Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Nope.Side bet he goes in the first 3 rounds?Because switching positions in your senior year sets you back.Why do you hate Will Blackmon?
Nope.Side bet he goes in the first 3 rounds?Because switching positions in your senior year sets you back.Why do you hate Will Blackmon?
I love Hines... don't get me wrong, and I've come to enjoy some of the gimmick plays, but I'd much rather forget the Stewart years. CJ and Plax were both solid picks.I get your point and don't necessarily disagree, I'd just love to see a prototypical wideout sometime.
Troy Edwards, Charles Johnson, Plaxico Burress
Hines Ward, Antwaan Randle-El, Kordell Stewart
Which group do you prefer ?
I say stick with the hybrids....
The problem is how few of those are actually around.The college ranks seem to be having trouble developing viable NFL receivers. I wonder why.I get your point and don't necessarily disagree, I'd just love to see a prototypical wideout sometime.
Why would you possibly say that?I teel you Indy is nt going RB in the first round , and of course not in the second cause there will be no decent RB available with their second round.
I agree with the comment about their age, not so much on depth (juran bolden is pretty solid), but i think they could easily get a guy that fits as a cover 2 corner (cedric griffin, alan zemaitis) in the 2nd. Im sure you saw that I have Lawson going to Denver as a 4-3 DE in my latest mock.That works too. I'm going to enjoy going back and seeing how many I got right in terms of teams taking a partcular position at a particular spot.A few other comments: I see 18 being Carpenter or Wimbley, not Lawson.They have no depth at the position and Kelly and Barber are 9 and 10 year veterans, respectively, so age is starting to creep into that defense. Joseph seemed BPA for that spot.very intrigued by tampa going DB - could you say a little more on this one?
Why would you possibly say that?I teel you Indy is nt going RB in the first round , and of course not in the second cause there will be no decent RB available with their second round.
Just in terms of this mock, I'd rather see Avant than McNeal.History says you are more likely to be right than I am however.The problem is how few of those are actually around.The college ranks seem to be having trouble developing viable NFL receivers. I wonder why.I get your point and don't necessarily disagree, I'd just love to see a prototypical wideout sometime.
Neither guy ever lived up to my expectations, and the ones in the latter group exceeded them (Stewart at WR, not QB, that is) - that's all. I agree with you - a top notch deep threat with a pedigree would be nice, though.I love Hines... don't get me wrong, and I've come to enjoy some of the gimmick plays, but I'd much rather forget the Stewart years. CJ and Plax were both solid picks.I get your point and don't necessarily disagree, I'd just love to see a prototypical wideout sometime.
Troy Edwards, Charles Johnson, Plaxico Burress
Hines Ward, Antwaan Randle-El, Kordell Stewart
Which group do you prefer ?
I say stick with the hybrids....
That would be great for Skeletor, wouldn't it?Im sure you saw that I have Lawson going to Denver as a 4-3 DE in my latest mock.
Well done. I don't agree with any of the picks, but unlike 90% of the mocks I've seen, you've correctly identified the Bolts' needs, and likely order in which they fulfill those needs.I'd guess the chances the Bolts take a LB early are 50/50 right now, depending on AJ Smith's ability to move Edwards. Nice work Andy, as always.San Diego Chargers1.19 Tye Hill , DB - Clemson2.50 D'Qwell Jackson , ILB - Maryland3.81 Jeremy Trueblood , OT - Boston College
They got their DL depth (especially the interior) taken care of in FA..I'd expect they'll end up with a RB, TE, OL, and LB/DE (most likely in that order) fro mteh first 4 picks.For the Panthers, I'm thinking either Dusty Dvoracek for DT depth or Brodie Croyle for BPA.
I disagree. I think they got their STARTERS taken care of in FA, but not their depth. Kemoeatu will be a starter. And Jenkins always seems to be hurt.They got their DL depth (especially the interior) taken care of in FA.
Carolina Panthers1.27 LenDale White , RB - Southern Cal.I'd expect they'll end up with a RB, TE, OL, and LB/DE (most likely in that order) fro mteh first 4 picks.
Even if he doesn't, Edwards is old enough to warrant a replacement.I'd guess the chances the Bolts take a LB early are 50/50 right now, depending on AJ Smith's ability to move Edwards.
