ZADO
Footballguy
If they take a guy they wanted at 13 without reaching for him and giving up picks ,thats fine .
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2024 Las Vegas Raiders thread - Brock party (4 Viewers)
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ICON211
Footballguy
Taking the 5th QB off the board at 13 just because he is a QB IS reaching.
If Penix gets taken anywhere in the top half of the first round it's because he is a QB. I really hope they don't take him at 13 with so many players that have higher draft grades there.
I'm sure some teams like him more than othes and have him graded higher than I think he should be, but I don't see how he can be the highest graded player there when the Raiders are picking at 13.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Lamar Jackson would like a word with you.
All you gotta do is be right. No one cares what you spent if you get QB right.
ZADO
Footballguy
Here`s why i don't think the Raiders are moving up and trading draft picks for a QB .
The Raiders would have been way more aggressive during FA if they were going to give away their 1st and 2nd rd picks and possibly more . They have some O-line issues that need to be addressed early in the draft ...also they need a CB. I'm not sure what's left in FA but its pretty risky hoping some serious talent is still available if plan A doesn't pan out (trading up to grab a top QB).
massraider
Footballguy
Raiders have had a few mid round DT in for top 30 visits.
Makes me happy, guys like Mekhi Wingo and Michael Hall Jr would be interesting in round 3-5.
The big NT types, I don't even know if they draftable. You can find one in FA for peanuts every year
Makes me happy, guys like Mekhi Wingo and Michael Hall Jr would be interesting in round 3-5.
The big NT types, I don't even know if they draftable. You can find one in FA for peanuts every year
ICON211
Footballguy
Definitelty. If you're right no one will care. Lots of people in here have complained about the Raides reaching for players over the years and I was recponding specifically to what the Raiders might do at 13. If the Raiders take Penix at 13 that is a reach and if he's great no one will care. Both can be true.
Also, Lamar Jackson was taken at the end of the first round and if I rememnber right most were praising the Ravens move to get him there.
I'm not as high on Penix as a lot of people. I don't like the opportunity cost of taking him at 13 with so many other highly rated players at other positions there. I'm not against drafting Penix, I just don't like it at 13.
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Daniels was on the NightCap with Shannon Sharpe and Ocho Cinco last night. Even he said as much as he wants to play for AP it’s highly unlikely they will trade up to #2 to get him. He also said he would be happy to play for whoever drafts him. So the whole Commanders group visit rubbing him the wrong way is probably way overblown.
They will draft a QB but 99% chance it’ll be somebody other than Daniels and most likely O’Connell or Minshew will begin the season as the starter.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I've heard rumors of Vegas trading up to get a QB like Penix or Nix in the late first round, possibly with Detroit at 29. It would probably cost around a 2nd and a 3rd to do it.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Right, but we drafted 15 that year and had we taken him there as QB5 (and developed him properly, always an assumption/necessary component) we'd be having much different conversations about draft needs.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
It seemed like a good pick on draft day and to be fair, the Raiders have made dozens of much worse picks.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
That was the first pick in years all the pundits praised the Raiders for making
Chadstroma
Footballguy
"Raiders GM Tom Telesco said they have a plan in place to be aggressive and move up in the draft (obviously pending on certain circumstances unfolding) and trading down, as well."
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I liked it at the time. He seemed like a safe solid pick.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
The best way to enjoy a Raiders draft is to start drinking early and get after it. Being numb is your goal.
kaso
Footballguy
With any luck by pick 13 I'll be blacked out
joey
Footballguy
“….or we might just stand pat at 13. Or….”
massraider
Footballguy
If the Vikings outbid for McCarthy for the Chargers pick, moving down and getting a QB later is fine with me. No guarantee Denver takes a QB.
Silver lining is the Chargers not getting a stud WR. Be nice to not have one of these top WR in LA.
Silver lining is the Chargers not getting a stud WR. Be nice to not have one of these top WR in LA.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Well, they did just trade for Zach so they are good
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Donkeys new uniforms are pretty bad. So there’s that. They sort of hVe lightning bolts on the shoulders. Odd
Chadstroma
Footballguy
The Raiders have made a call to Washington about trading picks. Washington is set to stay and pick at #2. Patriots are also receiving calls from the Raiders and teams for their #3 pick.
