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January 6 Defendants & Discussion (4 Viewers)

Court schedules hearing for August 4 in US Capitol case Karl Dresch of Michigan 

Dresch allegedly sent chilling messages after the riot, celebrating mayhem....

warning of "snitches"

"It was grand...best day ever"

"F**heads up there are mass snitching me to feds"

He seems bitter.

 
Plea agreement hearing For Erick Rau this morning.

Feds cite surveillance images from inside US Capitol, search warrant for GOOGLE records & alleged call between Rau and US Marshals about another Jan 6 defendant....
 

Rau is pleading guilty to a *misdemeanor* .... DISORDERLY CONDUCT in Capitol Building

Maximum sentence is 6 months in jail and $5,000 fine.

Rau admits walking into a private conference room while unlawfully inside the Capitol.

Rau will NOT be held in jail pending sentencing.

 
Government Debunks the Portland - Jan 6 Comparisons

The government just responded to January 6 defendant Garret Miller’s claim of selective prosecution. Miller is charged with assault and civil disorder, obstruction, and — for threats against AOC and the officer who shot Ashli Babbit — interstate threats.

On January 15, 2021, MILLER admitted in a Facebook chat that he is “happy to make death threats so I been just off the rails tonight lol,” and is “happy to be banned now [from Twitter].” When asked whether the police know his name, he responded, “t might be time for me to …. Be hard to locate.”

Last month, Miller filed two motions claiming selective prosecution (for discovery, to dismiss). He argued that Portland defendants were treated differently than he is being treated, because many of the Portland cases involving (some but not all of) the same crimes he was charged with are being dismissed or resulting in plea deals.

Undersigned Counsel has undertaken an extensive review of pleadings filed on PACER, press releases issued by the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of Oregon, and various news accounts as they relate to the Portland riots. From that review, it appears that approximately 74 persons were charged with criminal offenses arising out of the riots. 5 Of those 74 persons, to date, approximately 30 persons have had their cases dismissed (often with prejudice) upon motion of the government, 12 persons appear to have been offered dismissals upon completing a pre-trial diversion program, and at least 3 persons have been allowed by the government to plead guilty to significantly reduced charges.6

Most of the Portland rioters were charged with a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 231(a)(3) (civil disorder) and/or a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 111 (assault on a federal officer). These are the same charges brought against Mr. Miller in Counts One, Two and Four of the Superseding Indictment based upon his participation in the Washington, D.C. riots.

Given the right wing efforts to compare the two events, this was an inevitable legal challenge. And as such, it will be one of the few times where the government is asked to compare their prosecutorial decisions between the two events.

The government responded to the motion for discovery today. It argues, generally, that Miller hasn’t presented any similarly situated people.

Miller fails this showing. A selective-prosecution claim requires the defendant to identify “similarly situated” individuals who “have not been prosecuted,” Irish People, Inc., 684 F.2d at 946 (citation omitted), and Miller has pointed to no such individual. He instead cites 45 cases (from a sample of 74) where the government charged the defendant with federal offenses arising from riots around the federal courthouse in Portland, Oregon, and where the government subsequently dismissed the charges, entered a deferred-prosecution agreement, or acceded to the defendant’s guilty plea on reduced charges. Doc. 32, at 7.2

2 Miller’s motion further references pleadings from 31 of these cases where, in his view, the defendant’s conduct in Portland mirrored his actions on January 6, 2021. Doc. 32, at 8-16; see also Doc. 32-1 (Attachments 1-31).

This is how most selective prosecution claims die: the precedents require coming in with proof of an almost exactly similar case getting differently treated, and then proving it was differently treated for some kind of bias.

It then points out the obvious: Miller is not claiming selective prosecution, he’s claiming that the outcomes of those prosecutions are different than his is likely to be.

