I’m going to say that every injury is significant,” Harbaugh said. “If that’s how they want to word it, I’m not going to go with the league saying that one player is more significant than another player. That’s absurd to me. They can get mad at me if they want for saying that, but they need to write that a little more clearly. We’ll just put every guy on there that has a hangnail and go from there.”

Harbaugh took it further, wondering how the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) factors into it. The HIPAA Privacy Rule protects the privacy of certain personal health information.

“Aren’t there HIPAA rights here?,” Harbaugh asked. “If I’m a player and I’ve been out there playing and I don’t want that on the injury report and I’m told I have to put that on the injury report, we’ve got some players that resent that. So yeah, I got a problem with that in all honesty.”

 

[Da Guru]

Viva Las Vegas.... that is the only place it has value.

 

[Morton Muffley]

I thought the answer was obvious...it's Vegas

 

[Red Herring]

Its purely for gambling purposes, be it Vegas or FF or whatever else. The NFL needs to either admit the obvious: that a large portion of its popularity is due to gambling, or else stop with the fines when coaches play fast and loose with the injury report rules.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I have to agree here, FF considerations aside. Who does the injury report help?

A week after the Ravens were fined $20,000 by the NFL for not listing Ed Reed on the injury report, their head coach John Harbaugh said that the team will cite every “hangnail” going forward, and questioned the validity of the weekly report, Jeff Zrebiec of the Baltimore Sun reports.

“There’s no credence on the injury report now,” Harbaugh said. “It doesn’t mean anything. It has no value. The injury report has no value.”

Harbaugh’s rant, which he acknowledged will probably result in another fine from the league, was prompted by a question about whether he was surprised that Sunday’s opponent, the Cleveland Browns, listed 19 players on the report this week.

After including only a handful of players on the report for the first seven weeks, the Ravens listed 16 players this week, a result of being fined by the league following Reed’s admission that he had been playing most of the season with a slightly torn labrum. The Ravens never listed him because the Pro Bowl safety hadn’t missed any game or practice time with the injury.

“If a guy that goes out there and doesn’t miss a practice and doesn’t miss a game and doesn’t want to be on the injury report and we have to put him on the injury report, I want the league’s answer on that,” Harbaugh said. “I’m looking forward to hearing that.”

Harbaugh also questioned the wording of the league’s injury report policy which states, “All players with significant or noteworthy injuries must be listed on the report, even if the player takes all the reps in practice, and even if the team is certain that he will play in the upcoming game. This is especially true of key players and those players whose injuries have been covered extensively by the media.”

“I’ll go back to the significance thing. The way the thing is written, it says, ‘if a player has practiced fully or played fully and he has an injury and he is a significant player and it affects his play, then he should be on there.’ Well, I think player safety is important for all of the players. I’m going to say that every injury is significant,” Harbaugh said. “If that’s how they want to word it, I’m not going to go with the league saying that one player is more significant than another player. That’s absurd to me. They can get mad at me if they want for saying that, but they need to write that a little more clearly. We’ll just put every guy on there that has a hangnail and go from there.”

Harbaugh took it further, wondering how the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) factors into it. The HIPAA Privacy Rule protects the privacy of certain personal health information.

“Aren’t there HIPAA rights here?,” Harbaugh asked. 'If I’m a player and I’ve been out there playing and I don’t want that on the injury report and I’m told I have to put that on the injury report, we’ve got some players that resent that. So yeah, I got a problem with that in all honesty.”

THAT should be the biggest issue.

 

[Please See Mine]

HIPAA? lmfao.

I always assumed that those rights were waived as part of the CBA. I think that there was some discussion about it with the MAclin illness last summer.

Suddenly Harbaugh cares about HIPAA because they got called out about the violation. And I agree that it is pretty dumb. I assume that the biggest issue is that he doesn't want the other team to try to aggravate injuries of guys on his team. But I guess that it is important to know (mostly to gamblers, as noted abovE) if a player has even a slightly increased chance of further injury. Like Trent Richardson listed as questionable even though fully practicing.

Old story anyway. IS Brady still listed as probably every week?

 

[TakiToki]

Wouldn't HIPAA concern the team doctors divulging information to non-medical team employees (e.g., coaches), as opposed to the team disclosing the information to the public? I also always assumed those rights were waived in the CBA.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The HIPAA Privacy regulations require health care providers and organizations, as well as their business associates, develop and follow procedures that ensure the confidentiality and security of protected health information (PHI) when it is transferred, received, handled, or shared. This applies to all forms of PHI, including paper, oral, and electronic, etc. Furthermore, only the minimum health information necessary to conduct business is to be used or shared.