Per: Mike Garafolo & Ian Rapoport.
Per: Mike Garafolo & Ian Rapoport.
titusbramble
Footballguy
Not read any of thread, but as long as we don't take a QB in the first (if we trade up, even worse) I'll be happy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
If Jayden Daniels is as legit as most think.... I am ok, going up to get him. However, it is sounding like Washington isn't going to trade out and likely to select him.
I think Penix at 13 is a reach mostly due to injury risk.... however, my feel is that he is underrated because of that injury risk. I don't think it will be the end of the world if we take him at 13 but I would like to see us take the risk and play for more value with the risk of losing out on him. Either trading down or selecting someone else (an OT seems like a good spot there) and then trading back up into the 1st later to get him.
massraider
Footballguy
The Athletic football podcast had Russini on, and she was pretty adamant that getting the top 3 picks to move is tough, and maybe not realistic.
And even beyond top 3, it's not easy to walk away from MHJ, Nabers, Rome.
I recommend the listen
ZADO
Footballguy
The Boston Herald reports offers for the Patriots’ third overall pick in the 2024 NFL Draft have been “laughable.”
The Patriots, per a source that spoke with the Herald about the team’s draft plans, are still waiting on a “serious” offer before they consider trading away their first round pick. New England should have a shot at one of Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels, or J.J. McCarthy if the team stays put at No. 3. Jacoby Brissett, who signed with the Pats last month, would serve as something of a bridge QB option if the team invests in a blue chip quarterback prospect.
The Patriots, per a source that spoke with the Herald about the team’s draft plans, are still waiting on a “serious” offer before they consider trading away their first round pick. New England should have a shot at one of Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels, or J.J. McCarthy if the team stays put at No. 3. Jacoby Brissett, who signed with the Pats last month, would serve as something of a bridge QB option if the team invests in a blue chip quarterback prospect.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Do you access that through The Athletic site? (I am not a podcast guy so I dunno these new fabled tech things
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
I mean, even if I was considering an offer this is exactly what I would say publicly to try to get more value out of it.
massraider
Footballguy
Do you access that through The Athletic site? (I am not a podcast guy so I dunno these new fabled tech things
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joey
Footballguy
We’re just one magical draft away from getting back into the playoff conversation.
That is, until after the draft is over and we’re all pissed off at the picks the Raiders made….again.
But…but…this year is different! Right? RIGHT?!?!????!!!
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ZADO
Footballguy
I think this is a practical group of leaders who have a defined blueprint as to what and who they want . As anyone who drafts in FF knows ,its an imperfect moving target ,and getting who you want that everyone else wants as well , is pure luck . I have guys in my league who reach every year for guys that normally would have lasted another round or more , but they wanted that player so to hell with conventional wisdom and ADPs. It seems like we`ve had a few GMs and coaches who drafted with that same mindset. If you have level headed people making obvious ADP picks we should be fine . Just pick the guys at that position of need that fit the mold of Raiders style football.We’re just one magical draft away from getting back into the playoff conversation.
That is, until after the draft is over and we’re all pissed off at the picks the Raiders made….again.
But…but…this year is different! Right? RIGHT?!?!????!!!
Its gonna be a long few days ...i just hope its a great few days as well .
It could be a “boring “ evening for the average Raider fan. There’s a good possibility they stay put at 13, draft the best RT and be done for the night. That doesn’t mean they didn’t try to trade up of Daniels or trade back in the end of the 1st for Penix. Just means there’s a high possibility everything fell through.
joey
Footballguy
This is 1000000% an acceptable and positive outcome of day 1. I wouldn’t be upset at all with this “boring” result.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
That would be awesome. The trade up to get Daniels is my least favorite scenario. Taking a cb @13 is also ungood. Imho.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
It’s the Raiders, so we should expect to be disappointed.
Next phase is convincing ourselves that the reaches the team made in the draft will be good. Rinse and repeat next year.
Next phase is convincing ourselves that the reaches the team made in the draft will be good. Rinse and repeat next year.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I'd be more than good with this if it's Fuaga. Latham, too, but I trust him a little less to become a truly elite NFL OT.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
They have 8 OL on the roster atm. Only 4 are listed at T. Only 4 of the 8 have really played. I hope they give Meredith a shot.
