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--I've been spending time in West Palm since Jan 1. --really looking forward to 
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Not only did I have to look up the definition, but also how to pronounce it. Good one, and pretty relevant in this day and age. Added to lexicon.
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Tell your tourism board to start talking about the humidity more. And spotlight places in the panhandle.
rustycolts
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Yea and the mosquitoes as big as dragonflies also gators that prey on people. Also no one knows how to drive. Let's not forget Florida man. So yea that would be a great idea. I like it.
100%.
I know some assume every person not vaccinated is shouting anti-vax slogans from the rooftops.
The ones I know who aren't vaccinated keep it highly secret. They know how it would affect their reputation in the community.
I had a bad reaction to my second COVID shot. I don't like to tell people about it because (a) I don't want to feed into anti-vaxxers' confirmation bias, and (b) I don't want regular folks to think I'm some weirdo preaching the dangers of vaccines.
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BladeRunner
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You got yours in the shoulder? WTH? The guy administering mine said he had to do it rectally.
AND I'VE HAD FOUR TOTAL SHOTS!!!!
GroveDiesel
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I’m still not sure how it works but it’s crazy that that needle is so big that he has to put both hands on my shoulders to get enough leverage to get it in.
rockaction
Footballguy
I'm sorry to hear that, Maurile. Item "a" that you listed is exactly why I was silent about my problem.
IvanKaramazov
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For a college that wants to teach both physics and literature, I think it's super obvious that its faculty should have some intellectual diversity. For example, it should have some physics experts, and it should also have some literature experts.Joe Bryant said:
Other kinds of intellectual diversity would be just as obviously unwanted. For example, I don't think the university should strive to have both smart people and stupid people on its faculty. It might end up with some stupid people by accident, but it shouldn't specifically go out of its way to hire them.
Should a university want political-viewpoint diversity among its faculty? I think yes, to about the same extent that it should want to have racial diversity among its students (and faculty). Which is to say ... something weird must be going on if there's too little diversity, and it should be looked into. Maybe it's because of discriminatory hiring or admissions practices, in which case that needs to be fixed. Or maybe it's because the pool of applicants isn't diverse in every respect, in which case some outreach to underrepresented groups may be warranted. Or maybe it's just one of those weird flukes like how Hollywood actors tend to lean left while oil tycoons tend to lean right, and there's not much that can be done about it. In any case, I think it makes sense to treat enhancing intellectual diversity as a tie-breaker among otherwise equally qualified candidates, but it doesn't make sense to significantly diminish normal hiring standards for underrepresented groups.
rockaction
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It could be differing goals in life (academics hardly rake in the big bucks), cultural differences that are unpalatable to some (the noxious stink of grad school and doctorate politics), and just that brighter people who thrive in academic conditions find the left more suitable than the political alternative.
It could be, instead of fluky or arbitrary, very much a product of a whole host of things that don't reflect discrimination in hiring practices, but rather a conscious choice by prospective applicants.
Sand
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I have a pile of these that I half remember and think are probably right to use in some spots. I really should look them up again before spitting them out.
In college I played a word game (thought Computer Gaming World) that forced me to spend an inordinate amount of time with the English Oxford Dictionary along with other obscure English dictionaries. It has left me with the threads of memories of way too many of these. I actually won the last one of those contests and the sponsor promptly went bankrupt.
GordonGekko
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Scarcity breeds the conservative mindset.
If we thrust back into a nomadic hunter/gatherer society where day to day survival was uncertain, then the idea of "Progressive" behavior would be insane.
A Limousine Liberal might order some Blue Apron or Hello Fresh, a food box system. Or casually shop at a farmer's market on the weekend between their forays into changing over into European style furniture and decor. If you want chicken, go get some organic in a package at some overpriced quaint little local place.
In a world of scarcity, if you want chicken, you need to build the enclosures, feed them, daily maintenance them, think about predators and disease and the weather and the cost to keep them alive. If you want a chicken dinner you need to weigh out the trade off to losing possible eggs and then kill it, pluck it, clean it, gut it, dress it, season it, prepare it and then cook it. A chicken thigh under this scenario is extremely costly in time, effort, sweat, blood and risk.
