Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The main reason Doug was fired was because he was ordered to get a new OC and refused. I can see Lurie ordering new coordinators again. What happens next is up to Nick.
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2023 Philadelphia Eagles - Complete waste of a season finally comes to an end. (4 Viewers)
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unckeyherb
Footballguy
I can’t imagine Nick pounding on his desk to keep Brian Johnson or Matt Patricia. Also I wonder what this defense would look like with Dennard Wilson. That Baltimore defense looks aight-granted he’s not calling plays yet.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The defense would look the same or worse with Wilson. You can’t have our talent and expectations and get people with zero experience on both sides of the ball. Patricia is there cause they knew they F’d up with Desai. Probably figured Nick and Stoutland could assist Johnson too.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Have we figured out what Nick is good at? Dude should have taken over play calling a month ago, can’t be worse.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
That’s a good question. Maybe he’s too soft?
Interesting quote for Sydney Brown on the .@SportsRadioWIP post game show on the Eagles being out physical’s by the Cards.
“Practice habits become game day reality.”
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And this makes me torn between him covering for his guy (Johnson) or defending his offense.
Insein
Footballguy
Was working when they were winning. Sounds like the message is wearing thin now.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Yeah and I remember a quote from him earlier talking about how he should have been tougher and played more people in the pre-season. Something to that effect anyway.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The Howie arch is the something I’m getting concerned with though. He needs to just move on from players instead of keeping guys here. I feel like he listens to fans.
babydemon90
Footballguy
The reality is - this game was nothing new. How many games this year do we let opposing offenses drive down the field to win/tie the game? Seattle obviously... Dallas did it the game we beat them, and just barely stopped on the one yard line. Washington did it, Jets did it, Chiefs would have if their WR didn't drop multiple balls in their hands, Bills... This team honestly could just as easily be a 7 win team with just a few bounces differently.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Yep and they’ve read that way all year. Like I know guys were split on Gannon and we had no chance to keep him but he definitely got the most out of the talent. Or someone did who’s not here.
I can’t stop looking at the DL and thinking wtf happened. It’s mind boggling to me to see them look totally useless.
Insein
Footballguy
The rotation is not nearly as potent as last year. That's one but I feel like the scheme on when to attack and when to drop back is so retarded that they don't know what they're supposed to be doing half the time. Have we heard Jalen Carter's name in the last 4 weeks? I havent. Why is the DC not scheming him free every chance he gets? Why are we not looking for ways to get our play makers free?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Josh Sweat looked like a guy who finally figured it out last year and was ready to take the next steps to being elite. Where has he been? Davis and Carter were hot and now what? Graham and Reddick also nothing of late. Milton Williams showed tons of flashes last year and I haven’t heard his name before today. Nolan Smith was supposed to be a Reddick clone player LBer last week?
The LBers are laughably bad but damn they don’t have half the talent as the DL group but they both look good the same.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Love those salty cowboys fans, just think about their drought to feel better.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Happy New Year fellas!
DJackson10
Footballguy
So i wanted to go over a few things but hope everyone had a safe and happy new years first.
Anyway got in touch with a few people and I was in Timeout but wanted to also point out why I posted the Mclane report this time. First of all he is to be taken with a grain of salt but only posted this as I had heard similar from others. The 10-1 not feeling like 10-1 team comment I heard from others so let’s go over everything. I wouldn’t be posting anything by McLane had I heard differently and I’ve been pretty consistent going after him. Obviously he does stretches or sugar coats truths though and should be taken with a grain of salt for the most part.
Hurts yes has more control over the offense. That’s a given for any QB enter more experience but there’s been issues with it. Like Wentz him and Johnson I’ve heard are too friendly. Like the final plays today hurts was changing plays that Johnson had called hence the personel issues. He’s also trying to keep AJ brown happy and like I said before being friends AJ seems to dominate the alpha over hurts and being friends Jalen doesn’t want to hurt his feelings and sometimes tell him knock it off. Jason Avant called AJ out this week for his poor body language. 11 targets last week for 60yds leading the team but he had 2 drops that should’ve been caught to put him over 100. He’s a good player but needs to be more motivated as he could be great. Hurts and Johnson can’t seem to stay on the same page and being too friendly seems to be hurting hurts.
