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Wow....I've got catching up to do.... been absent in this thread.. my free time for FBG surfing has been non existent since opening my place.
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Wow, I'm proud of your niece too, just via your descriptions.Yesterday, my niece got her first real day. She wasn't really ready from a knowledge standpoint (we don't have all those fancy restaurant training systems). Barely knows anything about the menu, doesn't really know where anything goes. I'd thought about calling someone else into help a little.
But I figured a little mayhem would be exactly what she needed. It was a rather busy day (massive for a Tuesday, really), but it really didn't feel like it. I was shocked when I pulled the daily report. She did say she got frustrated at times, but I didn't see it. When I say it didn't feel like it, that's pretty remarkable. I've worked a lot of different days with a lot of different combinations of people. Me and the other experienced girl should've had been put through hell getting through a day like that with someone on their first day.
It got busy, but she just kept working (she does have her uncle's speed). I told her no matter what happens, just keep working your ### off and have a great attitude with people. When she didn't know what to do, just go refill drinks and bus tables. Everything has a rhythm to it. There were spots I didn't think she could make in time, and I was getting ready to cover if she missed, but she'd get there in time. It helps that she doesn't know a lot people (regulars know her, but not the bulk of customers). Like her uncle, she doesn't get caught up in chitchat. I told her stay friendly, but always keep moving. She did.
And she's got a love of the dirty work nobody else wants to do (sorry, but like her uncle). I had to kick her off of the dishes a few times. I gotta some dish time throughout the day.
Anyway, homegirl is good. I tried not to let her see my ####-eating grin throughout the day.
Of course though, she's also a homesick 18 year old girl. She headed down to NC last night after we had dinner to spend a couple days with her boyfriend. She's clearly got what it takes to help her old uncle through a business transition for a couple of weeks. But I'm far more concerned about her making good life decisions. We're not a judgmental family, and frankly, the things that she's done to this point would probably freak most families out. Kids need explore and experience what life has to offer. Make some bad decisions, learn from them, and hopefully, avoid the major ones. She's very open. We talk. I just listen. Hoping like hell she's really got as good of a head on her shoulders as I think she does. Bracing myself if she doesn't.
It is amazing how a widget is a widget. I work with multi billion dollar deals and the teaching process is oddly the same. Keep doing what you do!The last two days have been very encouraging. The departing cook is working a few days this week because I know she needs the money, but the past two days were just me and the remaining crew. So, a chance to really to do some teaching and see how some of the changes will look.
We've got a long way to go, but man, they've got some fight in them. We've gotten a chance to run through a number of "tests" to see how they'll handle it when things get crazy. It hasn't gone perfectly, of course, and that'll take a long, long time (I've told them the more mistakes we make, the better we'll be), but they don't panic. And they seem to be all-in on what I'm teaching them, and every time I ask more of them, they respond.
The way we've done this for the last four years, to an outsider, would sound ludicrous (because it is). It's worked great, but certainly some flaws and things that aren't sustainable. For example, for some stupid reason, I decided long ago, to do all the burger prep myself and always put up the food deliveries myself. Wednesday's are a critical day because both of those things generally have to happen (burger prep throughout the week too, but happening during a food delivery can be difficult). Wednesday mornings have always been just me and the main cook. She can handle the cooking while I spend some unknown amount of time getting pulled in a few different directions. And I can generally get all that other stuff done, and still be able to help her when I know she needs it. She frees me up to get so much other stuff done (probably main concern with her departing). The others have never worked a Wednesday morning and had no idea what threading that needle can be like.
So, yesterday, I had them both come in early. Won't always be that way, but I needed them both to know how to do the burger prep and put up the food delivery properly. We worked together, and got all that done (so weird that that scenario has never happened in four years). Most importantly, it turned out to be a pretty busy day, getting all that done, and it didn't feel like the wheels were falling off. In the past, on the main cook's day off, a big day was really hard to pull off. It was always my most difficult day of the week because we didn't do anything differently. Not much point, when it's only one day a week, but obviously, things are different now.
And for the first time, really, I'm actually teaching people. Not that I didn't at all before, but it was different. The departing cook has been off and on since she was 15 (30 years ago). I didn't teach her to cook from the ground up. It was a fine tuning, and really me just figuring out how to fit in with what she does best (though she actually wasn't the main cook when I got there). The biggest thing was putting her there, supporting her the best I can, and letting her shine. On the details, we discussed them figured out what worked best. A great system and relationship for that specific scenario, but not the way it needs to go now.