LawFitz
Footballguy
He's been fine, but not elite. He could move to RG if they draft a prospectively-elite RT in Fuaga or Latham. Munford has experience playing Guard in college. One pick to upgrade two spots in the OL compared to last year. ETA - at least theoretically.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Damn, Daniel Jeremiah projecting the Iggles to trade into the Broncos' 12 spot to steal Fuaga, after the Chargers swoop Latham at 5. He has the Raiders then taking Penix at 13. If both RTs are gone, it would be hard to argue against taking Penix at 13. Eff it at that point IMO at 13, but they would need to find some OL help later to protect him - and a true speed WR or two to take advantage of his arm.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Day 2+ speed perimeter WR targets:
Rd 2-3 - Tez Walker https://www.nfl.com/prospects/devontez-walker/32005741-4c12-5280-b9cc-679bea874bd8
Rd 5-7 - Bub Means https://www.nfl.com/prospects/bub-means/32004d45-4176-3692-2c8e-4fc9349f4cc7
(Not a fan of drafting X Worthy - like Tank Dell, he won't last with that frame IMO, and unlike Tank Dell, he's going Rd 2 at latest, or so it seems.)
Also, if the Raiders do take Penix at 13, I hope they land Jackson Powers in Rd 2, who in the latest mocks/rankings seems to have fallen out of favor. JPJ looks like a future stud Guard or Center. And if they don't take OL in Rd 2, then hopefully at least a two guys later, even if developmental - this draft is deep at WR and OL, even through the mid and late rounds. Hopefully the Raiders can upgrade both for Penix should they draft him.
Rd 2-3 - Tez Walker https://www.nfl.com/prospects/devontez-walker/32005741-4c12-5280-b9cc-679bea874bd8
Rd 5-7 - Bub Means https://www.nfl.com/prospects/bub-means/32004d45-4176-3692-2c8e-4fc9349f4cc7
(Not a fan of drafting X Worthy - like Tank Dell, he won't last with that frame IMO, and unlike Tank Dell, he's going Rd 2 at latest, or so it seems.)
Also, if the Raiders do take Penix at 13, I hope they land Jackson Powers in Rd 2, who in the latest mocks/rankings seems to have fallen out of favor. JPJ looks like a future stud Guard or Center. And if they don't take OL in Rd 2, then hopefully at least a two guys later, even if developmental - this draft is deep at WR and OL, even through the mid and late rounds. Hopefully the Raiders can upgrade both for Penix should they draft him.
ZADO
Footballguy
The reality of the Raiders situation tonight is that they are not in a sweet spot to take a quarterback at pick 13. They are, however, in a great position to take one of the top cornerbacks or offensive tackles.
One scenario that could play out for the Raiders is a trade down for an additional second-round pick.
They could still manage to get a top offensive tackle or cornerback in round one and use the additional second-round pick to trade back into the first round for Penix or anyone else they believed could make an immediate impact at a position of need.
X @raidersbeat
One scenario that could play out for the Raiders is a trade down for an additional second-round pick.
They could still manage to get a top offensive tackle or cornerback in round one and use the additional second-round pick to trade back into the first round for Penix or anyone else they believed could make an immediate impact at a position of need.
X @raidersbeat
WVU Alum
Footballguy
I'm tired of our drafts being exciting...
Chaos34
Footballguy
I may be in the minoritybut I'd prefer Nix over Penix at 13 if we decide to go QB
Why?
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
I think Nix is more accurate and scrambles better and I don't think that we can keep the pocket clean enough for Penix to work through his progressions.I may be in the minority
Why?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
If we take an OT at 13 and then trade back up into the 1st to get Penix he should be well protected.I think Nix is more accurate and scrambles better and I don't think that we can keep the pocket clean enough for Penix to work through his progressions.I may be in the minority
Why?
ICON211
Footballguy
I've read Rams may be looking to move up for Bowers and Eagles possibly for Fuaga, but who knows really. I doubt it happens, but I'd be fine with all 6 QBs being taken before 13. I really don't want to take the 5th or 6th QB off the board at 13. I'm a no on Penix at 13 and a hell no on Nix at 13.
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