I would have hated it 10X more if it was Mac.They paid a huge cost for a huge gamble. Hate that pick
No change this year. And no change going forward if Kyle can get him dialed in on accuracy in this system. Aiyuk maybe ticks up a bit as a deep threat imo, after this year.Does this hurt or Help Deebo & Aiyuk?
need2know said:They paid a huge cost for a huge gamble. Hate that pick
I get it, but I'll maintain that the likelihood of Jones winning a SB is higher than Lance winning one.facook said:I would have hated it 10X more if it was Mac.
It should help long term . This kid already has experience running a horizontal passing game.Helaire-ious said:Does this hurt or Help Deebo & Aiyuk?
Kawakami thinks Shanahan got talked into Lance in the last 24 hours. Who knows if kawakami is right. But if he is, there were serious problems with the process here.The story about this pick will be fascinating. I really do wonder if they were ever going to take Mac now. The idea was just completely incoherent to me.
To each their own I suppose because I love this pick. Sanity has prevailed.need2know said:They paid a huge cost for a huge gamble. Hate that pick
Many of us were saying that at the start. Trading to 3, before the draft, and not being 99% sure of the selection seems like something Kevin costner would do.Kawakami thinks Shanahan got talked into Lance in the last 24 hours. Who knows if kawakami is right. But if he is, there were serious problems with the process here.
It seems to me they were dead serious about three potential QB's in this class, and they decided to pick the best scheme fit with the highest upside of the three.Many of us were saying that at the start. Trading to 3, before the draft, and not being 99% sure of the selection seems like something Kevin costner would do.
You get another Cousins and hope, or you take a huge swing for a Mahomes and hope. Frankly, I think the odds are 50/50 that EITHER (edit: either of Jones/Lance more likely than the other) would win a SB, but the huge swing is that you get a generational guy. Jones ain't that.I get it, but I'll maintain that the likelihood of Jones winning a SB is higher than Lance winning one.
I get it. The 3 was too high for Jones. But he can be a really good QB.You get another Cousins and hope, or you take a huge swing for a Mahomes and hope. Frankly, I think the odds are 50/50 that EITHER (edit: either of Jones/Lance more likely than the other) would win a SB, but the huge swing is that you get a generational guy. Jones ain't that.
Yep. I imagine that's exactly the calculation the 49ers brass made.You get another Cousins and hope, or you take a huge swing for a Mahomes and hope. Frankly, I think the odds are 50/50 that EITHER (edit: either of Jones/Lance more likely than the other) would win a SB, but the huge swing is that you get a generational guy. Jones ain't that.
So they should have taken Fields? Or just not made the trade at all?Colossal risk at this point. All the draft capital for a guy that has so little experience behind him. I hate that trade. I hated it from day 1 though because jones at 3 was nuts and everyone knew it. The guy is going to fall into the 20s
It was fun watching everyone trying to justify him at 3
McCorkle Jones, LMAO. So dumb. They took the QB with by far the most upside in this draft. So many ignorant, low football IQ comments in here. Lance was a homerun pick for this team/coaching staff. Get a tissue and get over it. You'll be happy they passed on pudgy Cousins and another OSU failure in no time.I think the Niners really f'd up. They could have paid much less to move up one pick to get Fields OR, just waited for Jones to fall to them at 12. I didn't like the trade from the beginning and I like it even less now (if that's possible).
Trey is Shanahan's guy. He has been his guy since last January.I think the Niners really f'd up. They could have paid much less to move up one pick to get Fields OR, just waited for Jones to fall to them at 12. I didn't like the trade from the beginning and I like it even less now (if that's possible).
Yep. They swung for the fences on this one.McCorkle Jones, LMAO. So dumb. They took the QB with by far the most upside in this draft. So many ignorant, low football IQ comments in here. Lance was a homerun pick for this team/coaching staff. Get a tissue and get over it. You'll be happy they passed on pudgy Cousins and another OSU failure in no time.