By my count they have 5 DTs; Jenkins, Maake, Moorehead (who's a RFA), Damione Lewis, and Carstens. They aren't going into the season with 6 DTs on the roster. They need a OL-man more than they need a DT.I disagree. I think they got their STARTERS taken care of in FA, but not their depth. Kemoeatu will be a starter. And Jenkins always seems to be hurt.They got their DL depth (especially the interior) taken care of in FA.Carolina Panthers1.27 LenDale White , RB - Southern Cal.I'd expect they'll end up with a RB, TE, OL, and LB/DE (most likely in that order) fro mteh first 4 picks.
2.58 Marcedes Lewis , TE - UCLA
3.88 Jesse Mahelona , DT - Tennessee
3.89 Gerris Wilkinson , ILB - Georgia Tech
So the only thing we disagree on is DT instead of OL. Not bad.
Offensive certainly describes those linemen.LT - Adrian Jones
LG - Brandon Moore
C - Trey Teague
RG - Pete Kendall
RT - Anthony Clement
For some reason, I don't think so.Whitehurst is just another backup in the making.
The last three maybe make one complete player.By my count they have 5 DTs; Jenkins, Maake, Moorehead (who's a RFA), Damione Lewis, and Carstens. They aren't going into the season with 6 DTs on the roster.
They need a OL-man more than they need a DT.
The last three maybe make one complete player.By my count they have 5 DTs; Jenkins, Maake, Moorehead (who's a RFA), Damione Lewis, and Carstens. They aren't going into the season with 6 DTs on the roster.
They need a OL-man more than they need a DT.
From CharlotteHere's a good overview with some names LinkFrom a Panthers Perspective
• That there are only two elite prospects at defensive tackle is the major reason the Panthers addressed this position heavily in free agency by signing Maake Kemoeatu and Damione Lewis. With the return of a healthy Kris Jenkins and Jordan Carstens, and Kindal Moorehead still on the roster, this is one of the team's deepest positions.
• The Panthers also are in good shape at end with Peppers and Mike Rucker as starters and Al Wallace as a top sub. Lewis also has the skills to line up outside at times, and the Panthers are high on second-year player Jovan Haye. If they use a pick on a defensive lineman it won't come until the late rounds.
Tampa and Green Bay are the only two rumored to be persuing Charles Woodson. That's a lot of $ to concider paying if its not a need.I agree with the comment about their age, not so much on depth (juran bolden is pretty solid), but i think they could easily get a guy that fits as a cover 2 corner (cedric griffin, alan zemaitis) in the 2nd. Im sure you saw that I have Lawson going to Denver as a 4-3 DE in my latest mock.That works too. I'm going to enjoy going back and seeing how many I got right in terms of teams taking a partcular position at a particular spot.A few other comments: I see 18 being Carpenter or Wimbley, not Lawson.They have no depth at the position and Kelly and Barber are 9 and 10 year veterans, respectively, so age is starting to creep into that defense. Joseph seemed BPA for that spot.very intrigued by tampa going DB - could you say a little more on this one?
Good info there. Which offensive lineman would you like to see here then? Some of the top tackles left are:• That there are only two elite prospects at defensive tackle is the major reason the Panthers addressed this position heavily in free agency by signing Maake Kemoeatu and Damione Lewis. With the return of a healthy Kris Jenkins and Jordan Carstens, and Kindal Moorehead still on the roster, this is one of the team's deepest positions.
• The Panthers also are in good shape at end with Peppers and Mike Rucker as starters and Al Wallace as a top sub. Lewis also has the skills to line up outside at times, and the Panthers are high on second-year player Jovan Haye. If they use a pick on a defensive lineman it won't come until the late rounds.
From Charlotte
He's No. 1 on my list. Just hope Phil Savage has the same. Also hope he drops to the Browns.Round 1
1.12 Cleveland Browns - Haloti Ngata, DT - Oregon
Looks to me like Lutui would be there in the 3rd at their pick. That would make some sense, but maybe even better, take the lineman in the 2nd round instead of the TE?Good info there. Which offensive lineman would you like to see here then?
