Yeah old school league since 1999.you use yahoo?
Such bs. The offense wasn’t even on the field. Special teams was. It seems so cut and dry to me.FBG contest and MFL are not either, apparently it's offensive play, rushing TD
Same way they scored it Jags the exact same play up 37-0 versus Baltimore.Such bs. The offense wasn’t even on the field. Special teams was. It seems so cut and dry to me.
No. The NFL considers all kick returns to be "Special Teams". Anytime the ball is kicked (and it crosses the LOS), it's a Special Teams play.guess a punt return td is a rushing td too then?
As stated above until the ball is kicked it isn't a special team play, it is cut and dry to you because you are grasping for points.Such bs. The offense wasn’t even on the field. Special teams was. It seems so cut and dry to me.
doesn't really seem like an apt analogyguess a punt return td is a rushing td too then?
ThisIt's an offensive trick play on fourth down, not a special teams play.
Update your phone and your league scoring settings and all will be well again.Some very bitter people on here, man. All I️ was saying is that I️ think it’s bs that that wouldn’t be a DST td. And I️ maintain that. I️ don’t care what the mfl rules are. Special teams were on the field and special team players scored the td. I️ understand the interpretation that it was a 4th down play and thus was registered as a rushing td.
Philosophically I️ disagree with it. No need to chastise me about my league or how I’m chasing pts. Jeez.
Eta - iPhone autocorrect glitch is wrecking the posts.
So if the Steelers have Roethlisberger pooch punt on 3rd-and-forever, that shouldn't count as a special teams play because the offense was on the field? What about when the Cards/Colts used to use punter Tom Tupa as a QB? Should all of his rushing and passing stats have counted for their DSTs?rickyg said:Such bs. The offense wasn’t even on the field. Special teams was. It seems so cut and dry to me.
The update to fix the bug has been out for days... what are you waiting for?rickyg said:Some very bitter people on here, man. All I️ was saying is that I️ think it’s bs that that wouldn’t be a DST td. And I️ maintain that. I️ don’t care what the mfl rules are. Special teams were on the field and special team players scored the td. I️ understand the interpretation that it was a 4th down play and thus was registered as a rushing td.
Philosophically I️ disagree with it. No need to chastise me about my league or how I’m chasing pts. Jeez.
Eta - iPhone autocorrect glitch is wrecking the posts.
This is discussed every year. It's an offensive play - PERIOD.rickyg said:In yahoo leagues why would that not be a score for your DST? It was special teams that scored!
seems you're the most bitter person in the thread to be honest.rickyg said:Some very bitter people on here, man.
Special teams comes into play as soon as the ball is kicked! No kick, no special teams... it was an offensive play.rickyg said:guess a punt return td is a rushing td too then?
Honest question.Special teams comes into play as soon as the ball is kicked! No kick, no special teams... it was an offensive play.
No they weren't and no they didn't.rickyg said:Special teams were on the field and special team players scored the td.
If a kick were to be blocked and the kicking team recovered it and managed to be a TD would it be an offensive TD or a special teams TD? I would think it would be a special teams TD since it was kicked even though possession was not changed.Insein said:Possession didn't change thus making it not special teams. It's just an offensive play with the punter as the QB.
It is not a sack because the play was not a pass play. The kicker would be charged with negative rushing yards for the loss on the play.Honest question.
If a team goes to punt or kick a field goal and it's a bad snap and the kicker falls on it (it's never kicked). How is that scored?
Is that a sack for the defense? It's not a special teams blocked kick.
TBF, he has a point though. The reason the play even works to begin with is because the defense thinks it is a special teams play. The punting unit is on the field (thus it is technically, for intents and purposes, a special teams play). Rather than punt the ball, the special teams unit chooses to run a trick play and either run or throw the ball for the first down, resulting in a freak instance of a resulting TD.msudaisy26 said:As stated above until the ball is kicked it isn't a special team play, it is cut and dry to you because you are grasping for points.
Not a ST play until it's kicked.rickyg said:Such bs. The offense wasn’t even on the field. Special teams was. It seems so cut and dry to me.
Following up: Garo Yepremian's attempted throw after kicking the ball was a special teams play. It counts as a blocked kick and a fumble, returned for TD by the ST. If he had successfully managed to throw it to a Dolphin, they would have been penalized for an illegal forward pass, because while he can recover it and advance the ball, he can't throw it because it's now a special teams play.It is not a sack because the play was not a pass play. The kicker would be charged with negative rushing yards for the loss on the play.
Because the ball wasn't kicked, it really is that simple. Sometimes simple, straight-forward rules are the best - this is one of those times.How that doesn't count as a special teams play is beyond me.