This comparison fails, first and foremost, because the government actually charged nearly all defendants in the listed Oregon cases with civil-disorder or assault offenses. See Doc. 32-1 (Attachments 2-31). Miller has accordingly shown no disparate treatment in the government’s charging approaches. He instead focuses on the manner in which the government ultimately resolved the Oregon cases, and contrasts it with, in his opinion, the “one-sided and draconian plea agreement offer” that the government recently transmitted to him. Doc. 32, at 6. This presentation—which compares the government’s initial plea offer to him with the government’s final resolution in 45 hand-picked Oregon cases—“falls woefully short of demonstrating a consistent pattern of unequal administration of the law.”3 United States v. Bernal-Rojas, 933 F.2d 97, 99 (1st Cir. 1991). In fact, the government’s initial plea offer here rebuts any inference that that it has “refused to plea bargain with [Miller], yet regularly reached agreements with otherwise similarly situated defendants.” Ibid.

3 Miller’s motion notably omits reference to the remaining 29 Oregon cases in his survey, presumably because the government’s litigation decisions in those cases do not conform to his inference of selective treatment.

You can’t claim selective prosecution when those other defendants were also charged, especially not after you, yourself, have been offered the same “significantly reduced charges” you’re complaining Portland protestors got.

But then the government goes into specifics about what distinguishes Miller: generally, there’s far better evidence against Miller, and, specifically, he committed other crimes as well.

More fundamentally, the 45 Oregon cases serve as improper “comparator” because those defendants and Miller are not similarly situated. Stone, 394 F. Supp. 3d at 31. Miller unlawfully entered the U.S. Capitol and resisted the law enforcement officers who tried to move him. Doc. 16, at 4. He did so while elected lawmakers and the Vice President of the United States were present in the building and attempting to certify the results of the 2020 Presidential Election in accordance with Article II of the Constitution. Id. at 2-3. And he committed a host of federal offenses attendant to this riot, including threatening to kill a Congresswoman and a USCP officer. Id. at 5-6. All this was captured on video and Miller’s social-media posts. See 4/1/21 Hr’g Tr. 19:14-15 (“[T]he evidence against Mr. Miller is strong.”). Contrast that with the 45 Oregon defendants, who—despite committing serious offenses—never entered the federal courthouse structure, impeded a congressional proceeding, or targeted a specific federal official or officer for assassination. Additionally, the government’s evidence in those cases often relied on officer recollections (e.g., identifying the particular offender on a darkened plaza with throngs of people) that could be challenged at trial—rather than video and well-documented incriminating statements available in this case. These situational and evidentiary differences represent “distinguishable legitimate prosecutorial factors that might justify making different prosecutorial decisions” in Miller’s case. Branch Ministries, 211 F.3d at 145 (quoting United States v. Hastings, 126 F.3d 310, 315 (4th Cir. 1997)); see also Price v. U.S. Dep’t of Justice, 865 F.3d 676, 681 (D.C. Cir. 2017) (observing that a prosecutor may legitimately consider “concerns such as rehabilitation, allocation of criminal justice resources, the strength of the evidence against the defendant, and the extent of a defendant’s cooperation” in plea negotiations) (brackets and citation omitted)

More importantly (and a point that Trevor McFadden made when Couy Griffin tried to claim he was being picked on because he got charged with the same trespassing charge virtually everyone else got charged with), the government notes that Miller hasn’t been treated differently than any of the 500 others who’ve been charged in January 6.

[H]e is one of more than 500 defendants already charged for participating in the riot, and he does not suggest that he has been treated differently than any of those similarly situated defendants.

This is a response to a guy who, though his assault charges are not as serious as the assaults charged against others, then went on Twitter and bragged about committing crimes, and then threatened several people, including a Congressperson. Other January 6 defendants might raise more interesting selective prosecution challenges, which will likely fail for the general comments laid out about the quality of evidence involved. But this challenge was doomed from the start. Miller’s alleged crimes were so well documented — on camera and in his own words — that he was never the person to bring this challenge.

