Juxtatarot
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How often?
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How often do you carry a gun in public? (1 Viewer)
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crackattack
Footballguy
Never. I've never been so afraid in public to feel the need.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
If I ever felt the need to carry a gun in public, I would take that as a sign that it's time to move.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
As an architect that does a lot of developer work in emerging markets, both new construction and adaptive reuse, I very often find myself visiting a site or walking through an abandoned building in very rough Philly neighborhoods. I have walked into some scary #### involving scary people more than once. I always carry in those situations.
If I’m running out to the hardware store I typically do not.
If I’m running out to the hardware store I typically do not.
supermike80
Footballguy
I don't even own a gun.
Guess I'm weird. Only gun I've ever shot in my life was an over/under shotgun at a Quail shoot years ago. That's it.
Guess I'm weird. Only gun I've ever shot in my life was an over/under shotgun at a Quail shoot years ago. That's it.
E Street Brat
Footballguy
I use to carry in my car all the time. Now that I'm older almost never.
The General
Footballguy
I asked this question in one of the hundred gun related threads…I have never in my life recalled a situation where I wish I was armed. Have lived in big cities, in the country, currently live in a big city, have traveled all around the US and other cities around the world some which are pretty dangerous, do normal stuff, do plenty of dumb things.
Is this unusual?
Is this unusual?
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Manster
Footballguy
I always carry when I'm in the woods, on the river, and definitely when I'm on the river, in a more urban setting. I used to live in the Reno area and fish the Truckee river thru town often.......for whatever reason, sketch hangs out on the river in cities. And like I've said before, the bad guys are emboldened these days, and there seems to be more of them.
I don't carry when I'm out and about in town though.
I also let people merge, and generally just sit back and let the agro people do their thing......I'm not looking for a confrontation.
I don't carry when I'm out and about in town though.
I also let people merge, and generally just sit back and let the agro people do their thing......I'm not looking for a confrontation.
dkp993
Footballguy
Same for me. Only ever held 1 real gun in my life, was the only time I shot one too. I went to a range with a buddy to try and understand the fascination this Country has with them. That was 15 yrs ago.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Manster
Footballguy
Threads like these tell me a couple things....
I don't have a lot in common with many on this forum.
As out of touch and some of the "conspiracy right" is, the left is just as out of touch, and it's getting worse. The question we should all be asking is why are people becoming more extreme in their beliefs on both sides?
I don't have a lot in common with many on this forum.
As out of touch and some of the "conspiracy right" is, the left is just as out of touch, and it's getting worse. The question we should all be asking is why are people becoming more extreme in their beliefs on both sides?
supermike80
Footballguy
I can see firing a handgun at a range could be pretty fun. Ive heard lots of people say so. But it's not on my bucket list
dkp993
Footballguy
supermike80
Footballguy
Yeah I don't see myself falling in love with guns anytime soon. I'm too scared of them.
dkp993
Footballguy
Yeah for me it’s not so much a fear of them, although a healthy fear of guns is certainly a good thing, it’s the use of them. I am not and will not be a hunter, and at some point it feels like for me the range would lose any luster it had that first time. So I just don’t really see myself using them. Though I will say I will likely buy one for home protection in the coming years.
supermike80
Footballguy
I've always had this fear that I have a gun in my house, and one of my wife's kids comes in and I am sleepy, drunk, or whatever, and I mistake him or her for an intruder and then that's that. With that fear also means I am far less likely to be able to actually pull the trigger if there was an invader in my home.
And even if I had a gun, I see so real chance i would ever carry it with me anywhere,
sho nuff
Footballguy
A new range opened near me. We inherited a few hand guns from my father in law when he passed last year. They have still be stored in one of his safes with my brother and sister in law (I have the shot gun and lever action .22 from him and the shot gun I already had previously locked up here). Wife and I will probably take some courses at the range in the next few years before we decide if we will keep any of the pistols beyond the historic pieces he had and things he had earmarked for our son).
dkp993
Footballguy
Very rational fear. One I’m absolutely considering myself as I think about this purchase.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Certified conceal-carry holder here! 
I don't always carry - I'd say about 70% of the time.
I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Also, never had guns in the house when my kids were small, but now that they're adults we have them, but secured away if not carrying.
I don't always carry - I'd say about 70% of the time.
I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Also, never had guns in the house when my kids were small, but now that they're adults we have them, but secured away if not carrying.
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Insoxicated
If you see me in public I'm more than likely armed, though you'll never see it.