So, I'm teaching the one girl how to cook from the ground up. From the basics to the philosophy and reasoning behind why we do it a certain way. She's got a generally good handle so far. Good enough that she can handle it for an hour here and there while I get other stuff done. I'm always close by and know what's going on if she has questions. We haven't gotten to the point where she can handle the grill when it gets totally crazy (that will take a long time), but she's starting to be able to stack some orders with me in a support role. By the time lunch hits, I get her back out on the floor doing what she does best for now. Running the grill during lunch can be a total gauntlet. She'll be ready one day, but I'm not close to putting that on her yet. And I'm going to tell you, she's a rainmaker out on the floor. Her biggest challenge there is every male customer is trying to get her phone number and some of the female customers too. Even if she did one day develop into a star line cook, she'd still probably be more important on the floor. They share tips, so the rest of the staff surely wants her there.
One "down the road" item is knife skills. At the moment, we've never had anybody else with proper knife skills. I learned years ago on my own, but it just takes a whole bunch of time and practice. "Home cooking knife skills" really aren't applicable here. Not when you need to fine dice a few quarts of onions quickly, and most importantly, safely (I realize many places have equipment for such things, but I don't think they do as good of job as a good knife in the right hands and cleaning them is such a pain that it's not worth the trouble). I'm showing them the basics of the pinch grip, finger tuck, and guide knuckle. Not encouraging a ton of practice just yet. It's a delicate time, and I don't need somebody cutting themselves right now. But I know the pinch grip along took me about a month of doing it about an hour a day to finally feel comfortable.
So, maybe, one day. But for now, they are showing they can handle things while I have to get the knife work done. So that's all I need.
I'm still not totally sure on the real reasoning behind the cook leaving, but I'm absolutely confident that the change it has sparked is critical for us. It's forced me to the type of leader that teaches and trusts, and I can see a fire in their eyes from it. This had to happen, and I'm thankful to have gotten pushed into it.
I don't think about it much, and I'm absolutely comfortable with what we've got, but a day ever came that the cook wanted to come back, there'd be a place for that. I think the hours would be there to suit everyone, and she'd be entering an even better place than the one she left.
We're going to keep getting better, and becoming more of a team than ever before. At some point, we'll need one more. Who that may be, I'm not overly concerned with.
Basement took on a good amount of water (spent most of Thursday night funneling water to the sump pump), but don't think I'd be in the zone if the dam broke. Home and business are close to the dam, but higher elevation (not sure how much higher). My neighborhoods weren't listed as evacuation areas when they were worried it could fail late Thursday night. But I can't even comprehend what happens when a dam fails, so I really wouldn't know for sure. We got a break in the rain yesterday (less than expected), and as far as I know, the dam isn't considered an immediate risk for failure at the moment. I've been lucky so far, when much of the city hasn't.Are you in any danger with this possible dam break?
You can do it!Basement took on a good amount of water (spent most of Thursday night funneling water to the sump pump), but don't think I'd be in the zone if the dam broke. Home and business are close to the dam, but higher elevation (not sure how much higher). My neighborhoods weren't listed as evacuation areas when they were worried it could fail late Thursday night. But I can't even comprehend what happens when a dam fails, so I really wouldn't know for sure. We got a break in the rain yesterday (less than expected), and as far as I know, the dam isn't considered an immediate risk for failure at the moment. I've been lucky so far, when much of the city hasn't.
Flooding led to another crazy day in a crazy week. Some staff couldn't make it, others had others had to come late, but the public surely came. Huge day severely understaffed for most of it, and by the time they got there, we were so far behind on the behind the scenes stuff (prep work and dishes, mainly), that there was really no coming back from it. We closed 1.5 hours early just to give ourselves a chance to get prepped for today. It was either that or everyone stay way, way past regular closing yesterday to get prepped for today (which should be another big one). They'd given their all yesterday (not to mention this whole crazy week), but I felt that would be asking too much.
Even with losing an hour and a half yesterday, our biggest week yet is still in play. It would take close to our best day ever, and it's not likely, but possible. Either way, one of our biggest weeks ever in our first week since the departed cook has been gone has been good for us. I couldn't have picked a better training program for the rest of the staff, and myself. Getting through today won't be easy. It never is, and I'm always in some state of fatigue, but this one has taken a particular physical toll on all of us.
One of the best things about a small family-owned business is that it's perfectly acceptable to put family first.I have a feeling I've got what feels like an impossible decision coming, maybe sooner than I'd hoped. By all accounts, the departed cook isn't liking her new job so far (of course). We are in contact regularly, and maybe she's feeding me a load of horse#### (she's under no obligation not to), but it doesn't sound like she likes it. It's early and things could get better, and surely, she'll like a paycheck with all that overtime (she only worked 35 hours with me, though she basically had free reign to work more). She's very good, and I'm sure things will get better. We'll see.
