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And on that day, Net Neutrality died (1 Viewer)

Sometimes it feels like political opinions are purely based upon whether or not it upsets people from the other party.

"Hey, if it bothers the liberals (or Republicans) it must be good."

 
Bozeman Bruiser said:
:lmao:

So much manufactured hysteria. 

Do you know what their new promise says?

I'll help.

Would you explain the difference between:

"not throttle back the speed at which content comes to you" and "not prioritize internet traffic" 

AND

"we do not block, slow down, or discriminate against lawful content"

As far as I can tell, the only difference is the "lawful content" part.

So, I guess anyone who streams illegal content should be upset. Is that why you guys are so upset?
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Net Neutrality and Title II protected us from the shady #### ISP's did.

Pre 2015, Netflix had to cut deals with ISP due to them allowing interconnection points to get congested.

Post Title II implementation, Cogent's CEO says that interconnection points are nearly congestion free.

Also, blocking and throttling are not banned under Restoring Internet Freedom.  In paragraph 259, the FCC writes: “We find the no-blocking and no-throttling rules are unnecessary to prevent the harms that they were intended to thwart.” So, they promise not to throttle, but since there are no rules against it, they can throttle, since they have throttled in the past.

You can read what they say and believe them, or you can look at what they have done to judge what they will do.

 
Chaka said:
Most of the nation only has one legitimate option for high speed internet.

Technically there are competitors but you get significantly lower speeds for the same prices, or more.  For example I can get up to a 300 MB connection, allegedly, from my cable company and the next competitor can offer a max of 25 MB for the same price. That holds for all speed price points.  That feels like a no-choice "choice" to me.
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Right, I get that, I guess it was more the 2nd part of what I bolded.  

they start feeling it in their pocketbooks, they may finally see the light on this issue

 
Bobcat10 said:
Right, I get that, I guess it was more the 2nd part of what I bolded.  

they start feeling it in their pocketbooks, they may finally see the light on this issue
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Sadly people are acting like this is a partisan issue and it's not. When the people who support the people who overturned NN, start suffering increased costs perhaps they will realize this isn't about party affiliation and speak out in favor or reinstating NN like they should have from the beginning.

 
LAUNCH said:
https://youtu.be/ltzy5vRmN8Q

The repeal of Net Neutrality is a hot topic in America, but it can be very difficult to understand. That’s why the BURGER KING® brand created WHOPPER® Neutrality, a social experiment that explains the effects of the repeal of Net Neutrality by putting it in terms anyone can understand: A WHOPPER® sandwich.
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:lmao:

Small print disclaimer at the end says it was actual customers.

 
Surprised there isn’t more discussion on this again with the Senate trying to pass something to reinstate NN. They need one Republican vote apparently. 

I had earlier emailed my Rep (R) and his response some time ago was some spiel about it being good for the consumer. But in a twist today, since I’m now on his mailing list, he sent a poll about whether I agreed with FCC repeal. Of course I voted Strongly Disagree. He might see some numbers on this and change his mind. But he probably barely knows what the internet is so I’m not holding my breath. 

Email your Senators and Representatives!

 
Johnny Rock said:
Surprised there isn’t more discussion on this again with the Senate trying to pass something to reinstate NN. They need one Republican vote apparently. 

I had earlier emailed my Rep (R) and his response some time ago was some spiel about it being good for the consumer. But in a twist today, since I’m now on his mailing list, he sent a poll about whether I agreed with FCC repeal. Of course I voted Strongly Disagree. He might see some numbers on this and change his mind. But he probably barely knows what the internet is so I’m not holding my breath. 

Email your Senators and Representatives!
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Of course it's good for consumers. It's good for them to pay more money to corporations who make contributions to political campaigns to keep the same representatives who probably believe they have the interests of their constituents at heart and...hmmmmm...Therefore...uhhh...erm....repeal = good?

 
I called my senator and told him I supported Net Neutrality.  Ted Cruz.  Wonder how he'll vote...

 
Johnny Rock said:
Surprised there isn’t more discussion on this again with the Senate trying to pass something to reinstate NN. They need one Republican vote apparently. 

I had earlier emailed my Rep (R) and his response some time ago was some spiel about it being good for the consumer. But in a twist today, since I’m now on his mailing list, he sent a poll about whether I agreed with FCC repeal. Of course I voted Strongly Disagree. He might see some numbers on this and change his mind. But he probably barely knows what the internet is so I’m not holding my breath. 