More importantly, the government raises one big reason why the January 6 defendants will be prosecuted and some Portland defendants will not (setting aside the 29 cases Miller tried to pretend didn’t exist), even assuming their alleged crimes are just as bad: because there weren’t tens of thousands of others filming their actions, because they didn’t try to occupy a building full of CCTV, and because they didn’t brag about their crimes after the fact.

This may not end the comparisons between January 6 and Portland. But it does lay out for the court very practical reasons why throwing the book at January 6 defendants is easier to do than Portland defendants: because January 6 defendants committed alleged crimes in bright spaces covered by CCTV and then went on social media and bragged about doing so, whereas many Portland defendants did so in “darkened plazas.”



 
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Maggot Brain said:
Government run by democrats who supported BLM/Antifa debunks comparisons.  Is that what you're asking us to believe?

And the article mentions that they can't go after BLM/Antifa not because what they did ISN'T THE SAME, but because they don't have video footage like the Jan 6th people had.

Although, I'm almost positive there is footage of BLM/Antifa insurrectionists - they just don't want to look into it.

 
Today, Paul Hodgkins is being sentenced after pleading guilty to a felony.  Hodgkins asked for probation, sentencing guidelines call for 15-23 months.  The hearing was this morning, and the judge is ruling from the bench now.
Paul Hodgkins 

Hodgkins was sentenced to 8 months in prison after pleading guilty to felony in Jan 6 case

Attorney says Hodgkins could be "home by holidays", w/ good time credit.

 
Government run by democrats who supported BLM/Antifa debunks comparisons.  Is that what you're asking us to believe?

And the article mentions that they can't go after BLM/Antifa not because what they did ISN'T THE SAME, but because they don't have video footage like the Jan 6th people had.

Although, I'm almost positive there is footage of BLM/Antifa insurrectionists - they just don't want to look into it.
Why didn't the previous administration care enough to go after them with the full weight of the law?

 
I am behind on some of these cases and charges - has it come to light what exactly they were planning with these?  

Wanted them with, but took them there knowing the legality around the Capital of having guns?  Going to get them later if others showed up? 
Allegedly there was a guy at the hotel where everyone stashed their guns who was supposed to drive all the guns into DC to arm everyone if they deemed it necessary.

 
And the article mentions that they can't go after BLM/Antifa not because what they did ISN'T THE SAME, but because they don't have video footage like the Jan 6th people had.
More importantly, the government raises one big reason why the January 6 defendants will be prosecuted and some Portland defendants will not (setting aside the 29 cases Miller tried to pretend didn’t exist), even assuming their alleged crimes are just as bad: because there weren’t tens of thousands of others filming their actions, because they didn’t try to occupy a building full of CCTV, and because they didn’t brag about their crimes after the fact.

This may not end the comparisons between January 6 and Portland. But it does lay out for the court very practical reasons why throwing the book at January 6 defendants is easier to do than Portland defendants: because January 6 defendants committed alleged crimes in bright spaces covered by CCTV and then went on social media and bragged about doing so, whereas many Portland defendants did so in “darkened plazas.”
What you claim is not what the article states.

 
He offered help.   Democratic cities howled that it would be an occupying fascist army and refused help.    
It is amazing the selective memory they have.  95 percent of BLM protestors had all the charges dropped against them.   The Nazi's are meanwhile rounding up every single Capitol rioter they can find to throw the book at.  Leftists disgust me more every day.  

 
A follow-up in just one city — Portland, Ore., the scene of more than 100 nights of protests — reveals the new administration’s Justice Department has dropped nearly half of the 96 cases. Protestors such as Charles Comfort and David Bouchard, both charged with seriously assaulting officers, walked free. Despite all the federal prosecutors out there, I could only find one person in Portland prosecuted by the feds. Edward Schinzing was dumb enough to get caught on video setting fire to the Justice Center and did so while shirtless and displaying his name tattooed on his back.

