'CalBear said:
'Joe Bryant said:
No surer curse in all of sports than the Madden cover.
Yeah, except for the fact that it's complete hogwash. In the past four years, five players have been on the cover, and four of them have played full seasons. Three of those were QBs who led their teams to the playoffs (Young, Favre, and Brees). Does the Madden Curse now mean that you'll break one of the most long-standing records in football, like Brees did in 2011? Good for Foster.
-Brees had by far his worst year as a Saint the year he was on the madden cover 22 INTs
90.9 QB rating
7.02 yards per pass
Oh, please. Brees' 2010 season ranked at the time as #2 out of 5 seasons in NO in terms of passing yardage and #3 in TDs. If you're going to define the Madden Curse as "well, he's not likely to have the best season of his career when he's on the cover," then yes, there's obviously a Madden Curse. There's also a "signed a contract" curse, a "didn't sign a contract" curse, and a "had a latte at Starbucks" curse.
-Vince Young's Career literally went down the tubes after he was on the cover... can anyone really deny that?
The year he was on the cover he played the most games of any year of his career, threw for the most yardage of any year of his career, had the best completion percentage of his career. Yes, his career went downhill after that--and so did a whole lot of people who weren't on the Madden cover.
-Brett Favre has been the only person to seemingly have a good year while on the Madden cover(of course he would break the trend)
At least half a dozen players have had good years while on the Madden cover. To claim otherwise requires ridiculous mental gyrations like "Eddie George had a good regular season, but he fumbled in a playoff game."
Calbear l I dont know how many times you've had this conversation, but judging by your tone I'd imagine a lot lol ... clearly its not logical to think something other-worldly is going on, but you have to admit its an impressive string of coincidences.
No, I don't have to admit that, because it's not true. Football players get hurt all the time. Football players have seasons which weren't as good as their last season all the time. Of the top 10 RB/WR/QBs in any given year, what percentage of them have a season that's equally good in year N+1? I'd estimate less than 20%. So, if 80% of the people on Madden covers have seasons which weren't as good as their previous year, that's not coincidence, it's the expected result.
LOL 2012 Peyton Hillis absolutely sucked, horrible year.
2011 Drew Brees had a very below par year for him... a clear outlier from the past 4 years. if you dont agree, please, follow this link
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/2580/drew-brees)
2010 I'll give you 50% on Fitzgerald... he had the worst non injury year of his career less than 1100 yards and 11.3 YPC ... but he still got 13 TDs
The only year in Troy Polamalu's career he played less than 11 games... he played 5 games!!!!!
2009 I mean you could talk about the sex scandal thats worse than sucking at football... but I understand this is just a biased way of looking for coincidences... so we wont count it
2008 I dont know what you were watching or talking about... but Vince Young threw 9 TDs and 17 INTs the year he was on the cover for Madden. Do you consider that a good year? I suppose he did stay healthy
2007 Shaun Alexander is a great example of dropping off a cliff
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AlexSh00.htm . From 1800 yards to 800. from 5.1 YPC to 3.6
2006 Donovan McNabb tore his ACL mid season... if not for that he was playing well... but his season got derailed...
2005 In Ray Lewis's 16 year career ... hes played 6 or less games twice ... 2/16= 13% . so the chances he got the madden cover on one of those outlier years is 13%. that is not a good chance, just so you know.
2004 wait... Michael Vick only played 5 games the year he was on the cover of madden? the only time (except his rookie year) he ever played less than 12 games in a season?
2003 Marshall faulk dropped under 1000 yards for the first time in 5 years. He also dropped to 4.5 YPC a significant drop from the three preceding years (5.3, 5.4, 5.5) . His YPC dropped to 6.7 the lowest of his career to that point.
2002 Daunte Culpepper regressed horribly from the year before.... but i suppose we wont count him because something catastrophic didn't happen.
2001 Ding Ding Ding you finally got one Eddie George had a good year.
you trying to argue that there is no correlation whatsoever is absolutely pathetic to me... I dont know why, thats just the word that comes to mind. In no way am I being biased or only looking at what I want to see.... its just so freaking obvious.... every single person regressed or got a season ending injury... every, single, one... you talked about how people are looking for the madden curse to be true so they do "mental Gyrations" to make themselves sound correct.... thats a crock of crap. look at what I just listed.... it is all right there... I dont even know how you can argue that. then you try to bring ridiculous statistics into it... please, enlighten me, what is the % that they bring in a player that regresses or gets a season ending injury 11 straight years?