Email your Senators and Representatives!
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Psychopav said:
I called my senator and told him I supported Net Neutrality.  Ted Cruz.  Wonder how he'll vote...
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:lmao:

Cmon.

 
Dedfin said:
Johnny Rock said:
Surprised there isn’t more discussion on this again with the Senate trying to pass something to reinstate NN. They need one Republican vote apparently. 

I had earlier emailed my Rep (R) and his response some time ago was some spiel about it being good for the consumer. But in a twist today, since I’m now on his mailing list, he sent a poll about whether I agreed with FCC repeal. Of course I voted Strongly Disagree. He might see some numbers on this and change his mind. But he probably barely knows what the internet is so I’m not holding my breath. 

Email your Senators and Representatives!
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Psychopav said:
I called my senator and told him I supported Net Neutrality.  Ted Cruz.  Wonder how he'll vote...
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:lmao:

Cmon.
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I don’t get it. Why was I quoted in this cryptic way?

 
ACLU is telling me the Senate voted to reverse the FCC decision (to kill net neutrality). Hooray?

I guess we need to convince our House Reps of the same now.

 
Johnny Rock said:
I don’t get it. Why was I quoted in this cryptic way?
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Because both of you vote R and think you can pressure your R reps to change their minds.  That's hilarious.

 
Dedfin said:
Because both of you vote R and think you can pressure your R reps to change their minds.  That's hilarious.
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You set the comedy bar low, friend.  I envy you, you must be laughing all day long.

 
culdeus said:
Att is in his back pocket. Not happening 
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It's all setting up for 5G rollouts and network slicing capabilities. This will enable operators to provide portions of their networks for specific customer use cases. People really don't understand how much control and power these wireless operators will have with 5G, absent net neutrality. 

 
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A small win for Net Neutrality. Could’ve been way worse.

Still under Pai’s repeal for now but it leaves the door open to hopefully a bigger NN win later. 

 
Dedfin said:
I think mostly everyone cares about this, but they don't have it as a high priority so they will keep supporting the same #######s that are going to kill the internet. For example I'm sure all the nerds at 4chan will be fine with it because what's more important is perpetuating the nihilist freak republicans for the lulz, so they'll be fine with hurting themselves with this garbage. Then you have all the leftover old people born pre-1940 who 95% of them have no idea what the internet does but their church says baby jesus would be a republican, so that's what they are. And they vote at a higher rate than anyone. The internet is gonna die.
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"The internet is gonna die."

How did this prediction fare?
 
Amused to Death said:
SHIZNITTTT said:
The biggest threat will be the "throttling" of Netflix, Amazon, and other sites where you want to watch movies and other large files. Or, pay a #### load more money to have the access to not be "throttled!"
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This is what its about, cable companies losing money to internet streaming sites. Verizon charges Netflix to access their "fast" lane - Netflix raises your monthly fee.

Oh, and no more free pron.
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On the other hand, it does kind of suck that you can no longer find free pron on the internet.
 
Statorama said:
bcdjr1 said:
My point was that ISPs aren't going to be looking to charge their private consumers more for the same services they get now once net neutrality is gone. They could do it now if they wanted, but competition reins that in to some extent and that would not change. Also, having more people using their services means they will have more leverage when they start charging content providers more for more bandwidth to serve their content to the ISPs customers. Because while you would have the option to change which ISP you use to get your content, the content providers can only serve it to you on the ISP you've chosen.

You'll still have to pay more when the content providers increase their fees to pay for greater bandwidth, but it won't be an increase in the bill you get from your ISP. This also makes it more difficult for a new ISP to start up in your area as they will be less likely to get content providers to pay for more bandwidth when they have fewer customers to serve it to and they can't charge the customers more to make up for that loss of revenue.
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Thanks for being a cool head when everyone else is running around with their hair on fire.
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Notice how sane, rational takes tend to age much better than unhinged bumper-sticker takes.

There might be a lesson there that extends beyond the topic of technology infrastructure.
 

What's happened when net neutrality went away?​

What ended up happening in the years after the rollback went into effect in 2018 was so discreet that most people unlikely noticed its effects, says Stanford Law professor Barbara van Schewick, who directs the school's Center for Internet and Society and supports net neutrality.

For the past six years, she says, "a lot of public scrutiny on the ISPs and then the attempts to bring back net neutrality in Congress basically kept the ISPs on their best behavior."

Still, there were changes. Some ISPs implemented zero-rating plans, the practice of excluding some apps from data charges, she notes, or were caught throttling — intentionally slowing down consumer internet speeds.