 
In most of a dozen jurisdictions examined, at least 90% of cases were dropped or dismissed. In some cities, like Dallas and Philadelphia, as many as 95% of citations were dropped or not prosecuted.

In Houston, about 93% of citations were dropped; in Los Angeles, about 93% of citations were not filed. The prosecutor’s office in San Francisco dismissed all 127 cases related to “peaceful protest-related charges”, though data for more serious citations was not available.

 
In most of a dozen jurisdictions examined, at least 90% of cases were dropped or dismissed. In some cities, like Dallas and Philadelphia, as many as 95% of citations were dropped or not prosecuted.

In Houston, about 93% of citations were dropped; in Los Angeles, about 93% of citations were not filed. The prosecutor’s office in San Francisco dismissed all 127 cases related to “peaceful protest-related charges”, though data for more serious citations was not available.
In Seattle only 8 charges out of 261 arrests. Of the 8 chages:

Charges were brought in 8 cases, of which 6 where eventually dismissed. That left 2 cases where a protester received punishment. One person accepted a plea bargain, the other agree to a diversion program.
Link

 
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present the evidence of weak in the knees Pete Holmes, King Country Prosecutor.  

After two weeks of anguished demonstrations over the murder of George Floyd and the killing of other unarmed black men by police, it is plain to me that peaceful protesters should not be prosecuted despite having been arrested during events that have sometimes devolved into violent and destructive confrontations with Seattle police and supporting law enforcement agencies

 
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Forget all these guys who beat federal officers and are on record admitting things like kicking and putting federal agents in choke holds.  We have to arrest and imprison all these old ladies who simply entered a building.  And we are going to spend every chance we get tracking these cases and making sure every damn one of them get prosecuted.  Who cares about all those BLM protestors who we know committed felonies?

 
It is amazing the selective memory they have.  95 percent of BLM protestors had all the charges dropped against them.   The Nazi's are meanwhile rounding up every single Capitol rioter they can find to throw the book at.  Leftists disgust me more every day.  
And democrats like the VP KAMALA raised bail money to get them out of jail so Democrat prosecutors could drop the charges.    Free pass.

 
Forget all these guys who beat federal officers and are on record admitting things like kicking and putting federal agents in choke holds.  We have to arrest and imprison all these old ladies who simply entered a building.  And we are going to spend every chance we get tracking these cases and making sure every damn one of them get prosecuted.  Who cares about all those BLM protestors who we know committed felonies?
You have to quit with your false narratives. The people charged in the Jan. 6th riots are not all old ladies nor are did they just enter the captial. I can admit that all the BLM rioters should be arrested. Can you admit all the Trump supporters that rioted on Jan. 6th should also be arrested?

 
You have to quit with your false narratives. The people charged in the Jan. 6th riots are not all old ladies nor are did they just enter the captial. I can admit that all the BLM rioters should be arrested. Can you admit all the Trump supporters that rioted on Jan. 6th should also be arrested?
You wouldn't know a false narrative if it slapped you across the face.  It is a fact that there are old women who committed no violence who are or have been prosecuted for activities on January 6th.  Where the heck did I say all?  The fact is there are thousands upon thousands of violent acts which are not being pursued even in cases where the know who did it surrounding the BLM roits.  All Biden and company and their allies care about is prosecuting people on the other side of the political spectrum.  It disgusts me to the core how nobody on the left cares and most even encourage this unjust behavior out of our government.  

 
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You wouldn't know a false narrative if it slapped you across the face.  It is a fact that there are old women who committed no violence who are or have been prosecuted for activities on January 6th.  Where the heck did I say all?  The fact is there are thousands upon thousands of violent acts which are not being pursued even in cases where the know who did it.  All Biden and company and their allies care about is prosecuting people on the other side of the political spectrum.  It disgusts me to the core how nobody on the left cares and most even encourage this unjust behavior out of our government.  
I'll assume since you ignored my question that you support Trump supporting Republicans attacking hero police officers.