But my niece is becoming more and more of a factor. She's got the speed, great attitude, vision, laser focus, and love of the crap work nobody else wants to do that simply makes my life a little easier when she's in the building. I knew she'd be good. Had no idea she'd be this good. I swear it's not just a bias from an uncle that loves her dearly.
I'm starting to consider things that would open up opportunities for more people, but as it stands in the short-term, it appears I've got what feels like an impossible choice on the horizon. The departed cook that I miss quite a bit and was in a near panic wondering how we'd ever make it without. Or my 18 year old niece, my favorite kid in the world and a hell of a worker, but I still have no idea how long she'll even live in this city. Logically, bringing the cook back if she wants makes the most sense given my niece's uncertainty. But I have no idea how I could look that kid in the eye and say no. She'd understand (we've discussed all of this), but I know she'd be disappointed.
We aren't at that bridge yet, so I shouldn't worry about it. But of course I am.
How about you use that opportunity (should it arise) to give yourself time off. Take 2 days off a week. Cut yourself back to 50hrs. Work On the business, not IN the business, as they say. Sounds like between the 2 of them they have the chops to do most of the stuff you're scared to let go off.I have a feeling I've got what feels like an impossible decision coming, maybe sooner than I'd hoped. By all accounts, the departed cook isn't liking her new job so far (of course). We are in contact regularly, and maybe she's feeding me a load of horse#### (she's under no obligation not to), but it doesn't sound like she likes it. It's early and things could get better, and surely, she'll like a paycheck with all that overtime (she only worked 35 hours with me, though she basically had free reign to work more). She's very good, and I'm sure things will get better. We'll see.
But my niece is becoming more and more of a factor. She's got the speed, great attitude, vision, laser focus, and love of the crap work nobody else wants to do that simply makes my life a little easier when she's in the building. I knew she'd be good. Had no idea she'd be this good. I swear it's not just a bias from an uncle that loves her dearly.
I'm starting to consider things that would open up opportunities for more people, but as it stands in the short-term, it appears I've got what feels like an impossible choice on the horizon. The departed cook that I miss quite a bit and was in a near panic wondering how we'd ever make it without. Or my 18 year old niece, my favorite kid in the world and a hell of a worker, but I still have no idea how long she'll even live in this city. Logically, bringing the cook back if she wants makes the most sense given my niece's uncertainty. But I have no idea how I could look that kid in the eye and say no. She'd understand (we've discussed all of this), but I know she'd be disappointed.
We aren't at that bridge yet, so I shouldn't worry about it. But of course I am.
Sounds like an amazing idea!How about you use that opportunity (should it arise) to give yourself time off. Take 2 days off a week. Cut yourself back to 50hrs. Work On the business, not IN the business, as they say. Sounds like between the 2 of them they have the chops to do most of the stuff you're scared to let go off.
I was just sifting through this thread.. do you still have these? My wife is from NM, and we are both big fans, but not many places sell them locally. My wife buys about 20 pounds of Hatch green chile every year from a UNM Alumni Association event in the DC area; we roast/freeze and then cook them throughout the year.Oh, and the most important update of the week...thanks a better friend than I deserve, we started selling Green Chile Cheeseburgers this week.
He's shipping Hatch chiles out of N.M. for now. Trying to find somebody to grow something similar locally (a really nice Anaheim would do in a pinch) for when he moves back East and my supply dries up.
Book title.Great effin’ thread!
What a journey...I know it’s one thing to update an MB. But one day, you may want to actually write a book about this. Know time seems to be at a minimum, but Food for Thought.
+10000000000How about you use that opportunity (should it arise) to give yourself time off. Take 2 days off a week. Cut yourself back to 50hrs. Work On the business, not IN the business, as they say. Sounds like between the 2 of them they have the chops to do most of the stuff you're scared to let go off.
We do. Though I've switched to ordering them through Amazon. These from NM Chile Co. My buddy was shipping them, and they were good, but inconsistent. The chiles through Amazon/NM Foods are just a lot better. Consistent and always a good heat.I was just sifting through this thread.. do you still have these? My wife is from NM, and we are both big fans, but not many places sell them locally. My wife buys about 20 pounds of Hatch green chile every year from a UNM Alumni Association event in the DC area; we roast/freeze and then cook them throughout the year.
Will have to keep this in mind next time that I make it through the Lynchburg area. Driving down to a lake on the VA/NC border in a few weeks (and meeting with my wife's NM family), but I'm guessing we'll take 95/85 instead of 81.