It's easy to give things away that others work hard for ( the Progressive mindset that has taken over Big Education) when you aren't in the deep chain of production and the cost to yourself and your opportunity is brutal. What did Margaret Thatcher say? Socialism is a wonderful idea until you run out of other people's money.
This is part of the reason why poor rural Christian white America is so against some of the entitlements they see. London Breed is a complete and total idiot. My property taxes and all the other taxes and fees and licenses and all that other crap I pay feed into her salary. She wanted to roll out a program to pay street gangsters and thugs a cool 300 dollars a month NOT to go shooting each other. It's easy to do something that stupid when it's someone else's money. It's easy for a total political zero like Gavin Newsom to be extremely liberal. He grew up basking in the wealth and privilege of the Getty family. He came from political legacy and influence. He was protected from the day he was born by the wealthy elite. You don't think his take on lock downs would be different if he spent 15 years sitting in traffic and clipping coupons and worrying about what gasoline costs like most Californians?
Many educators lean left because they exist in a bubble where much of their progress is built on tenure and level of education. They aren't in the private sector fighting tooth and nail for basic survival. It's easy to be a liberal 50 year old teacher protected by tenure spouting something or other about social justice. What about a 50 year old in the trades and wondering how badly ageism ( a real problem for older workers in many sectors) will come to get him.
Many people are born into America into implied freedom and abundance and safety, compared to the rest of the world. There are mechanisms that keep nearly all Americans from literally starving to death.
When you are starving and fighting for your life all the time, you don't have time for pronouns. Or social justice. Or "equity" for Black Americans because of systematic racism.
Think about what "education" would look like a world of common scarcity. Let's say you and I were administrators and ran a closed off bunkered society where the outside world was full of chaos and death and what generally happens when organized cities/government falls. You could always use another doctor. A nurse. A dentist. An engineer. A mechanic. An electrician. A highly trained soldier/fighter. A skilled experienced farmer. How many English teachers do you need? History teachers? Psychology teachers? I'm not saying there's no value in any of those things in limited quantities, but something like art is a luxury when people are starving. The "education" being taught within scarcity would be farmers teaching young people how to be future farmers. Doctors teaching young people how to be future doctors. Mechanics teaching young people how to be future mechanics. Things needed for essential survival.
The majority of the people in Big Education and all the lower levels are luxuries of a society steeped in abundance and perceived "safety" Take that way and they are expendable. Most of them lean politically left because of that abundance. Because many are working essentially for the city or state and are protected in ways that the average private sector employee is not.
When authoritarian regimes roll in and take over, what does recorded human history teach us? To keep the masses at a certain level of compliance, it's just easier to take many of the school teachers and drag them outside and execute them. Nothing is more ironic that educators who avoid the grim brutality of human history despite it being at their finger tips.
All these left leaning liberal happy to be indoctrinated "educators" are trying to force feed the kind of new political order without understanding these "new utopias" will naturally dispose of them and purge them eventually. This is the basis of the saying, "The Left Eats Itself"
Of course if I bring up history, legacy politics, evolutionary biology, biological imperative, behavioral psychology and things that are plain as day by looking through the Mark I eyeball at how the world works on a daily basis, I'll eventually be called a bigot and a racist and xenophobe and a misogynist and an overall threat to society because my free speech isn't the kind of free speech that most of Big Education is willing to tolerate. When the socialist driven bent of modern Big Education talk about this mythical future utopia, they are talking about a paradise where all the Conservatives are purged first. And, yes Rock, that makes a moderate like you the new "right side of the aisle" And you'll be shown no mercy at some point as well.
Nothing makes me laugh harder than looking at the activist complicit Big Education cabal, where it's constant virtue signaling with the loaded constant threat of making sure you know they want to define what virtues should be the only ones to actually matter.
rockaction
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I honestly can't argue too much with that. Modern education has become a caricature -- something a professional and similarly useless irony-laden comedian would appreciate -- of free thought and inquiry.
Yes, abundance has brought Marxists upon us. Where better to have seen it than what I saw in the punk scene growing up? Middle class kids living off the fat of the land or their parents, hollering for more interventions in the name of Marxism and leftism, shown deliverance by a bourgeois music that could only have existed with capitalism as its economic foundation. Oh, I know it well.