 
I'll assume since you ignored my question that you support Trump supporting Republicans attacking hero police officers.
People who acted violented should be treated equally under the law.   I do not see a single Democrats proposing that.  

 
This was a great informative thread.  Glad it was started.   Seems clear some wish to get it locked like the others.
I'm sorry for my part. I support moderators deleting all off topic posts. I find it really annoying when people support the riots on Jan 6.

 
This was a great informative thread.  Glad it was started.   Seems clear some wish to get it locked like the others.
Yes it is a great thread to show how one-sided people's thinking is.  For closed minded people the thread was a safe place to wallow in their partisan worldview. 

 
One you are not in Congress to propose anything and two you do not seem at all upset with the Biden administration for dropping all these charges. 
Agreed. I am not in congress.

If the Biden admin dropped any charges that were proscuteable (is this a word?) then they should be condemned for that. You still have not admited that all the people that commited crimes on Jan. 6th should be prosecuted. Why don't you do that now?

 
Agreed. I am not in congress.

If the Biden admin dropped any charges that were proscuteable (is this a word?) then they should be condemned for that. You still have not admited that all the people that commited crimes on Jan. 6th should be prosecuted. Why don't you do that now?
I don't think they should be prosecuting all people who committed 'crimes'.  Prosecute the violent ones and felonies and use the same standards against all of them.  Whatever standard they pick apply it to all people equally.  A guy admits to choking a federal agent is not one that should be dropped.  

 
Government run by democrats who supported BLM/Antifa debunks comparisons.  Is that what you're asking us to believe?

And the article mentions that they can't go after BLM/Antifa not because what they did ISN'T THE SAME, but because they don't have video footage like the Jan 6th people had.

Although, I'm almost positive there is footage of BLM/Antifa insurrectionists - they just don't want to look into it.
How many defendants sentenced so far?

 
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In most of a dozen jurisdictions examined, at least 90% of cases were dropped or dismissed. In some cities, like Dallas and Philadelphia, as many as 95% of citations were dropped or not prosecuted.

In Houston, about 93% of citations were dropped; in Los Angeles, about 93% of citations were not filed. The prosecutor’s office in San Francisco dismissed all 127 cases related to “peaceful protest-related charges”, though data for more serious citations was not available.
Pleaser pardon my ignorance.  Was congress In session in Dallas, Philly, Houston, LA, or San Fan? 

 It's a simple yes/no question. 

 
It was only a matter of time before the usuals show up and try to get another thread shut down....four posts on this page about the actual topic.  The rest?  Just the standard :hophead:  nonsense that got the other thread shut down....the motive is crystal clear.

ETA:  And shame on Maggot for cracking the door even a little bit with the ill placed info comparing the facts of BLM protests to what happened 1/6.  That's all it takes GB...that's all it takes.

 
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ARRAIGNMENT set for Wednesday in Jan 6 case of Sean McHugh

McHugh is accused of scuffling w/ police, carrying chemical spray.

"I'd be shaking in your little s** boots too. There is a 2nd amendment behind us. You ain't holding the line"

-McHugh to capitol police

 
It is amazing the selective memory they have.  95 percent of BLM protestors had all the charges dropped against them.   The Nazi's are meanwhile rounding up every single Capitol rioter they can find to throw the book at.  Leftists disgust me more every day.  
We asked posters not to call the last administration Nazis. We'll ask posters to not call this administration Nazis. 

 
Court schedules preliminary hearing in Sept for US Capitol breach defendant Nathan Entrekin of Arizona

Court filing in Entrekin's case show images of person w/ feet planted on desk in Senate Parliamentarian's office.

Also shows incursion into Senate Room S140.

In the image it looks like he is wearing a gladiator costume…

 
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Date With Destiny:

Capitol Riot Suspect Nabbed — This Time With Help From Dating App Bumble.

He posted photos and boasted about the insurrection on Bumble, according to the federal complaint against him.

 

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