Great advice, and it has officially "arisen".How about you use that opportunity (should it arise) to give yourself time off. Take 2 days off a week. Cut yourself back to 50hrs. Work On the business, not IN the business, as they say. Sounds like between the 2 of them they have the chops to do most of the stuff you're scared to let go off.
See, work on the biz, not in the biz as @Sebowski said!Though, one option is extending the hours (even on a short-term trial basis). We close at 3 now. Closed at 8 as recently as 1.5 years ago (heck, it was 24 hours 15 years ago). My niece and Jessica would make a dynamite evening crew. I'd have to figure out the details, but it's a consideration. Oh, btw, Jessica was the night manager at Weenie Stand #2 many years ago (WS2 was wildly successful, but got a god father offer on the land from O'Reilly Auto Parts in 2010). She's been dropping that bug for the 6 months she's been here.
Likely moving forward with it, maybe even as soon as Monday, planning on closing at 6PM. It's a risk, on a number of levels. Night business was solid, but not booming when we cut, and it's been gone for a little over a year. We've got to be aggressive trying to get it back, and it'll take some time. Though, we've had many pleas to bring it back. It should just be a matter of getting the word out. And at the outset, I'll be working to close most days, coming in a lot later (with the cook that left/came back handling the early morning stuff). I'd always said I think I could drive night business if I was there myself (before, it as a close knit crew covering it, not generally the way I'd do it myself). Whether me or or any combination of the current staff, the people working those hours will certainly handle it better than it was before.See, work on the biz, not in the biz as @Sebowski said!
Make it a trial and see how it goes. Perhaps try not to make it as aggressive as going head to head with the new bar (maybe stay open until 6 or 7). If and when your niece leaves you can decide whether the best course forward is to scale back or hire someone else. Can the 71 y.o. cover some of the slack times in front?
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They won't let you down, not anytime soon.But if they do let me down, that'll help determine who keeps hours when/if the time comes that I buckle from having to carry the load and cut hours back. But I believe they'll come through (the cook hating that other job so utterly is fantastic for morale overall).
She needs to know that her hours are safe and potentially increasing. So let her know the moment she is through the door.Of course, my niece still doesn't know about the idea. She's still down in NC with her boyfriend, giving me a couple of days to work this out. I've told her I've got an idea, but not what it is (waiting to tell her in person or even over the phone). As far as she knows, the cook wants to come back, I'm likely to do it, and that leaves her own hours up in the air (and potentially zero). She was some combination of disappointed and possibly even pissed with me when she went back down (she was really starting to like it here, more than I even knew). She's gone dark on me for the last 36 hours. Most likely, she's just an 18 YO hanging out with her boyfriend not paying much attention to her phone. There are other possibilities though. She's due back today, so we'll find out.
18 yr girls "not paying much attention to to their phone" is a fairy tale in my experienceLikely moving forward with it, maybe even as soon as Monday, planning on closing at 6PM. It's a risk, on a number of levels. Night business was solid, but not booming when we cut, and it's been gone for a little over a year. We've got to be aggressive trying to get it back, and it'll take some time. Though, we've had many pleas to bring it back. It should just be a matter of getting the word out. And at the outset, I'll be working to close most days, coming in a lot later (with the cook that left/came back handling the early morning stuff). I'd always said I think I could drive night business if I was there myself (before, it as a close knit crew covering it, not generally the way I'd do it myself). Whether me or or any combination of the current staff, the people working those hours will certainly handle it better than it was before.
And I've got to count on people like never before. Great staff, but if some of the old habits creep back in, this will just add more to my already filled plate. If it works, the path to some time off is clear. But the staff seems gung-ho. New cook is all-in of course (the job she tried was the absolute perfect disaster she needed to see). The rest have driven this a lot. I mentioned the idea, and they've pushed me to do it. They love the cook and want her back badly. They've also grown to like my niece a lot (she's a great kid and very good), and they see how happy I am to have her around.
But if they do let me down, that'll help determine who keeps hours when/if the time comes that I buckle from having to carry the load and cut hours back. But I believe they'll come through (the cook hating that other job so utterly is fantastic for morale overall).
I think this is all what this was meant to lead to.
Of course, my niece still doesn't know about the idea. She's still down in NC with her boyfriend, giving me a couple of days to work this out. I've told her I've got an idea, but not what it is (waiting to tell her in person or even over the phone). As far as she knows, the cook wants to come back, I'm likely to do it, and that leaves her own hours up in the air (and potentially zero). She was some combination of disappointed and possibly even pissed with me when she went back down (she was really starting to like it here, more than I even knew). She's gone dark on me for the last 36 hours. Most likely, she's just an 18 YO hanging out with her boyfriend not paying much attention to her phone. There are other possibilities though. She's due back today, so we'll find out.