As for hurts himself, those who were weary of giving him the extension are very vocal right now compared to those for it. Most expected a slight drop off but no one thought it’d be this bad. Context matters folks. Without the vultures goal line scores how many rushing scores does hurts have this year? They are also we rely lacking the powerback. Hurts seems like an introvert leader. Most still like him but many are getting f**king annoying with the philosophical quotes. Just say we sucked and need to do better. Stop with the it’s another learning experience etc. some would like him to be more vocal on the field and call AJ and others out when they lack effort. Like Watkins a few weeks ago on the WR screen not blocking some were miffed Jalen didn’t go up and saying something. Most still love Hurts but wish he’d be more vocal during games. Source told me after AJ got in his ear in the Vikings game Jalen looked like a b**ch to AJ and felt no seemed to care their franchise QB looked weak there.
As for defense most players loved dennard wilson and he should’ve been the guy. Most players liked desia but players saw him lacking a lot of confidence the last few games hence going to Lurie and Nick with their concern. Lurie put Patricia on Nicks radar after the desia signing. Hindsight desia never should e been hired and org philosophy needs to get away from the fangio sh**. Personel seems all wrong and most think keeping slay and resigning Bradberry were big mistakes. The problem is there was just no takers for slay in a trade last year so their hands were tied. They said expect complete reconstruction of the D this offseason. Originally the defense was going to be coached by Vic Fangio himself but he took the Miami job not really being employed by the eagles they couldn’t stop it. Desia was panic hire
The leadership according to those I talked too is a real concern. When guys like Graham and Kelce leave there’s no one outside of lane who’s been there for yrs they see as a leader outside of reddick. There’s some young guys they hope will step up like Hurts, Dean, Davis, Dickerson, Malita and a few others but they lack any real veteran leadership.
I asked about them missing CJGJ and the reaction was Howie F’d up and knows it should’ve paid him. Well liked in the locker room and was a vocal leader. They like board but he’s on the wrong side of his prime. I asked about if CJ get into FA if the team would bring him back source says it depends on the DC next year plus money the team is willing to spend what he wants. His agent and him wanted back and said they’d take the eagles offer but eagles had moved on by time Last offseason.
A few weeks ago I had asked about the team and sources told me you wouldn’t know they were 10-1 as the team vibe gave impressions of a .500 team. A lot of guys playing for themselves and just a lot of old guys they need to move on from at this point. A lot of finger pointing has been going on for the Loses. Very little accountability from coaches and players. Only reason they have t completely fallen apart is talent and guys like BG and Kelce.
I asked about sirianni. Source said his seat is getting very hot even now. But unless something catastrophic happens Nick is here next year but if things continue could see a coaching move by midsession next year or after the season. He hasn’t lost the team yet but it’s at the point where alarm bells need to be ringing. Source said coaching staff could use a few assistants with way more experience.
That all I have for now but it seems we got old issues popping up with this staff we had from the last regim
Anyway got in touch with a few people and I was in Timeout but wanted to also point out why I posted the Mclane report this time. First of all he is to be taken with a grain of salt but only posted this as I had heard similar from others. The 10-1 not feeling like 10-1 team comment I heard from others so let’s go over everything. I wouldn’t be posting anything by McLane had I heard differently and I’ve been pretty consistent going after him. Obviously he does stretches or sugar coats truths though and should be taken with a grain of salt for the most part.
Hurts yes has more control over the offense. That’s a given for any QB enter more experience but there’s been issues with it. Like Wentz him and Johnson I’ve heard are too friendly. Like the final plays today hurts was changing plays that Johnson had called hence the personel issues. He’s also trying to keep AJ brown happy and like I said before being friends AJ seems to dominate the alpha over hurts and being friends Jalen doesn’t want to hurt his feelings and sometimes tell him knock it off. Jason Avant called AJ out this week for his poor body language. 11 targets last week for 60yds leading the team but he had 2 drops that should’ve been caught to put him over 100. He’s a good player but needs to be more motivated as he could be great. Hurts and Johnson can’t seem to stay on the same page and being too friendly seems to be hurting hurts.
As for hurts himself, those who were weary of giving him the extension are very vocal right now compared to those for it. Most expected a slight drop off but no one thought it’d be this bad. Context matters folks. Without the vultures goal line scores how many rushing scores does hurts have this year? They are also we rely lacking the powerback. Hurts seems like an introvert leader. Most still like him but many are getting f**king annoying with the philosophical quotes. Just say we sucked and need to do better. Stop with the it’s another learning experience etc. some would like him to be more vocal on the field and call AJ and others out when they lack effort. Like Watkins a few weeks ago on the WR screen not blocking some were miffed Jalen didn’t go up and saying something. Most still love Hurts but wish he’d be more vocal during games. Source told me after AJ got in his ear in the Vikings game Jalen looked like a b**ch to AJ and felt no seemed to care their franchise QB looked weak there.
