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"Hey man it's real simple. We'll stop spreading lies about your constitutionally backed legislative process from your dutifully elected officials if you just concede to our demands and capitulate to our intimidation on the legislative process via threats and media pressure on your community."
Give me what I want and I'll quit whining. There's nothing Jim Crow about it. Even if you post it 100K times like everything else.
I thought Republicans were against unnecessary laws that fix problems that don't exist.
But see, a problem DOES exist: more blacks are voting and Republicans are losing elections. That’s a problem.
its not necessary to provide identification to buy a gun? tobacco? season MLB tickets? rental car? hotel room? even getting a Sams club membership you need a photo ID right?
can we agree to remove showing voter ID on all the other things in this country too then ?
Why do you want to disenfranchise black voters who's signature may have changed over the years?
Great, because nobody made that argument.
That’s pretty much the entire argument. Notice “blacks are too stupid to get an ID” and other racist vomit has nothing to do with it.
However I agree. Getting an Id is an absolute non factor. Everyone should get one. So we can at least eliminate that hurdle.
Whether you like it or not, getting an ID isn’t inconsequential for many people.
Your premise is wrong so I can't respond to the comment "what I believe underlies efforts to minimize barriers to voting"
There is some weid misconception that getting and ID is supposed to be, oh I don't know, something that requires zero effort I guess.
My premise is correct. We absolutely aren’t equal in ease of acquiring an ID. Just because the process is standardized doesn’t mean it is equivalent across all groups. Though you certainly can expound upon your response to my original post:
Regardless, you’re missing the larger point. The idea is to remove hurdles, not add them to the voting process.
That is such an absurd statement it's well..absurd. Standardization means EXACTLY that it is equivalent across all groups. Regardless of race, color or creed, the process to get an ID is 100% the same. I'm not missing the larger point. Who said the idea is to remove hurdles. Where did that come from?
No it is most certainly not...and people have explained how its not many times over at this point. Continuing to claim anyone is saying blacks are too stupid to get an ID is ridiculous at this point.
You’ve insulted me numerous times in this exchange, while refusing to clarify your original statement. Obviously you aren’t interested in a meaningful discussion.
I have not insulted you multiple times. I said what you propose is racist and absurd. If you take that as a personal insult, that's on you. And walking away because you lost the argument isn't unusual. You're welcome. I hope now you understand how horrible it is to propose something easier specifically for black people. It is a racist proposition. Let everyone do it the same way. I can't understand why that's so hard. But now you understand and this is good. One less mind to change.
What makes removing hurdles the ultimate goal? Should not providing a shred of integrity into the process be important too?
Because there is already plenty of integrity in the election process.
Its not silly. Those arguments have been shown as valid over and over again and studied.
Yeah my information is--you need IDS for everything and saying NOW it is an issue is gibberish. And of course it's an opinion, that's what we do here.
Lol....how? There is integrity in the counting, but there is very little integrity in the casting of votes. You can count the votes perfectly, but if there were shenanigans in the vote casting process it means nothing.
What kind of shenanigans to you suspect have occurred? We've heard a lot of claims from the right, including that the counting itself was rigged, but haven't seen any actual evidence of foul play. I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around what an ID would accomplish. When registering to vote you need to provide identifiable information, which then gets confirmed at the time of voting, whether in-person or by mail.
You dont need IDs for everything though. That is a false premise to start with.
People have to register to vote, which requires identifying information. What do you suspect is happening at the time of voting that requires additional identification?
Its silly that some areas still try to limit the amount of drivers license stations or hours in certain areas.
I don’t know that I suspect anything is happening.
I didn’t say make them difficult to get. They should be easy to get imo
I'm no constitutional scholar, but I do know the constitution says voting is a right.
Correct. I find the case for restricting gun rights to be far more compelling for the reasons above
And id laugh at anyone comparing voting as a privilege akin to buying alcohol or flying.
Well what do you knowsho nuff said:
8-5 M, T, Th, F in Michigan, 8-8 on Wednesday. I even drove 22 miles to the closest DMV and it is in the Hood.sho nuff said:
Again..it depends where. I will look up a few things later if I have a chance...traveling today after a morning of work...but there were specific instances in some states of how certain areas have limited hours and stations available. Been a while since I read it though.
They had cutbacks here a few years ago, closed the two that were closer to me. I totally get that it’s a PITA for many.