It's comfortable to the point I "forget" it's there. Nobody around me would ever know it's there, because visible firearms make people uncomfortable and aren't productive for the 2A community.
I respect those who are afraid of guns or choose not to carry.
I have never had to use mine, but I've been in plenty of situations where it could have gone sideways fast enough that I was glad I had it on me.
It's comfortable to the point I "forget" it's there. Nobody around me would ever know it's there, because visible firearms make people uncomfortable and aren't productive for the 2A community.
I respect those who are afraid of guns or choose not to carry.
I have never had to use mine, but I've been in plenty of situations where it could have gone sideways fast enough that I was glad I had it on me.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
That is how my father in law was. Only time I would see it is if we were going into a place where it was posted for him not to carry. He then would put it in a small safe or if in my vehicle he would lock in the glove box and put a trigger lock on it as well.
He had 2 large safes full of guns he liked to shoot or collect. I rarely saw them unless he was about to sell or trade something or got a new item he wanted to show one of us. Only one that was ever loaded was the one he would carry.
jwb
Footballguy
Certified conceal-carry holder here!
I don't always carry - I'd say about 70% of the time.
I'd rather have it and not need it that need it and not have it.
This is me. I carry an LCP 380. I conceal carry most of the time, but not always - if I'm going to be drinking, I don't (that's the law too)
I do not carry to protect myself from a mugging or whatnot. They can have my wallet - not getting into a quick draw or anything (I don't keep a round chambered - that's my safety). My gun is there because there are crazy / angry people out there. If I'm in a place and there's an active shooter or someone who wants to do serious harm, I just want my wife and I to get home safe. I feel a gun helps my odds there instead of hurt them.
In addition, I have no idea where we're going as a society. The country and mood are very different the last decade, and nothing is off the table in my mind. All it will take is one electric grid attack and we're in serious anarchy. I feel it's better to own and be comfortable with guns than not be. I promise you, if something like that happens, you non-gun guys are going to wish you had one in the house at least. Honestly, not telling you to carry or become a gun guy, but rethink not owning a firearm and at least learning how to load and shoot it safely.
Note: I'm not a hardcore 2nd amendment guy. I see little use for assault style weapons in the general public's hands (and don't want to argue about it), and I'd rather see a world with no guns in the general public's hands. But we don't live in that world.
The Commish
Footballguy
I'm pretty much in the exact same boat if it makes you feel better. I don't own a gun and there's only ever been a single incident ever that I the thought of gun ownership crossed my mind. We were fishing south of Key West and a boat appeared out of nowhere and was coming right for us. It was packed with people. They got within 200 yards of us and a Coast Guard intercom came from behind us (from the North)....ended up being a group trying to escape from Cuba. Other than that, I've never considered it.
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Insoxicated
I keep two loaded.
Daily Carry: (Glock 26 w/ Extended G19 magazine and a Trijicon RMR optic - Stays loaded with Federal Tac HST or Sig VCrown 9mm JHP)
"Bedside" Rifle: (Knights Armament SR-15 Rifle in 300 Blackout with SilencerCo Omega300 Suppressor - Stays loaded with Barnes TAC-TX 110gr Black Tips)
IMO suppressors are borderline essential for home defense.
Rest stay stored away with loaded magazines and ammo stored separately.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
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Insoxicated
Firing an unsuppressed pistol or rifle in an enclosed space presents two horrible consequences:
1) Sound: The report in a standard home-sized room is likely to do significant and lasting damage to the hearing of all nearby. The homeower, his children, his partner, etc.
2) Flash: Muzzle flash will likely severely impair the homeowners dark-vision for a period of time, significantly increasing the risk of him being overcome by invaders, or accidentally shooting someone in his family.
A suppressor (which should be legal without restriction, like it is even in gun-loathing Europe) eliminates both these issues with no added "risk/harm" to society.
dkp993
Footballguy
Great information thanks.
What would you suggest for home defense for a non-gun enthusiast like myself who will not be using the weapon for hunting or recreational purposes. My father-in-law, a very responsible gun enthusiast and Vietnam special forces veteran suggested a coach gun. His thoughts were it’s easily broken down and put back together again quickly, high ease-of-use for your average person and strong visual deterrent.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
This is a good point that I've unfortunately had reason to think about as well. A couple of weeks ago, we had a major storm that knocked out our power for about 36 hours. I live in a boring, middle-class Midwestern town, so of course everybody just kind of spent the day walking around the neighborhood talking to one another about wind damage, generators, the sorry state of the Vikings, and other familiar topics. But if anybody had been in the mood to pull off a spontaneous home invasion or two, this was the time to do it. There was absolutely nothing stopping anybody from robbing whoever they wanted, except for the fact that you're likely to get your head blown off if you pick the wrong house for this sort of thing.