As for defense most players loved dennard wilson and he should’ve been the guy. Most players liked desia but players saw him lacking a lot of confidence the last few games hence going to Lurie and Nick with their concern. Lurie put Patricia on Nicks radar after the desia signing. Hindsight desia never should e been hired and org philosophy needs to get away from the fangio sh**. Personel seems all wrong and most think keeping slay and resigning Bradberry were big mistakes. The problem is there was just no takers for slay in a trade last year so their hands were tied. They said expect complete reconstruction of the D this offseason. Originally the defense was going to be coached by Vic Fangio himself but he took the Miami job not really being employed by the eagles they couldn’t stop it. Desia was panic hire
The leadership according to those I talked too is a real concern. When guys like Graham and Kelce leave there’s no one outside of lane who’s been there for yrs they see as a leader outside of reddick. There’s some young guys they hope will step up like Hurts, Dean, Davis, Dickerson, Malita and a few others but they lack any real veteran leadership.
I asked about them missing CJGJ and the reaction was Howie F’d up and knows it should’ve paid him. Well liked in the locker room and was a vocal leader. They like board but he’s on the wrong side of his prime. I asked about if CJ get into FA if the team would bring him back source says it depends on the DC next year plus money the team is willing to spend what he wants. His agent and him wanted back and said they’d take the eagles offer but eagles had moved on by time Last offseason.
A few weeks ago I had asked about the team and sources told me you wouldn’t know they were 10-1 as the team vibe gave impressions of a .500 team. A lot of guys playing for themselves and just a lot of old guys they need to move on from at this point. A lot of finger pointing has been going on for the Loses. Very little accountability from coaches and players. Only reason they have t completely fallen apart is talent and guys like BG and Kelce.
I asked about sirianni. Source said his seat is getting very hot even now. But unless something catastrophic happens Nick is here next year but if things continue could see a coaching move by midsession next year or after the season. He hasn’t lost the team yet but it’s at the point where alarm bells need to be ringing. Source said coaching staff could use a few assistants with way more experience.
That all I have for now but it seems we got old issues popping up with this staff we had from the last regim
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
The defense was way more talented last year.
We went from TJ Edwards, Kyzir White, Marcus Epps, CJGJ, and Javon Hargrave to Nick Morrow, Zach Cunningham, Reed Blankenship, Kevin Byard and Jalen Carter. Couple that with Slay, Bradberry, Cox and BG being one year older and you have a major drop off and that's before you install a rookie DC.
From what I can see, the difference with the DL is:
1.) They don't have a solid rotation. In 2022, they came at you in waves. Now the wave is only Sweat and Reddick and Sweat is getting about 25% more snaps and has 50% less sacks. So by the end of the game, the DL is now tired out instead of fresh like last season.
2.) They haven't replaced Hargrave, Suh and Joseph's contribution in the middle of the D. Hargrave, Cox, Suh and Joseph collapsed the pocket which flushed the QB to the ends. Now there is no pressure up the middle. Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis may someday be studs, but they aren't there yet.
3.) The LBs aren't tackling as good as last year. The corners and safeties aren't covering as well.
The Eagles do reasonably well in 1st and 2nd down, but have repeatedly been burned on 3rd down. It's just a combination of not enough pressure, poor tackling and mediocre coverage.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Safety and CB is where I'd be investing my FA money. I think they'll go hard after a young CB. I think the D is also missing a Malcolm Jenkins-type safety. I like CJGJ, but the guy can't stay healthy, but I wouldn't hate a reunion if they decided to do that. I would also look at tier 2 LBs. Don't need the top guys, but you need competent, NFL pros. Enough of this signing guys halfway through training camp.
Also, Nakobe Dean is not an NFL linebacker. I don't view him as an answer to that position. I like what I've seen from Ringo, he could replace Bradberry if the Eagles go get a young CB to replace Slay.