Absent heightened federal regulation, tough net neutrality rules that sprang up in several states, including California, Washington and Oregon, also have continued to keep internet service providers in check.

"It's still being litigated," van Schewick says. "And so, it is fair to say we haven't seen a world without net neutrality."
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Whether this was ultimately a nothingburger or if companies were just biding their time or hadn't gotten desperate enough I guess we won't know (and are better off for it). Remember it's not like people were just inventing these scenarios out of thin air. The internet was already headed down that path, which is the reason net neutrality laws came about in the first place.

Netflix pays AT&T to ensure streaming quality (2014)

So it makes sense that they'd slow play it or keep it in their pocket (or use it in less obvious ways that we may not even know about) when the risk of that regulation returning is still relatively fresh.

We could just as easily say the arguments in favor of repealing net neutrality ended up being nothingburgers as it's not like the ISPs rolled out a bunch of tiered test plans to hasten innovation, which was the primary alleged argument in favor of the repeal.

Ultimately, regardless of what did or didn't happen so far, it makes little sense to not have common sense regulations to prevent companies in an essential and government subsidized non free-market industry from taking advantage of those government granted privileges to act maliciously in a way that would harm the consumer. If they promise not to, what harm does it do to put it in writing?

It's not like it even only protects consumers. But small businesses as well. I'm not nearly big enough of a threat in the vacation rental market yet, but one day if I am I'm glad Vacasa or Airbnb can't just pay Comcast to throttle access to my site to protect their stranglehold on the industry, on the network that I (as a taxpayer) helped build in the first place. They probably won't, but unless you own CMCSA stock and are hoping for a future revenue source, why not actually put it in writing?

Landline telephone lines are subject to utility regulations, for goodness sake. I think it's fair to say the internet and mobile networks are at least as necessary as landline telephones.
 
FreeBaGeL said:

What's happened when net neutrality went away?​

What ended up happening in the years after the rollback went into effect in 2018 was so discreet that most people unlikely noticed its effects, says Stanford Law professor Barbara van Schewick, who directs the school's Center for Internet and Society and supports net neutrality.

For the past six years, she says, "a lot of public scrutiny on the ISPs and then the attempts to bring back net neutrality in Congress basically kept the ISPs on their best behavior."

Still, there were changes. Some ISPs implemented zero-rating plans, the practice of excluding some apps from data charges, she notes, or were caught throttling — intentionally slowing down consumer internet speeds.

Absent heightened federal regulation, tough net neutrality rules that sprang up in several states, including California, Washington and Oregon, also have continued to keep internet service providers in check.

"It's still being litigated," van Schewick says. "And so, it is fair to say we haven't seen a world without net neutrality."
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Whether this was ultimately a nothingburger or if companies were just biding their time or hadn't gotten desperate enough I guess we won't know (and are better off for it). Remember it's not like people were just inventing these scenarios out of thin air. The internet was already headed down that path, which is the reason net neutrality laws came about in the first place.

Netflix pays AT&T to ensure streaming quality (2014)

So it makes sense that they'd slow play it or keep it in their pocket (or use it in less obvious ways that we may not even know about) when the risk of that regulation returning is still relatively fresh.

We could just as easily say the arguments in favor of repealing net neutrality ended up being nothingburgers as it's not like the ISPs rolled out a bunch of tiered test plans to hasten innovation, which was the primary alleged argument in favor of the repeal.

Ultimately, regardless of what did or didn't happen so far, it makes little sense to not have common sense regulations to prevent companies in an essential and government subsidized non free-market industry from taking advantage of those government granted privileges to act maliciously in a way that would harm the consumer. If they promise not to, what harm does it do to put it in writing?

It's not like it even only protects consumers. But small businesses as well. I'm not nearly big enough of a threat in the vacation rental market yet, but one day if I am I'm glad Vacasa or Airbnb can't just pay Comcast to throttle access to my site to protect their stranglehold on the industry, on the network that I (as a taxpayer) helped build in the first place. They probably won't, but unless you own CMCSA stock and are hoping for a future revenue source, why not actually put it in writing?

Landline telephone lines are subject to utility regulations, for goodness sake. I think it's fair to say the internet and mobile networks are at least as necessary as landline telephones.
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Speed is but one facet. Not sure how many have noticed, but your search engines are changing again. What's allowed to be tracked under the guise of "public domain" is changing back again. Many different things are touched by these laws.
 
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