At the end of the day, the prosperity created by sacrifice, blood, sweat, tears, and skin leaves the youth hollow with discontent toward the ends of our societal goal -- a consumer society -- and they seek meaning, finding it in rigidity and arguing for utopias that leave the bodies dead in ditches, it seems.
I am not so stupid as to miss this. Big Education is no home to conservatives because the left thrives on the fruits of others, permits the dalliances of the youth with liberal arts, and encourages, in the end, sadly, leftist orthodoxy. Orthodoxy and leftism that is found later in killing fields in Cambodia and the like.
All I was saying is that conservatives not choosing to be part of that left-wing educational system is a decision made with a full and clear conscience and is indeed a conscious one. There should be no whining about numbers like the privileged left-wing female STEM students do.
Conservatives make the choice not to pursue these degrees because of temperament, socialization, and renumeration levels. Is the hostility toward them (my friends all attest to this hostility toward conservatives to a man) acceptable in our society? No. But it's a blip on the radar compared to the other reasons degrees are not pursued.
Yes, abundance has brought Marxists upon us. Where better to have seen it than what I saw in the punk scene growing up? Middle class kids living off the fat of the land or their parents, hollering for more interventions in the name of Marxism and leftism, shown deliverance by a bourgeois music that could only have existed with capitalism as its economic foundation. Oh, I know it well.
At the end of the day, the prosperity created by sacrifice, blood, sweat, tears, and skin leaves the youth hollow with discontent toward the ends of our societal goal -- a consumer society -- and they seek meaning, finding it in rigidity and arguing for utopias that leave the bodies dead in ditches, it seems.
I am not so stupid as to miss this. Big Education is no home to conservatives because the left thrives on the fruits of others, permits the dalliances of the youth with liberal arts, and encourages, in the end, sadly, leftist orthodoxy. Orthodoxy and leftism that is found later in killing fields in Cambodia and the like.
All I was saying is that conservatives not choosing to be part of that left-wing educational system is a decision made with a full and clear conscience and is indeed a conscious one. There should be no whining about numbers like the privileged left-wing female STEM students do.
Conservatives make the choice not to pursue these degrees because of temperament, socialization, and renumeration levels. Is the hostility toward them (my friends all attest to this hostility toward conservatives to a man) acceptable in our society? No. But it's a blip on the radar compared to the other reasons degrees are not pursued.
GordonGekko
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I'm honestly not sure there is a place for Conservatives in the modern Big Education system even if they wanted to be a part of it.
So I didn't go to law school in my early 20s like some here, maybe most here. And I was one of the few that had full fledged careers already in place. I didn't even want to really do it to be honest. I just recognized in a a western culture of relentless "adversarial legalism" that it was a necessity of business survival given the time and place. But even then, I saw the fractures in the "system"
If I make a big mistake, I could lose my companies and my employees would be out of work and then how do their kids get fed at night? I had to worry about that. Lots of the younger people who got in right after undergrad and were riding on their parents funding were in a much different boat and mindset.
What makes me leery is the idea of this movement to silently act as if, "It's free speech and it's free choice, but if we make it punitive enough, you won't want to do it, which is all we want, to rob you of free speech and free choice without the guilt implied"
I actually find it more offensive that it's fully Beta behavior and passive aggressive than that it's an old bag trick of budding authoritarian regimes.
The truth is, I consider you a moderate and I believe you would make an outstanding educator. But you say things that are too true for the hard left and they'd come gunning for you. As for myself, I would be a rock solid completely lethal educator. I have decades upon decades of experience in media optics, finance, business operations, STEM and actually understand functional public policy, resource management, and logistics that's supported by an actual legal skill set and real trigger time. But you already figured out the radical left would just have someone like me outright killed. I find it bizarre that the political spectrum has moved so far to the hard left, that most days I operate less as a stoic mostly moderate Conservative and more as a newly branded miscast Libertarian.
If the "choice" is solely based on self preservation, I don't know if I would honestly call that a real choice. You might differ however.
