JohnnyU
Footballguy
As we both know, lots of these rookies may already be on rosters, so getting McConkey at 2.2 may be difficult. Who in this draft is already rostered?
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.
WR Ladd McConkey, LAC (6 Viewers)
- Thread starter Faust
- Start date
metoo
Footballguy
It's not happening now with his performance. Rostered: top 3 WRS, Bowers, Worthy, Allen, Benson, Williams, Maye.
1QB.
Faust
MVP
Jim Nagy
Ladd McConkey has twitchy feet. Confirmed.
: @AlisonWSB
Faust
MVP
Corey Buschlen
Per @Jordan_Reid Ladd McConkey posted a 4.04 Shuttle and 6.72 - that's a 10.76 agility score in the 95th percentile
If you add those scores to his @MathBomb RAS
His number jumps from 8.459.19
He's more athletic than both Garrett Wilson and Chris Olave
Comp him to Wes Welker again
I dare you.
Faust
MVP
How Ladd McConkey compares to Cooper Kupp in speed and agility drills
Grahamburn
Footballguy
I would be. WR is just so deep.
Teams aren’t going to see him as a dominant #1. I think you have to at least have that potential to be a first round pick.
Edit: Also, I thought we weren't allowed to compare him to Cooper Kupp?!
Last edited:
As pretty much the driver of this bandwagon, even I'm surprised at how much he's aced the tests. Kupp is the ceiling, but its looking more attainable.I would be. WR is just so deep.
Teams aren’t going to see him as a dominant #1. I think you have to at least have that potential to be a first round pick.
Edit: Also, I thought we weren't allowed to compare him to Cooper Kupp?!
Grahamburn
Footballguy
He'll be one of those guys that has a productive 10+ year career on a consistent winner and teams/fans will just be like, "damn we could have had him."As pretty much the driver of this bandwagon, even I'm surprised at how much he's aced the tests. Kupp is the ceiling, but its looking more attainable.I would be. WR is just so deep.
Teams aren’t going to see him as a dominant #1. I think you have to at least have that potential to be a first round pick.
Edit: Also, I thought we weren't allowed to compare him to Cooper Kupp?!
Probably a little. He rarely faced press at Georgia, so it could very well just be an experience thing. I noticed that with Brian Thomas, Adonai Mitchell, and Xavier Worthy too. Just not a lot of reps against press. Tez Walker was basically swallowed up by jams, and he makes me really nervous for that reason.
Meanwhile Malik Nabers basically destroyed anyone who pressed him.
Chaos34
Footballguy
Right. Above I note something odd in his game. Slow first couple steps then a really good burst into his routes. Ever play hoops and guard someone with really good hesitation moves? It's hard, and Ladd does something similar on the football field. So does Kupp, but it makes me wonder about press coverage.
Right about the other three you mention too. They didn't get pressed much that I saw and I watched a bunch of Texas. I'll add this about Worthy because it literally had me laughing watching him. When he was pressed, and granted it wasn't anything like nfl corners, he destroyed the db off the line with quicks. A couple of his longer tds came from beating press coverage. I loved him long before the combine, and it wasn't for his speed. It was for his complete game. As much as I like it, Ladd's is even better.
It depends on where they go, but for now, I have Ladd as wr5 and Worthy as wr6. That's maybe unfair to Franklin, Mitchell and a few others. It's a jumbled mess with a variety of different types of talent. I doubt anyone has it figured out. But what a class of wrs to watch.
I've got McConkey WR5, and I can argue him over Thomas depending on the type of WR a team needs. I've noticed that same thing about McConkey. Those hesitation moves are hit/miss, but they make defenders look silly when they hit.
I have a very different take on Worthy. I'm not a fan of his. He did destroy some CBs off the line, but several completely stood him up, and not like just top guys, but like day 3 CBs. I think Worthy is kind of soft, like he's small, but he plays small too. I thought both Dell and Downs were better prospects despite their size, obviously Addison too. I think Worthy is a #3 WR in the NFL. I think he's a Darnell Mooney level guy. I think Mitchell (my WR6 and maybe climbing) is a much better prospect.
Great class overall, and crazy deep. Probably 20 WRs in this class who look like at least #3 WRs in the NFL, and Harrison/Nabers might be the best combo at the top since Green/Julio.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Why is this exactly?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I believe both are the type of receivers that will need a top end QB and more importantly scheme, to be successful in the NFL. I saw McConkey get shut down in the senior bowl once they quit giving him a cushion. Worthy is 5'11 165 and I question his ability to beat physical corners. This is where scheme comes into play. A coach willing to use them the right way is paramount. A top QB delivering them the ball is important too, but you could say that about a lot of WRs. I just think without these things it limits both in fantasy production.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
If you can't beat press off the line not sure any QB is going to do much for you really.