Some of the top tackles left are:
Zach Strief Northwestern 6-7 5/8 330 5.43
Paul McQuistan Weber St. 6-6 1/8 312 5.07
Isaac Sowells Indiana 6-3 1/2 334 5.15
Guy Whimper East Carolina 6-4 3/4 304 4.95
Guards:
Jason Spitz Louisville 6-3 1/2 313 5.38
Rob Sims Ohio St. 6-2 3/4 307 5.24
Kevin Boothe Cornell 6-4 3/4 316 5.41
Mark Setterstrom Minnesota 6-3 3/4 314 5.41
Centers:
Ryan Cook New Mexico 6-6 5/8 318 5.50
Mike Degory Florida 6-5 1/2 305 5.39
Patrick Ross Boston College 6-3 1/2 301 4.96
I liked Andy's picks for SD much better. I'm not as optimistic Trueblood slides to SD in the third though.Why 50/50 on inside LB and why does it hinge on Edwards leaving this year? The handwriting is on the wall both Godfrey and Edwards will be gone next year, and as you point out there's even a chance Edwards will be gone before the season starts this year.According to who's available in Andy's mock, I think the Chargers would go:
1.19 Cromartie
2.50 Mangold
3.81 Zemaitis
Sounds like they want a tackle, but I'd guess they'd take the BLA (and I have no clue who that is this deep in the draft). I also wouldn't be surprised if they went after a Safety at some point to groom behind Minter.Good info there. Which offensive lineman would you like to see here then?
Most of what I've read has Lutui going in mid/late 2nd round. I think if they go OL in the third round I'd bet Derek Morris or Jonathon Scott.Maybe a Colledge/Lutui/Trueblood/Spencer makes more sense at the end of the second round and in the third round take a TE(Fasano?). It's possible one of Pope/Byrd/Klopfenstein slide and become a great value at the end of the third.Looks to me like Lutui would be there in the 3rd at their pick. That would make some sense, but maybe even better, take the lineman in the 2nd round instead of the TE?
That was my assumption, that Pacman is a headache that needs addressing. So I went CB instead of LB, even though I think LB is probably a better pick.Andy, in addition to the Cowboy comments earlier, I was surprised to see TN NOT picking a LB in round 2. Fisher has publicly stated that there are a lot of good LBs this year and its a definitely a big need for them. I'd frankly be shocked if they didn't draft a LB in the second.
What are your thoughts on the Titan's second round pick? TN got 2 decent corners out of last year's draft. Thats assuming Pacman stays out of jail.
Cleveland.Sounds like I whiffed on Nick Mangold. Is there any team that wouldn't want to take him?
The TE's are all over the board. And Klopfenstein has really moved up the boards. Lewis hasn't had a very good offseason from most accounts.And the TE position has experienced a renaissance in the NFL the last 5 years thanks to Gonzalez, Heap, Gates, and Shockey.Wow, after looking at your TE's I noticed you had plenty of them going early(FIVE in the second round) and it was interesting you had M.Lewis as the 5th TE in taken in the second round. I don't pay that much attention to the combine, did he have a bad one? I thought he was the 2nd/3rd best TE out there.
Kendall and Teague are both quality vets. Brandon Moore is fine at Guard. Clement need to become a backup. But you have them drafting THREE o-linemen in the top 100. That's just wild. I will bet you that there's no way they take three O-linemen in the top 100 - in fact, without looking at the data, I would bet that a team has NEVER taken three O-linemen in the top 100.There are other rounds in the draft beyond the ones you mocked, and O line is probably the deepest position in the draft. After all the Jets have needs at every offensive position and at DE and LB.Offensive certainly describes those linemen.LT - Adrian Jones
LG - Brandon Moore
C - Trey Teague
RG - Pete Kendall
RT - Anthony ClementFor some reason, I don't think so.Whitehurst is just another backup in the making.
I think you have hit the nail on the head with the positions for the first 3 picks, but here is a possible alternative as I see it and based on who might be available. 1.24 Mathias Kiwanuka, DE - Boston CollegeCincinnati Bengals
1.24 Donte Whitner , SS - Ohio State
2.55 Joe Klopfenstein , TE - Colorado
3.91 Stanley McClover , DE - Auburn
I bet you'd get a lot of argument that they're not.Kendall and Teague are both quality vets.
When the need's that great and the opportunity presents itself, why not?If I were a Jets fan, I'd be anything but disappointed if it ended up this way.There are other rounds in the draft beyond the ones you mocked, and O line is probably the deepest position in the draft. After all the Jets have needs at every offensive position and at DE and LB.