Defensive TD which would be a moot point as Defense and ST are usually combined.If a kick were to be blocked and the kicking team recovered it and managed to be a TD would it be an offensive TD or a special teams TD? I would think it would be a special teams TD since it was kicked even though possession was not changed.
How is it a defensive TD when you're on offense kicking it? If the other team didn't recover it you're technically still on offense, right?Defensive TD which would be a moot point as Defense and ST are usually combined.
What makes special teams special is changing of possession via kick.
I misread what you said. I thought you said a blocked kick and the blockers scored.How is it a defensive TD when you're on offense kicking it? If the other team didn't recover it you're technically still on offense, right?
You know what I'm saying though. I even acknowledged that the NFL defines it this way. But that's not the discussion, here. It's whether the NFL should define it this way, because again... for everyone but the dictionary that play was a special teams play. Special teams were on the field. The punter was on the field... and that's the only reason a trick play like that works... because everyone assumes it is a punt (which is the special teams unit).Because the ball wasn't kicked, it really is that simple. Sometimes simple, straight-forward rules are the best - this is one of those times.
I'm not talking about the NFL definition of a special teams play, I'm talking about the FF definition of a special teams play in regards to defense / special team scoring. It's not a special teams play until the ball is kicked... no gray areas, simple is better.You know what I'm saying though. I even acknowledged that the NFL defines it this way. But that's not the discussion, here. It's whether the NFL should define it this way, because again... for everyone but the dictionary that play was a special teams play. Special teams were on the field. The punter was on the field... and that's the only reason a trick play like that works... because everyone assumes it is a punt (which is the special teams unit).
Actually the bad snap would be scored as a fumble (aborted) on the center, and the kicker falling on it would get the recovery. He would only lose yardage if he ran after scooping up the bad snap.It is not a sack because the play was not a pass play. The kicker would be charged with negative rushing yards for the loss on the play.
So if he just fell on it who does the loss of yards get charged to? Team rushing? I always thought the person that recovered the fumble would get the loss of yardage charged to them.Actually the bad snap would be scored as a fumble (aborted) on the center, and the kicker falling on it would get the recovery. He would only lose yardage if he ran after scooping up the bad snap.
Now if the kicker GETS the snap, runs around and gets tackled, then it would be a negative rush or sack depending on whether or not he was judged to be attempting to pass.
They go the same place that losing yards on a fumble go. If your RB rushes six gets hit, the ball pops out, and is recovered four yards behind where the RB was hit, the RB gets the six rush yards and the lost fumble. No one gets credit for the four yards it moved while unpossessed. This usually shows up in live scoring as "yardage changed on change of possession" or some such.So if he just fell on it who does the loss of yards get charged to? Team rushing? I always thought the person that recovered the fumble would get the loss of yardage charged to them.
I saw a list of football rules for a high school association (so I am guessing it would be similar in the NFL):So if he just fell on it who does the loss of yards get charged to? Team rushing? I always thought the person that recovered the fumble would get the loss of yardage charged to them.
I'm 100% sure this one is different in the NFL. Just look at any of the crazy fumblerooski multilateral games. The total yardage of the play is not assigned to tye first guy to carry. He gets yards to the point of his fumble or lateral, tyen the next guy gets yards till his, etc.I saw a list of football rules for a high school association (so I am guessing it would be similar in the NFL):
"Fumble – Bad Handoff
Ex. 1 – Back 22 takes a handoff and runs 15 yards and fumbles. A teammate or opponent recovers 5 yards in advance but does not advance. Credit the back with a rush and a 20-yard gain and a fumble recovery for the individual who recovered. If the player who recovers the fumble advances the original ball carrier gets the yards to the point of recovery; the recovering player gets a fumble recovery and the return yards from the point of the recovery to where his run ends.
Okay, it was a special teams play. I don’t think I’ve seen a set of league rules under which that would matter.You know what I'm saying though. I even acknowledged that the NFL defines it this way. But that's not the discussion, here. It's whether the NFL should define it this way, because again... for everyone but the dictionary that play was a special teams play. Special teams were on the field. The punter was on the field... and that's the only reason a trick play like that works... because everyone assumes it is a punt (which is the special teams unit).
For this one, it depends on the time of the game. Inside two minutes of each half I believe the only offensive player that can advance the ball on the fumble is the ball carrier. Not sure what happens for accounting purposes the rest of the time.I'm 100% sure this one is different in the NFL. Just look at any of the crazy fumblerooski multilateral games. The total yardage of the play is not assigned to tye first guy to carry. He gets yards to the point of his fumble or lateral, tyen the next guy gets yards till his, etc.
Pretty sure additional yardage from forward fumbles are still not credited to the fumbling player.For this one, it depends on the time of the game. Inside two minutes of each half I believe the only offensive player that can advance the ball on the fumble is the ball carrier. Not sure what happens for accounting purposes the rest of the time.