Scheme may do though.
Scheme may do though.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yes, that is where scheme in how they are used is most important, but good coaching in their ability to get off the line is equally important. Especially with guys who already have the quickness to do so, but are lacking in technique.
titusbramble
Footballguy
So basically, if he goes to KC at 32 then to the moon, right?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
It couldn’t hurt
Faust
MVP
.@GeorgiaFootball WR @laddmcconkey02 takes us through the art of his route running
Love that @seniorbowl footage! @laddmcconkey02 got thatin 1-on-1's.
ChiefD
Footballguy
I would love to have him on the Chiefs. Perfect guy for them.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He won't get past the Bills.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Depends on the metrics, because some of his are great. Like Y/RR and 1dwn/RR. When he was on the field, he was big deal. And his tape looks good too. That's why he's getting the hype he's gotten.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Bill’s need a big outside receiver or someone who can pop the lid off the defense. They are stacked with guys who are better suited to play inside. I would be shocked if they even considered McConkey.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
A Tyler Lockett that doesn't go down on first contact. Though with his injury history, he might want to incorporate just a little bit more of protecting himself hah. If you're landing on "ah, he's that standard white slot guy who just outworks people", I think you're underselling him. He took nearly 70% of his snaps outside and worked as more of a flanker than a slot. And Harmon's RP had him in the 80% with success rate against man coverage. And you see that on his tape IMO, running very sharp routes, but also showing the ability and instinct to adjust those routes when he identified he was running against zone instead; carving routes between areas and finding the soft spots. He showed ability to run a full route tree, including being a solid deep threat. His hands are terrific and I only marked one drop for him in the condensed games I watched. I don't think his size will allow him to be a dominant X receiver, nor do I think I'd project him to be a top 5 guy in his career; but I think consistent seasons of 8-16 or so is much more likely than the WRs he's being drafted around, and often behind. I think depending on landing spot, he will be a QBs best friend and security blanket similar to a Lockett/Pittman/Nacua.
I'm having a hard time keeping him behind BTJ at WR5 in this class, and wouldn't be surprised if I bump him up to WR4 ahead of him when considering their respective ADPs. If I can trade back a few spots and get McConkey+ instead of BTJ, I'd be doing it. If I have to pick one player where I'm higher than consensus to plant a flag on, it's between McConkey and Pearsall at their current ADPs.
I'm having a hard time keeping him behind BTJ at WR5 in this class, and wouldn't be surprised if I bump him up to WR4 ahead of him when considering their respective ADPs. If I can trade back a few spots and get McConkey+ instead of BTJ, I'd be doing it. If I have to pick one player where I'm higher than consensus to plant a flag on, it's between McConkey and Pearsall at their current ADPs.
100% this.
The idea that McConkey is just some slot WR and isn't a downfield player who can't pop the lid off defenses is just bad information. He's very much on the same size/speed level as Zay Flowers a year ago, who was used as a deep threat, and a quick hitter guy.
If you just use last season, McConkey was outside on 79% of his snaps, with a 12.2 aDOT. Both numbers quite a bit higher than Xavier Worthy as an example.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
It has been mentioned that he has struggled with press coverage which is why if the case I think he is better suited for the slot. Obviously something many college receivers struggle with so he certainly could improve if it is actually an issue at all.
pinkstapler
Footballguy
Yeah, he definitely did struggle with press at the line (I believe RP had him just under 50% success rate, so not abysmal, but certainly a weakness [edit; also a small sample size]), and I'm guessing because of his size that it won't be an area of his game he sees vast improvement in. I think it's the type of thing that a good coach/OC can/should scheme around as just shoving him in the slot and leaving him there I think is severely capping his potential (ie. he's too good to waste there). Someone earlier in the thread mentioned he screams "McVay WR" and I'm guessing this is why. If the run his off the line as a flanker like he was used in college to avoid jams, line him up in stacked formations, run him through pre-snap motions to get free releases; that will vastly open up his potential. I guess another way to put it is he will be more landing spot dependent for sure. Few WRs of his size excel against press, but still find success through creative offensive schemes; I think he would fall in that group.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Would taking him at 11 in SF be a stretch? I also have 15 but I'm not sure he gets there at this stage. Obviously landing spot is everything but am I nuts for thinking to pull the trigger there?
I don’t think it would be. He’s probably going there or at worst a few picks later. Get your guy imo
Boston
Footballguy
Not at all...obviously the actual draft will change things but if it goes the way many are predicting you will have 4 QBs (Caleb-Daniels-Maye-JJM), 4 WRs (Harrison-Nabers-Odunze-Thomas) and 1 TE (Bowers) that will probably go before him but after that it's anything goes...as far as SF goes the x-factor will be Penix and Nix as when and where they get drafted will have a huge effect on your two picks at 11 and 15.