Of course the Texans should trade down. The problem is that any team with the horsepower in picks isn't willing to trade up for Bush and the Texans can't accept less than the pick is worth. So they're stuck.I'd love to see the Texans trade down and take either Super Mario or Da' Brick and then using an additional pick that they get in the deal to take an OT or DE whichever they don't get in the first. But I don't see anyone in the top 5 (where they would need to be to make this work) wanting Bush bad enough to make this a possibility.
Any thoughts?
Kiwanuka is not a first round pick anymore. He's barely a 2nd.Now, if you want to slip Darryl Tapp into that first round pick (he seems like the type of guy they like) then I can see the other two falling that way, sure.I think you have hit the nail on the head with the positions for the first 3 picks, but here is a possible alternative as I see it and based on who might be available. 1.24 Mathias Kiwanuka, DE - Boston CollegeCincinnati Bengals
1.24 Donte Whitner , SS - Ohio State
2.55 Joe Klopfenstein , TE - Colorado
3.91 Stanley McClover , DE - Auburn
2.55 Daniel Bullocks, SS - Nebraska
3.91 Tony Scheffler, TE - W Michigan
Unless Pope is available in round 2 (which he wasn't in this mock), I see the Bengals waiting until round 3 and hoping someone falls.
I'm big on Jon Alston to fill that fast linebacker role they're looking for.Why do you think CB in the first? I just don't see the Vikings doing that.Interesting. I think the Vikes would take Lawson or J. Williams over DeAngelo.
This kid is an outstanding athlete. Was a great corner as well and will immediately help in the return game. Too bad for him that he switched positions for the better of the team and killed his draft value. Someone may get a steal with this kid... all they need to do is give him a year to get back into CB under a solid mentor.Nope.Side bet he goes in the first 3 rounds?Because switching positions in your senior year sets you back.Why do you hate Will Blackmon?
I definitely want the Vikings to draft Alston instead of Simms. I would be surprised if Manigold fell to 2.64. Too many teams need centers and I think both Mangold and Eslinger go early.Sorted by team.
Minnesota Vikings
1.17 DeAngelo Williams , RB - Memphis
2.48 Jon Alston , OLB - Stanford
2.51 Max Jean-Gilles , OG - Georgia
3.83 Omar Jacobs , QB - Bowling Green
3.95 David Pittman , DB - Northwestern State
This kids a first round talent and would probably have gone there if he hadn't been moved to WR. I know this is a deep draft, but on some draft boards they have him as a WR & others he's a CB. There will be a couple of teams that will grab him in late 2nd, early 3rd. They'll know where to play him. I think his best position is CB, but he's got the game to mek it as a WR.This kid is an outstanding athlete. Was a great corner as well and will immediately help in the return game. Too bad for him that he switched positions for the better of the team and killed his draft value. Someone may get a steal with this kid... all they need to do is give him a year to get back into CB under a solid mentor.Nope.Side bet he goes in the first 3 rounds?Because switching positions in your senior year sets you back.Why do you hate Will Blackmon?
You forgot Kellen Clemens? He will be a better NFL QB than Cutler and might have a better career than Young. He's climbing up the boards!!I think this mock is very up-to-date and very indicative how the first round may turn out.
I think
...Ngata and Bunkley should be flip-flopped (personal preference)
...If Cutler gets to Arizona, I don't think Arizona takes him
good call on Ngata, Andy, as he is a stone cold lock to the Ravens @13 if still on the board.......which is exactly why Phil grab's him @12, to rotate behind Ted Washington in Romeo's 3-4---just as you've called it!I have second thoughts about Ourlads. Their mock has Haloti Ngata lasting until the 24th!!! pick
No doubt. This is a bad year to be caught short on draft picks.The Vikings and Jets are in position to set up their franchise for the next 5 years if they draft well.hopefully there is a senario that has the Ravens sliding back in round 1, as the need for OT, DT and SS on day 1 are too great to only make 2 selections in the first 110+ picks
I see their linebacking corps as a trainwreck and thought they'd go BPA at that position. I think you underestimate Nande. Of course, I could be wrong.You have the Redskins taking Terna Nande in the second, which I think is a major reach. They could probably still get him with their 5th rounder. If the draft falls like this, I don't see how they could pass on Davin Joseph, Nick Mangold, Deuce Latui, Marcedes Lewis, Daryll Tapp, etc. to make that pick. I think Joseph would be the pick there, with Lewis as option 1b.