Yep, they knew it was Lance the whole time for sure. Still think the Jets might have told Shanny they were locked into Wilson there over a private phone call (no downside to that) and that's why SF went up there. Seems he wanted Lance the whole time and the NFL was forcing them to be a bit quiet about it for ratings.“Now, we wanted an opportunity to go and look at everybody, but I think just looking at this whole process, I think I was in Mexico the day we made the trade and within hours, there’s at least two people who are out there speculating that their opinions are they think we’re taking Mac Jones and ever since then, I’ve kind of just watched every single person assume that that was accurate and that those weren’t opinions, those were facts,” Shanahan said in a video conference. “We didn’t feel that way from the beginning. I wouldn’t have said there’s no chance we wouldn’t have. We were going to go through this process and I would never have said it couldn’t have ended up being him, but I know how we felt about Trey the whole time.
The kid s a project. He may very well succeed but he's a project. You don't mortgage the future for a project.Trey is Shanahan's guy. He has been his guy since last January.
This kid has every single trait teams are looking for from a potential franchise QB. I actually don't understand what's not to love.
It seems to me Shanahan realizes now he screwed the pooch by passing on Mahomes and Watson, and he can't win in this league consistently without top tier talent. Also, fwiw, the Falcons, the Panthers, and the Broncos, who are in need of QB's, passed on Fields and Jones.
When teams are evaluating QB prospects, sometimes they just have to take a leap of faith and bet on the kid that he's going to figure it out at the next level. I am actually of the opinion that if this kid had played this past season, he wouldn't have even been available at #3 overall. He might have gone first overall.
If Trey Lance figures it out, nobody is going to care about those first round picks ever again. Time will tell.
San Fran looks terrible today. They made a bad trade and then panicked.The kid s a project. He may very well succeed but he's a project. You don't mortgage the future for a project.
Explain the panicked part, if you would.San Fran looks terrible today. They made a bad trade and then panicked.
I get taking the risk if you own that pickneed2know said:They paid a huge cost for a huge gamble. Hate that pick
I'm in the complete opposite of you. Playing 17 games in a small school division matters a lot. The NFL game is massively faster, more complex and difficult to navigate. Dang right you better have lots of experience on the field against great competition to hone those skillsLove the pick... it was Lance then Wilson, then Fields in a lower tier for me. Fields just isn't a twitchy player in my eyes. He may be fast and have a strong arm, but he doesn't "play fast". And I"m not talking about processing or any of that media BS, Fields runs more like an athlete than he does a football player. I think he fits much better with an air raid offense and never really saw the fit w SF.
I don't think experience counts for much as far as prospects go. You either develop into an impact player or you don't. He attempted about the same number of passes as Vick or Cam coming out, and they set the world afire in their rookie seasons. I think we'll find out sooner rather than later whether Trey Lance "has it" or not. My guess is he's gonna surprise a lot of people.
Fair points, but one year starting in the SEC >>>> one year in the MVFC.Love the pick... it was Lance then Wilson, then Fields in a lower tier for me. Fields just isn't a twitchy player in my eyes. He may be fast and have a strong arm, but he doesn't "play fast". And I"m not talking about processing or any of that media BS, Fields runs more like an athlete than he does a football player. I think he fits much better with an air raid offense and never really saw the fit w SF.
I don't think experience counts for much as far as prospects go. You either develop into an impact player or you don't. He attempted about the same number of passes as Vick or Cam coming out, and they set the world afire in their rookie seasons. I think we'll find out sooner rather than later whether Trey Lance "has it" or not. My guess is he's gonna surprise a lot of people.
The much higher risk and the much higher cost.Fair points, but one year starting in the SEC >>>> one year in the MVFC.
Cam brought his fair share of risk. But at least he played well against good competition.
Experience goes to risk. Sure he could be elite. But you can't overlook the higher risk here.
Fair points, but one year starting in the SEC >>>> one year in the MVFC.
Cam brought his fair share of risk. But at least he played well against good competition.
Experience goes to risk. Sure he could be elite. But you can't overlook the higher risk here.
I'm in the complete opposite of you. Playing 17 games in a small school division matters a lot. The NFL game is massively faster, more complex and difficult to navigate. Dang right you better have lots of experience on the field against great competition to hone those skills
Absolutely, lots of risk... but IMO in terms of drafting QBs you either swing for the fences or you don't swing at all. At least when you bust you don't waste years on just being slightly above average.The much higher risk and the much higher cost.
Again, if you own the pick then sure take the risk. If you lose you lose your pick and that's all. You don't mortgage the future for this high of a risk.
More good QBs come from the SEC than all the non-power conferences combined. Not many, and you're right that generally the SEC isn't the best conference for QB production. The SEC is much better at producing receivers and defense.Not that I disagree with the assessment, but just how elite QBs in the league are from the SEC?