 

[ratbast]

"......Furthermore, only the minimum health information necessary to conduct business is to be used or shared."

 

[Bigboy10182000]

"......Furthermore, only the minimum health information necessary to conduct business is to be used or shared."

And by minimum they mean minimum. Unless the CBA has something that waives it then Harbaugh has a legit gripe with that.

 

[SacramentoBob]

"......Furthermore, only the minimum health information necessary to conduct business is to be used or shared."

And by minimum they mean minimum. Unless the CBA has something that waives it then Harbaugh has a legit gripe with that.

This seems almost certainly to be the case.

 

[3optic]

Its purely for gambling purposes, be it Vegas or FF or whatever else. The NFL needs to either admit the obvious: that a large portion of its popularity is due to gambling, or else stop with the fines when coaches play fast and loose with the injury report rules.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Its purely for gambling purposes, be it Vegas or FF or whatever else. The NFL needs to either admit the obvious: that a large portion of its popularity is due to gambling, or else stop with the fines when coaches play fast and loose with the injury report rules.

I love that scene.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Harbaugh and his brother sure whine a lot.

Belichick phoned and said take a number.

 

[SWC]

you know what else has no value zero has no value that is what brohans bam math in action take that to the bank

 

[Not Sleeping]

you know what else has no value zero has no value that is what brohans bam math in action take that to the bank

gobble gobble turkey

 

[msommer]

you know what else has no value zero has no value that is what brohans bam math in action take that to the bank

Can anyone make sense of this - or does it have zero value?

 

[Clifford]

I think if harbaugh doesn't list every single active player as questionable - hangnail he is doing this wrong.

 

[Wreckincrew]

you know what else has no value zero has no value that is what brohans bam math in action take that to the bank

Can anyone make sense of this - or does it have zero value?

It's math in action! Bam!Are the Ravens making him pay the fine? No? Then just collect your $3M salary for watching other guys play a game and shut your piehole.

 

[footballnerd]

you know what else has no value, zero has no value, that is what brohans, bam math in action, take that to the bank

Can anyone make sense of this - or does it have zero value?

fixedby the way, coaches don't have to truly disclose the injury.........some practically just say he's questionable, end quote

 

[Holy Schneikes]

The injury report is kind of a joke the way it is used now from an NFL perspective. That said, even as it is, it provides a TON of value to the FF community. If teams didn't have to tell anyone when a player was questionable or even "out", that would be tough.

Vegas isn't the only community that gets value from the injury report. And it isn't the only community driving the success of the sport.

 

[JamesTheScot]

Its purely for gambling purposes, be it Vegas or FF or whatever else. The NFL needs to either admit the obvious: that a large portion of its popularity is due to gambling, or else stop with the fines when coaches play fast and loose with the injury report rules.

Why should the NFL admit it if it's obvious? What new information would an admission provide? It's hypocritical to demand an admission when you already know the truth and are #####ing about someone having an ulterior motive.Yes, the injury report helps people predict outcomes of games. So what? OMG, gamblers want to know who is injured! Again, so what?

 

[JamesTheScot]

you know what else has no value zero has no value that is what brohans bam math in action take that to the bank

Can anyone make sense of this - or does it have zero value?

Why do people feed the troll?Doh, now I am too.

 

[Christo]

The HIPAA Privacy regulations require health care providers and organizations, as well as their business associates, develop and follow procedures that ensure the confidentiality and security of protected health information (PHI) when it is transferred, received, handled, or shared. This applies to all forms of PHI, including paper, oral, and electronic, etc. Furthermore, only the minimum health information necessary to conduct business is to be used or shared.

That really doesn't help us. What is meant by "protected health information"? Is the fact that a team believes a player is "Questionable" to play in the next game "protected health information"?

 

[Christo]

Here we go:

Protected health information means individually identifiable health information:

(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2) of this definition, that is:

(i) Transmitted by electronic media;

(ii) Maintained in electronic media; or

(iii) Transmitted or maintained in any other form or medium.

(2) Protected health information excludes individually identifiable health information in:

(i) Education records covered by the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, as amended, 20 U.S.C. 1232g;

(ii) Records described at 20 U.S.C. 1232g(a)(4)(B)(iv); and

(iii) Employment records held by a covered entity in its role as employer.

45 C.F.R. 160.103