In the event of any sort of real civil disturbance, you are 100% correct that I'll probably regret the decision not to own a gun. I know some people in this forum will think that it puts you in crazy prepper territory to worry about stuff like that, but we know that foreign adversaries probably have the ability to take down our electrical grid if they want to do so. If we directly intervened to help repel an invasion of Taiwan, are we really that sure that China wouldn't go that route? Are we really all that confident that Russia won't go that route if we push a little too hard? And that's without even getting into domestic terrorism, which is also an extremely serious concern. Everybody thought that it was crazy to imagine a mob storming the capitol building until it actually happened, after all.
This is why I'm not too terribly concerned about anybody over-reaching on gun control right now. There is absolutely no way that we are going to see any significant rollback of gun rights after what we just went through the last two years. It's a non-starter politically.
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Insoxicated
No problem, always happy to offer my perspective where it's requested.
There are several factors to consider when choosing a home-defense weapon.... and IMO the biggest one is your residence. Someone who lives in an apartment cannot use the same weapon due to over-penetration concerns. You should also consider the layout of your home. If there is a "bump in the night" and you come out of your bedroom... is your kids bedroom in the "line of fire"?
IMO the post important thing you can do is understand the layout of your home and the surrounding area. Have a plan of where you expect intruders to come from... where you may be when they enter... etc.
Regarding Firearm Type: GREAT quantitative analysis done here by Pew Tactical that breaks down penetration, lethality, ammo type, etc.
FUDD Logic (old timer / outdated myths) has many saying shotguns are the play "because if they hear you rack it they'll run away". Not only is the latter generally not true, but shotguns are deafening, very long (hard to maneuver in tight hallways), hard to control recoil for follow-up shots, lack capacity, and are terrible about over-penetration when youre using a suitable defense load.
Pistols are excellent in close quarters, however are generally less good at stopping a determined threat, and much harder to aim under duress. Over-penetration can be a concern with improper ammo selection.
For me, I prefer something that can be shouldered (for accuracy), short as possible for ease of navigating halls, uses a quality round (ideally rifle round), and can be suppressed (for reasons stated upthread).
For my father (Block construction home in zero lot line neighborhood, open floor plan, no kids at home) I suggested a Stribog SP9A1 Pistol caliber carbine with a suppressor. It gives up a little in round stopping power (9mm) but is VERY soft shooting, easy to control, easy to get many shots exactly where you want them. Even my 73yo mother can shoot out a quarter-sized hole at 10yds.
glvsav37
Footballguy
I would own a gun for protection (I'm not a hunter) if it wasnt for my kids and the stories you hear of ones finding the gun and shooting themselves accidentally.
I cant even hide porn properly, I could never live with myself if one of my children or friends got shot/killed accidentally with a gun I owned.
I cant even hide porn properly, I could never live with myself if one of my children or friends got shot/killed accidentally with a gun I owned.
rustycolts
Footballguy
I never carry in public my weapons are for home protection. I have carried when I've gone to remote places to go fishing but that's mostly for critters that might look at me as food.
rustycolts
Footballguy
Taurus judge is a good weapon. It's a revolver that uses both 45 shells or 410 shotgun shells. Got it in case Im not around my wife would have no problem using it. With the shotgun shells all she has to do is just point it in the general direction of the bad guy and she should be able to ruin his weekend.
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Insoxicated
Not a fan of the Judge as it's generally rather uncomfortable to shoot accurately (particularly for women, smaller people, or infrequent shooters), very limited capacity, and most rounds for it aren't ideal for home defense unless you've got a bit of land and no kids in the home.
IMO it falls under "FUDD gimmick gun" much like the Desert Eagle.
dkp993
Footballguy
Live in your standard Cali suburb. 2 story home with bedrooms on the top floor. Daughters (7yr old) bedroom is on the opposite side of ours with the staircase in between.
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rustycolts
Footballguy
Mmm I may have made a mistake when getting that one. I'm really not as knowledgeable as most on different weapons. After getting out of the Army I really wanted no part of any weapon for almost 20 years. Then I had a couple of issues that happened one in a remote area in the woods and one at our residence.