Insein
Footballguy
Sixers gonna disappoint too. Go Flyers. I have no expectations for them.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Wake me up if the Sixers make it out of round 2…
need2know
Footballguy
Call me crazy but I like the way they look. New coach and no Harden is some serious positives
DJackson10
Footballguy
Jair Alexander might be availble this offseason
DJackson10
Footballguy
Sixers will be out by round 2 again. Joel Embiid will either be hurt or go MIA when it matters again. Very good player but he seems like a guy who’s more worried about individual success then the team.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Haason Reddick, who reached double-digit sacks in 4 consecutive seasons, dropped into coverage more yesterday than any time since joining the Eagles.
He had his lowest percentage of snaps as a pass rusher since joining the Eagles.
He had his lowest percentage of snaps as a pass rusher since joining the Eagles.
Insein
Footballguy
Exhibit A of the problem with Scheme. Why is our best pass rusher dropping into coverage? Especially when it has no impact!
The Noid
Avoid me!
It was pointed out that AZ figured out early (or already knew) when the Eagles had a 5 man front and AZ went spread, that extra DE has to fall into coverage as a LB. So AZ would go hurry up once they showed that D to force them to keep doing it.
unckeyherb
Footballguy
Rough fact to consider; its likely that yesterday's loss to the Cardinals was the last game Kelce, Cox and BG will ever play at the Linc.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Gonna need some leadership in that locker room.
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
Guys, I'm starting to think this team isn't as good as we thought.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Plenty of leadership. It's time for the new blood to start stepping up.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
The defense is terrible. It needs to get rid of the old guys and get younger, faster and meaner. They need to find a better scheme. I love Sydney Brown's aggression, once it becomes controlled aggression, he'll be a player. Ringo looks like he has potential. After that, I didn't see anything from the LBs and Safeties that said, I want that guy back.
The offense is just being utilized wrong. It should be run based to set up the pass. More play action. Slightly more RPOs.
Honestly, we had so many double digit leads that we couldn't hold or add onto. Last year, when the Birds were run based, they would take the air out of the game in the second half. Even if they didn't score, the long drives would eat up the clock, and wear down the defense and keep the other teams offense off the field. It forced teams to become one dimensional and then we could unleash the pass rush. This year, they go pass, pass, pass, punt and give the other team life and not kill any clock and kept the other teams playbook wide open.
Insein
Footballguy
The sad part is, they could literally utilize that offense starting n it week and win 5 games in a row that way. But they're too stubborn/stupid to admit that it was a mistake all year.
One thing I praised Siriani on since year one was his ability to adjust despite what people thought of him. Removing play calling. Allowing the team to be run first. Going for it on 4th when others wouldn't. He just seemed to not care what people thought of him. This year he seems to care what everybody thinks of him. Like he's trying to prove that he deserves the spotlight he receives. He's coaching for approval instead of coaching to win.
There's still a chance to turn it around. They can clearly see what works and what doesn't. I don't have any faith that they will but there is a chance.
Gachi
Footballguy
We were winning so the sloppy play didn’t really matter, we all just kinda hoped that the team would improve. After the Bills win our luck ran out and we got demolished by quality teams and never got our mojo back.
Djax kept telling us our sloppy play was gonna catch up to us, and it did.
After SF tore us a new one we all expected some changes, but they never came. We actually got worse, especially on defense.
I feel like this team has lost its heart and is already kinda checked out for the season, I know the fans are.
No Super Bowl repeat. It was an ambitious goal anyway, frankly.
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
The “changes” were quietly shifting defensive playcalling duties, but it didn’t make a difference.
The defense needs an entirely new scheme and coaching staff. And more talent at LB and in the secondary.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Did you mean 30 PPG? No offense in the history of the league has ever averaged 40 PPG.
Insein
Footballguy
Over this next few games they could.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Dan Orlovsky calls out the Eagles. Make this guy our QB coach or OC already
www.espn.com
Orlovsky calls out Eagles after loss to Cardinals - ESPN Video
Dan Orlovsky believes the Eagles could be one-and-done in the postseason if they don't fix their problems.
DJackson10
Footballguy
It’s severely lacking
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I still can’t believe we had 1st and 20 and went with 2 QB runs with our gimpy slide happy qb and a screen. This offense has Hurts, Swift, Brown, Smith and Goedert and that’s the path they chose. To play for a FG when your defense had given up 3 straight 70+ yard TD drives.
need2know
Footballguy
***** playcalling. Nothing else to call it
Insein
Footballguy
Only question is it BJ or Siriani
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