I've got 3 that I know won't let me down. A 4th that I've got some faith in, but has a history of letting me down (she's just been a stay at home mom for so many years and has a household full of adult kids with busy lives and no drivers licenses). She's a fantastic person which is why she's still here, but her role as a chauffer and nurse to anyone with sniffles will always come first. Much of yesterday, I pondered skipping the extended hours and just firing her. But that's not me, and the extended hours is what makes me the most nervous and will provide the most opportunity for others, so I'm going with that. We'll roll with it and deal with it she lets me down (not planning on counting on her for a ton).msommer said:They won't let you down, not anytime soon.
She needs to know that her hours are safe and potentially increasing. So let her know the moment she is through the door.
I got really lucky walking into a well-established place. I couldn't imagine building a place from scratch. I may try one day (I've got to do something with the free time I'm hopefully opening up), but that seems like an entirely different animal.Thanks for keeping this thread going. As someone who has spent the better part of 40 years in commercial kitchens, I enjoy reading the updates. A couple times in my life, I had the opportunity to open my own place and decided not to. For me the ability to go home after work and not take the problems home with me was the driving force. That and knowing I would spend most of my waking hours at work with a high chance of failure outweighed the possibility of success. I commend you for what you are doing, I know it is not easy but it sounds like you are beating the odds. Keep up the good work and keep us posted
Oh, I ain't going there. You are correct, that's not me. Plus he just doesn't sound like somebody I'd care to have a beer with.I love reading the updates and don't have much to add except this. Don't go to the other restaurant and buy him a beer, that is a very passive aggressive f off, you moron. Don't let him know he made a mistake, it is difficult to do, but the best revenge for you and Monica is the type he never seen coming. Also you seem like a no nonsense, straight forward guy, being passive aggressive is the exact opposite of that.
Keep doing good work and if my family ever makes it out that way we will stop in.
Ditto, good bump.@pollardsvision I know you are probably busier than the majority of the folks in this thread but I would love to hear the latest on the restaurant. Still rooting for you and plan on getting there one of these days!
We're very fortunate that things are kind of ho hum here. Business is good, staff is good.@pollardsvision I know you are probably busier than the majority of the folks in this thread but I would love to hear the latest on the restaurant. Still rooting for you and plan on getting there one of these days!
Thanks for taking the time to respond!We're very fortunate that things are kind of ho hum here. Business is good, staff is good.
Really, the only update is that my niece is likely going to be moving away in the next month or so to Florida with my brother and her step-mom that she hates 90% of the time (being away from her for a few months has allowed her to forget why she hates her, so it's back to the 10% of the time for now). That's a bit of a big deal. I'm not upset, but I shook my business up quite a bit, in large part, to make room for her. Now, I always knew it was very temporary and was fine doing that knowing it was temporary. If at any point, I expected any other outcome, it's my fault. She's a great kid, and I love her to death. So, I was wiling to take a risk if it meant betting on her and making sure she knows I care about her and believe in her. She needed help, so I helped for a bit and it was a fun experience.
So, this change means I've probably got to hire somebody part-time soon (which I've done very little of). It's a great well-paid job, but finding just the right person is tricky. But we'll figure it out.
Likely, I'll be going, hat in hand, back to the person I fired a few months ago. No idea if she'll be receptive, but it's possible and I hope she is. I miss her and we were super close before this (even if she was far from a perfect employee). I've always tried to do the right thing, and I never felt right about that one (even though it was really the only option at the time to help my niece out the best I could).
If she's not, then I might just try not hiring anybody for a while. It would leave us at just 3 employees (including me). It would basically mean no days off for anybody (they say they don't want any). A big risk heading into cold/flu season, but I might try it for a little while. Well, more aptly, I'll take my time trying to find the right person and not rush it. If circumstances arise in the mean time and we have to have a random closure here and there from being too understaffed or needing to give the staff a break, so be it. We've done that in that past, and it works out fine.
It's a little embarrassing, but we did have to close randomly Thursday because.........I got something in my eye.Update? I saw a FB post that you were closed today. Hope all is well.
I think they are back in school, but we don't see a huge bump from the college crowd, in general. The hours don't help, closing at 3:00, and we aren't that close to Liberty, though there are a lot of students and plenty do live in our area. We get a little more of the Lynchburg College crowd (well, University of Lynchburg now). We're much closer to them.Are students back at Liberty yet? Do you get a bump from them?