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Where did I say that?
Can't rationalize with people defending criminals. Yeah, let him go & pick him up later. I'm sure he wont commit any more crimes in that time frame.
How much do you think the flip side is true?
Oh I get it..So instead of chasing him down until caught why not shot him first to slow him up.
If being intoxicated and making bad decisions is a crime punishable by being shot...I should be shot nearly every weekend.
Keep changing what people are saying to fit your narrative. In this case, the criminal turned and attacked the officer. The officer pursued..and did not fire...until attacked with the tazer.
Are you sure? I think the interaction is far more likely to go calmly when the man is sober. This wasn’t a guy who committed a violent crime until the police became involved. He hadn’t shot at anyone or threatened anyone. Of course these assessments aren’t easy on the fly and definitely require a different kind of mindset and perhaps training/protocol changes similar to when many cities decided to end high speed pursuits because of the risk it puts on everyone involved.
Was he hit by the taser? I believe once its fired and doesn't hit anything it has to be reloaded.
I'm not sure...and neither are you. Nobody knows the future, but its always easy to arm chair QB.
He was blocking the drive thru so I get the need for him to move. Did Wendy’s try to talk with him? It seems like something that could have been resolved without police, but I don’t know that part. Also it seems like several times the officers were close to just telling him to take a nap once he moved the car. It’s a tragedy of so many small opportunities for a positive and calm resolution that went wrong slowly building to something violent and tragic. It’s probably an incident very much worth studying for officers about when the mindset should be to chase and when to let go, how small decisions can snowball and key decision points in an interaction.
Nobody is sure but it’s probably pretty easy for researchers to create probability tables based on times people managed to get away. What kind of original circumstances are likely to lead to an escalation of violence and what kind don’t. In this case, it seems really unlikely to me that this guy would go harm someone. Who would he harm? Again people are unpredictable but it’s a big step to go from drunk and passed out and resisting arrest to killing people.
Yep, I'd be interested in thinking through this and seeing the data / recommendations. I think the presumption that the outcome is better is not a given, and i'd lean towards a net negative...but worth thinking through and I'd be sure there would be some positive/niche learnings.
my guy... what are you even talking about, lol? Try to get your argument straight.
if you are going to try and sell me on the "born in a poor area" or "only had 1 parent" or something like that as holding someone back no, I'll disagree with you simply because I've been there, done that, seen way too many people escape those very things - they WANTED TO and they did it
should have never started that way either right ?
Start posting about it on bigger outlets like FB and Twitter. Call for justice for her. Most of these start as grassroots cases and you can be a voice on this one. It sounds like hundreds people showed up to protest it. Are you in the Sedalia area?
and many don’t. I look at it like this, in poker any hand can win. Even a 2-6 off suit can deliver a monster payoff. Pocket kings is a great starting hand but also one that could cost you all your money if you misplay it. It’s all about probability. Of all the people born with bad hands, some will play them well and profit with them but the probability says most will still end up with a weak hand once the river comes. You can land that lucky inside straight or you can bluff a low pair to success. But most inside straights never hit and many bluffs ultimately get called. Just because person X turned a 3-6 of clubs into a straight flush, doesn’t change the fact that it’s still a bad hand that puts a player at a disadvantage.
Gotcha, and we are right back full circle to the "I did it, so everyone who wants also can do it" portion of the program. While also ignoring stats presented to you that have 0 to do with intelligence, hard work, desire to excel, etc.. Ie: two exact applications with different names, and one gets X number of interviews and job offers more. We are (at least I am trying to) talking about obstacles that are statistically weighted more for certain groups of people that have nothing to do with choices, effort, or desire.
Please have some knowledge on the tactical specifications of the taser before commenting. And please have some knowledge on the case at hand before commenting.
You mention seizure of assets... this is not really how it goes in real life for typical crimes of DUI and others in big cities like Atlanta, Chicago, etc. What happens in real life is a warrant may or may not be issued, Brooks will likely not turn himself in because it would violate his probation and he goes back to county, and the only way he gets arrested is if he is stopped by the police again and a name check pops the warrant, where... he has another opportunity to fight/flee if he so wishes.
In these terms I assume you are mostly speaking of financial advantages that someone has to start off. That leads to the better schools, etc. Also having a strong family backing the individual is extremely helpful. I'm not sure we can ever legislate our way out of either the financial or familial advantage. If it's a situation of we need to try and bring our education system up across the board I think that's a good start. But no two people are never born on equal playing fields financially or family wise other than siblings.
Just curious what’s your background (if you don’t mind revealing) are you I’m law enforcement?
No, but I have worked for the gov't in an area that overlaps with police officers. I've had similar training in law and some lethal and less than lethal training.
Poker is not the best analogy for life, because unlike poker you can improve your hand (the flop, turn and river are all luck in poker). But this framework is largely true, which is to say it is inherently unfair but the government should establish equitable rules and a safety net / infrastructure aimed to keep players in the game and opportunity to improve their hands.
I was simply using it as an analogy against his argument that because some people have overcome major odds to become successful that the same can happen to anyone or nobody deserves any special empathy. Life, like poker is an incredible blend of skill, patience, guts, instincts, reasoning but still strongly hinges on a random chance. It was not meant as an argument for or against any economic system.
Great info thanks. How much of that has to be that way and how much of that could be improved?
I think if bias' are reduced on both sides it makes it much easier to apprehend someone or be apprehended. Both parties would likely feel safer. I know i would prefer someone i know taking me in or interacting with me in general over someone i don't know and worry might plant something or just make up something to hit their quota or just rough me up.
using that analogy you're right - its all about how you decide to play and we all can get bad hands dealt to us can't we ? maybe the key is the poker players who have studied the game, understands when to push, who has the advantage, how to read other players and how many big blinds you have left in chips vs the people who never try and understand the game and literally lose all the time because they don't care to put the effort and work into understanding cards?
and ok you might believe that but its not provable - systematic racism is invisible whereas I can point you to literally organizations and companies and groups and magazines and scholarships and quota's etc that specifically cater to minority people and shut out other races
I don't 100 %understand all these poker analogies, but what people are presenting with the stats is that while what you are saying is true - we can all choose to study the game, we could all start off with the same cards, but for one group it's X% less likely that the cards on the flop will help them get the outcome they need to take down the pot. Then maybe the turn is also X% less likely to give a card that helps, etc.. So yes, hard work and studying the game is essential, but statistically it only goes so far if one group is less likely to get the cards they need to play the game.
Sure but in life you only get one hand. There’s no folding and waiting for the next deal.
You keep saying this, but always skip right over the endless links, docs, etc.. that people give you.
what you are suggesting is the dealer is dealing worse cards to some people than others - you cannot prove it and yet you're asking for rules in place to give some people better cards in an effort to combat what you cannot prove.
I don't skip them - you seem to think its an invisible systematic issue and I think its not, especially with all the anti-racist laws we have and literally all the laws we have that discriminate to HELP minorities
I got dealt a hand 25 years ago - a beautiful wonderful person. I invested heavily in that hand .... and last year that hand folded on me.
I’m sorry to hear about that. This analogy is well past it’s usefulness, but just saying in poker hands change at the flop, turn and river.
This is just disgusting. Now they need to go back over his previous arrests and see if anything fishy turns up. No way this guy was playing it straight.
indeed. If 3 people in the department talked openly to each other like this it makes you wonder how many more do. Or if their bosses do, or if that leads to their policies of enforcement and profiling black people. #systemic. i'm sure a few posters in here will come defend them or something however.