I decided on the Judge because of the limited capacity. I figured if we couldn't stop them with 5 shotgun shells we wouldn't be able to stop them. We went to a gun range to make sure my wife could use it. She was fine with it. She wanted to get a 9 mm,but I overruled her. After reading your post I'm thinking maybe she was right.
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Insoxicated
No judgement at all. Some folks love it. Just sharing my personal opinion.
If your wife is capable of shooting it accurately under duress and it fits your home layout/environment then run it, GB!
My suggestion for HD ammo, consider Winchester PDX that features both 4 plated discs (that will do substantial damage if you hit directly) as well as 16 "BB"s (in case you're close but don't hit directly with the discs).
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Insoxicated
Kids on the opposite side of the staircase is my biggest concern. Depending on layout I'd likely immediately check on them, then take a position outside their door with covered overlook down the staircase. have someone call 911 and shoot anyone that attempts to come up the stairs. If they stay downstairs, let them take what they want and wait for the police to arrive.
In that case I'd say a 9mm semi-automatic pistol with a capacity of 10+ rounds, chambered with a quality defensive round.... or a AR-style rifle in 300 Blackout.
Either way, unless you're able to easily/remotely turn on the lights at the base of the stairs... a weapon light is important so you can see what you're aiming/shooting at.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
For what it’s worth the Supreme Court is probably going to rule in a couple weeks that the Second Amendment gives the right to concealed carry. I feel like that decision might not play well now but who knows.
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Insoxicated
I assume you're referring to NYSRPA vs Bruen. Indeed it's about to neuter NY's carry law.
I'm a big states rights guy, however as a 2A guy I also think permitting should be done on a shall-issue basis.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Never fired nor owned a gun. Never plan to. Doubt we'll ever have more than a locked door on our house. The town lost power for double the time as IK when a microburst hit a few years ago, so we put up some caution tape on one of the side streets that didn't suffer damage after helping neighbors clean up all day and had an impromptu block party.
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
Voted "Rarely". I live in a safe place. I do carry when I think I might be traveling thru or to some sketchy places.
When I do carry my typical load out is a 9mm M&P Shield using 124g Speer Gold Dots in a couple Taren extended magazines carried in a CompTac holster/belt. I also carry a Streamlight ProTac handheld flashlight.
[icon] is dropping the knowledge in this thread. I'd add/reiterate a couple things.
1. If you do buy a gun, please familiarize yourself with the gun safety rules and follow them closely.
2. If you do buy a gun, please get training. I don't meaning training like from your uncle who likes guns, I mean actual formal training. Don't be afraid to ask for references and what the trainers experience is. I've had good luck with law enforcement guys who train other law enforcement for living and doing civilian training as a side hustle.
3. If you buy a gun, please store it securely. There are so many needless deaths caused by unsecured or poorly secured guns.
3. If you want to carry concealed, please buy a good rig to carry it with and get familiar with the laws in the area you will be carrying.
4. If you intend to use your gun for home protection, please think through what that means. Stuff like: is your securely stored gun in a ready state and is it easily accessible by you, where are your family members at in the house/what will you have to do to get them to safety, and how are you ID'ing the threat and/or idiot teenager child trying to sneak home after curfew.
When I do carry my typical load out is a 9mm M&P Shield using 124g Speer Gold Dots in a couple Taren extended magazines carried in a CompTac holster/belt. I also carry a Streamlight ProTac handheld flashlight.
[icon] is dropping the knowledge in this thread. I'd add/reiterate a couple things.
1. If you do buy a gun, please familiarize yourself with the gun safety rules and follow them closely.
2. If you do buy a gun, please get training. I don't meaning training like from your uncle who likes guns, I mean actual formal training. Don't be afraid to ask for references and what the trainers experience is. I've had good luck with law enforcement guys who train other law enforcement for living and doing civilian training as a side hustle.
3. If you buy a gun, please store it securely. There are so many needless deaths caused by unsecured or poorly secured guns.
3. If you want to carry concealed, please buy a good rig to carry it with and get familiar with the laws in the area you will be carrying.
4. If you intend to use your gun for home protection, please think through what that means. Stuff like: is your securely stored gun in a ready state and is it easily accessible by you, where are your family members at in the house/what will you have to do to get them to safety, and how are you ID'ing the threat and/or idiot teenager child trying to sneak home after curfew.
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dozer
Footballguy
These are all great suggestions. Thank you for posting.
I’d add:
#5- Be prepared to kill a person. If you freeze, someone you love could get hurt.
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