But one thing is very clear. The hard left wants America's children. And they'll burn everything down to get them.
pinkham13
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We should all be opposed to the racist, anti Christian and communist ideals promoted in our schools and universities.
pinkham13
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I don’t like the registering part either. Would be nice to see the results though. It will show how lopsided our schools have become towards far left ideals. Encouraging everyone to emulate Angela Davis is wrong but that where we are in American schools. How do we fight it?
pinkham13
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How do you even cross the street? Life has risks. Covid was no more dangerous than the fluhttps://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/926089
pinkham13
Footballguy
Vaccines actually stop you from getting said disease. These experimental MRNA shots don’t do that or you wouldn’t need four or five of them and still get it. Please don’t call the shots vaccines. They don’t meet that definition.
IvanKaramazov
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Some of it really very simple. Every department meeting, every water cooler conversation, every lunch, etc. all include at least 5 minutes or so about why Republicans are stupid. Or, for variety, why Republicans are evil. It doesn't matter what the meeting is about. "Republicans are stupid/evil" is a universal ice-breaker in higher ed that you can use to open any conversation as a way of building trust and collegiality, and as a way of making small talk.
Most normal people who live on the right hand side of the political spectrum would decide that this field probably isn't for them. Everybody would recognize this as a hostile work environment (in the HR sense) instantly if we changed the particulars to make about women in STEM. But it's conservatives in higher ed and ideology isn't a protected class, so you end up with an entire chunk of modern thought completely absent.
(Along these same lines, if conservatives just stopped and thought about it for a second, they ought to be way more receptive to the concept of microaggressions and just not dismiss the notion out of hand. You know how briefly annoying it is when you fire up your browser and some company that wants to sell you a ####ty sandwich cookie is suddenly lecturing you about LGBTQ rights and you're like "WTF I just wanted to catch some highlights from last night?" That's what we're talking about.)
Thanks. You obviously have tons more experience with this as you work in this environment but from the folks I know in university settings, what you're saying aligns nearly perfectly with what I've heard them talk about as well.
FWIW, (maybe not worth anything) One of my friends would be considered pretty far left on this forum. And he jokes among his university department, he'd be see as far right.
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I'm in lots of zoom meetings with physicians, neuropsychologists, etc as part of a state-wide research project. Most of them lean left, but there is very limited mention of politics, compared to what I've heard in-person. My guess is because most things in zoom are recorded, or could easily be recorded.
Rich Conway
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This post has nothing to do with DeSantis, Disney, or politics, but is instead a public service announcement for FBG, as the above just reminded me...
https://thenextweb.com/news/muting-your-mic-doesnt-stop-big-tech-recording-your-audio
Exactly. That's a similar situation to my friend.
And I think it sucks that we're in a climate where we have these kinds of obstacles to talking about real things like this.
rustycolts
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The Commish
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You're awesome GB
The least interesting part of this whole thing is what is being focused on in these "surveys". If people want to understand the believed longer term objective you'll want to read Jason Garcia's substack and this PDF linked in it....it's the draft legislation that hasn't quite made it to the floor yet.
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rustycolts
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Thanks man I will read tomorrow. Have to take my wife for another procedure so I need more reading material.You're awesome GB
The least interesting part of this whole thing is what is being focused on in these "surveys". If people want to understand the believed longer term objective you'll want to read Jason Garcia's substack and this PDF linked in it....it's the draft legislation that hasn't quite made it to the floor yet.
The Commish
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Sending good thoughts to your wife, GB (and to you as well; I'm sure this can't be easy to watch her deal with all this).
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Reposting this from the other thread, where I fear it may have gotten lost amid all the dunking on squis for reposting a year-old article. IMO the real story here is both less sinister in some ways, but more troubling in others
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How a small, conservative Michigan college is helping DeSantis reshape education in Florida:
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How a small, conservative Michigan college is helping DeSantis reshape education in Florida:
My main takeaway from that piece is that DeSantis is basically taking the same approach to education that Roger Ailes took to TV news 25 years ago when he founded Fox: The existing institution (media in Ailes' case, education in DeSantis') has been utterly politicized by the left, so the only option for the right is to relentlessly politicize it in the other direction. They can talk all they want about "balance" or make libertarianish noises about parental rights, but this is ultimately a power play. You guys had your chance to pursue your own ideological goals, now it's our turn.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I more or less agree with you on this point FWIW. The correct opposite of "woke indoctrination" is "non-indoctrination," not "right-wing indoctrination." I'm all for the former and not particularly fond of the latter.
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