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I am not sure if everything listed would be enough to give up Allen let alone including a first, 3rd, 4th and 5th with Allen.
I agree. 100%. He was the number one an in my league. By a decent margin. Just figured I’d throw it out there since everyone thought burrow was the second coming and figured those feeling my still be present with big al. I know I’m burrow owner in a league and while I have lofty expectations I’d be happy as a hog rolling in crap to package him to get Herbert.
This is truly bizarre in non-SF FFPC. So no I'm not seeing this anywhere.
I can't speak for FFPC, but there was discussion last month about the difficulty in trading within this QB market. I don't think acquiring a good one right now is anywhere near as easy as some believe.
I almost never hold a second QB past the offseason cuts. Unless I think I can get *something* in a trade for one of them later. One team has Dak and Wilson and I will likely take a ham sandwich for either so I can make room.
I think the landscape has shifted over the last couple years. There are maybe 7 or 8 really top options that you need to have one of to compete. And no they aren't cheap.
The guy who has Mahomes doesn't have any other QB's. But I offered Baker, Deebo, 2.06, future 1st (I was the #2 pick this year thanks to some bad luck, but should be a contender). The guy has yet to see it I guess or is just letting it sit, but it's been offered for a few days.
That probably has as much to do with the roster consolidation issue prior to cutdown as it does to the value of the QB. If you offered Baker + picks you'd probably have a better chance to get a deal done. Adding in the extra players makes the deal less desirable.
IMO you are going to have to be giving a clear upgrade with a lot of value to pry Mahomes away as opposed to multiple good, but smaller pieces. So a dollar plus a fifty cent piece as opposed to 6 quarters kind of thing, if that makes sense.
That's what I'm guessing as well, just people don't like Deebo/Sutton as much (which is kind of crazy to me). I also send offers a lot, so maybe teams are just annoyed with me too, who knows.
If it helps to have more than one opinion, then I feel the same way Buckna does about your offer only I didn't put fingers to keyboard about it until he said it.
That's the part I don't get, because I view Deebo and Sutton highly, 2.06 is valuable and Baker could be a future star since he's fixed some efficiency issues. Maybe it's just I view my own players with rose colored glasses, but that doesn't strike me as 6 quarters, that comes across to me as that "dollar piece plus a 50 cent piece" with a quarter or two mixed in offer like @Bucknaexplained.
I rate Sutton highly, but Deebo as a couple of quarters. But that's me. I think Aiyuk came in and became the number one pretty quickly while Deebo was hurt. And Kittle comes back next year to suck up targets.
As much as dynasty players claim they value players from a long term perspective and player values don't fluctuate much, many have re-draft mindsets.
I actually think too many dynasty owners are always "playing for the future" and don't think enough like redraft from year to year.
That's not really the point I was trying to make (I did not make it clearly, admittedly) but I agree there's some truth in this statement as well.
To echo some of the sentiments, Deebo and Sutton are both guys I like and are targeting to acquire, but both have injury questions and doubt if they can bounce back. A guy like Mahomes, most are going to want clear upgrades/help with little question marks coming back.
I must say I would have turned down this offer as well on my Mahomes teams and most of those teams have a top 7 backup QB but I still would have passed.
I’d have them exactly as you lost them. I could flip Henry and Sanders if I was rebuilding.
It's a startup and have been contemplating Sanders over Henry. The 2 WRs are the other people I'm considering, but considering how things have unfolded, I can see 1 of them being available next round. Lamb, Jefferson, and Swift went in the first 14 picks. Has me scratching my head.
Exactly like you have them. I’ll probably be in the minority with Henry given his age and workload, but he’s just cut from a different cloth to me. Until he shows me any signs that he’s slowing down, he’s about as safe as they come at the position to me, even in PPR.
Exactly my thought process. Having trouble deciding between the 2. Sanders is electric, but had multiple injuries this year. And that oline is atrocious.
I see no reason to think Henry doesn’t have at least one more RB1 year in him. Given his running style, I could easily see 2 RB2 seasons beyond that. You’d have to bet on Sanders’ upside to put him ahead of Henry.
This is ffpc, right?
I think Calvin Ridley is a more skilled route runner and just all around better football player than the other WR you mention. He may not be as athletic as those guys or as big, but I think he is more consistent and reliable.
Swiftroarlions said:
This is why I ranked Dobbins as low as I did. Baltimore seems intent on making sure their most productive backs share time at inopportune moments. "Hey, he's producing at a healthy rate here. Don't burn him out!"
This is one where I can’t understand how you can rank them until we see where Williams and Jones end up...way too many moving parts which means there’s a ton of room for error.
Those of us that think Jones is elsewhere think Dillon is criminally under valued right now. I think once that happens then Dillon will vault to the RB15-20 range. Given the locations Jones is most likely to end up I think his value won't change much from what it is now.
I’m fairly certain Jones has been a top 5 rb the last two years. I think it’s safe to assume he’s playing elsewhere next year, but I don’t see his value changing much. Some team is going to pay him a lot of money and utilize him as such, and he’s one of the most dynamic backs in the league. I’m still very much on board, personally.
Where is he likely to go? I expect a bad FO to sign him.
I think Aaron Jones will remain and I'm not saying that overly confident but it's the way I lean.
Given Green Bay's cap situation and the other players that require a retain or not decision I'd be mildly surprised if he's retained at a meaningful dollar and shocked if he gets the franchise tag,
I could see Miami. Buffalo would be solid, but his TD rate would take a sizable hit. I’d be shocked if SEA signed him.
Carson is a UFA and Carroll has made it very clear what he thinks about the run game.
They have a lot of needs and a lot money tied up in their top guys. (I don’t know how many of those guys are cut or restructure candidates, however.) On top of that, signing Jones to a big deal is an obviously bad move, IMO. I don’t see SEA making that kind of mistake. I see them reuniting with Mike Davis (or signing someone like him), drafting a RB in the second or third, and/or re-signing Carson.
Unless a player has an existing health condition that requires scrutiny I try to stay out of the injury prediction business. Granted he's not been full strength every week but he's played 84.5% of his available games since he came into the league and that's not bad for a RB IMO.