The top QBs in the NFL come from a variety of programs, I think level of competition is overstated when it comes to projecting QB prospects.
And in this particular case the risk is three years worth of draft picks. That's a lot of risk - almost unheard ofAbsolutely, lots of risk... but IMO in terms of drafting QBs you either swing for the fences or you don't swing at all. At least when you bust you don't waste years on just being slightly above average.
That's another excellent point that no one really brings upMore good QBs come from the SEC than all the non-power conferences combined. Not many, and you're right that generally the SEC isn't the best conference for QB production. The SEC is much better at producing receivers and defense.
I disagree with your point about competition not mattering for QBs but it's hard to prove when the reason the QBs go to the conference in the first place is their talent.
Fwiw, NDSU is currently a dynasty in DI. 8 of the last 9 championships. And produced studs like Brock Jensen, easton stick and wentz.That's another excellent point that no one really brings up
He didn't have the talent to get into a good school and played very few games at a mediocre school. So many red flags
They should be furious about Lance and Mac. Both options were wrong.I get that everyone has it out for Mac Jones now, but if you had told Niner fans 6 months ago they’d be dealing 3 firsts for a guy with this little experience, people would have had the pitchforks out for him instead.
Fields doesn’t play fast? Did you watch the Clemson playoff game? He was dragging them as far as he could against Bama too.Love the pick... it was Lance then Wilson, then Fields in a lower tier for me. Fields just isn't a twitchy player in my eyes. He may be fast and have a strong arm, but he doesn't "play fast". And I"m not talking about processing or any of that media BS, Fields runs more like an athlete than he does a football player. I think he fits much better with an air raid offense and never really saw the fit w SF.
I don't think experience counts for much as far as prospects go. You either develop into an impact player or you don't. He attempted about the same number of passes as Vick or Cam coming out, and they set the world afire in their rookie seasons. I think we'll find out sooner rather than later whether Trey Lance "has it" or not. My guess is he's gonna surprise a lot of people.
Except he was the only QB of the top 5 prospects to play in a PA passing system like the one Shanahan largely employs.I'm in the complete opposite of you. Playing 17 games in a small school division matters a lot. The NFL game is massively faster, more complex and difficult to navigate. Dang right you better have lots of experience on the field against great competition to hone those skills
But you also have to consider the reward that they may have the next Mahomes or Allen, just a little raw.And in this particular case the risk is three years worth of draft picks. That's a lot of risk - almost unheard of
I read this morning in over 40 years there hasn't been someone with so little experience taken in the top 10. And again, this isn't one first round pick. This is 3 top picks
Level of competition is irrelevant to how twitchy an athlete is. A QB with a quick release will have a quick release regardless of who he plays... and same goes for carrying out fakes, scrambling, going through progressions, etc.You can’t gauge how fast Lance has played because he’s only played a handful of games against woeful teams with the word ‘Dakota’ and ‘Madison’ in their name.
I said exactly that last night, so completely agree. They wanted/coveted a Mahomes/Allen type. Shanny didn’t pay all that to take an immobile “safe” QB in Mac Jones. I don’t think Jones name was ever in the conversation & i can’t say enough about the efforts of Jones’s agent to hype him up into the top 11. If the Niners don’t make this deal he probably falls to the Pats without a trade.And I opine Fields was the fallback option - not Jones - which makes me intrigued by this pick even more, b/c that would mean after months of diligence, Shanahan decided he liked a similarly-tooled Lance more.
No. You haven’t seen how he does any of that with nfl caliber players in his face. It’s total projection for 300 attempts against sub-par competition.Level of competition is irrelevant to how twitchy an athlete is. A QB with a quick release will have a quick release regardless of who he plays... and same goes for carrying out fakes, scrambling, going through progressions, etc.
That's a really terrible argument... there have been plenty of excellent NFL QBs that have come from small schools... Roethlisberger, McNair, Romo, Garoppolo, etc...That's another excellent point that no one really brings up
He didn't have the talent to get into a good school and played very few games at a mediocre school. So many red flags
Good luck explaining how a QB's release would change or his ability to turn his back and carry out a PA fake would change depending on who he plays.No. You haven’t seen how he does any of that with nfl caliber players in his face. It’s total projection for 300 attempts against sub-par competition.