I do think 100% that OBJ, Flowers, Bateman, Andrews/Likely, Edwards/Hill/Mitchell over what the bills have 100%. Gabe davis is awful. He doesn't sniff the field on most teams. Two years ago this was debatable for me but I think Diggs has hit the cliff and there is nothing behind him...hopefully Kincaid works out for the bills but he hasn't shown much
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I do think 100% that OBJ, Flowers, Bateman, Andrews/Likely, Edwards/Hill/Mitchell over what the bills have 100%. Gabe davis is awful. He doesn't sniff the field on most teams. Two years ago this was debatable for me but I think Diggs has hit the cliff and there is nothing behind him...hopefully Kincaid works out for the bills but he hasn't shown much
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Eagles in fact are 1. Ravens are 5.
-OZ-
Footballguy
If you’re being serious about Bateman being decent and Davis not, there isn’t much left to say here. OBJ had moments but at this point Shakir might be better.
Well I through Bateman in as the 3rd wr...so no real comparison. I agree they both kind of suck but davis is wr2 and Diggs is big time underperforming.
But no need to pollute the thread with back and forth
Anarchy99
Footballguy
That’s a different organization than the AP.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Oh. Edited.
-OZ-
Footballguy
He definitely could be.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Wright is one of the biggest tools out there. His whiny voice makes me wanna drip hot lava into my eardrums.
FarFromHome
Footballguy
Not disagreeing with u really, but I'd listen to Nick all day before Stephen A Smith. I'd rather listen to whiny over shouting. Imo
Wingnut
Footballguy
They're both unlistenable IMO.
Deamon
Footballguy
Not even a top 5 finalist.
I know Lamar is big favorite but how is the MVP not Allen? Better #s and led team to division title?
Roughly the same yards per game, more tds but also more turnovers, far worse passer rating, Lamar’s team much better.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Major
Footballguy
Not even a top 5 finalist.
I'm shocked that a rookie QB in a smaller market wouldn't get serious consideration from media pundits....but why are you bringing up the finalists? You previously said those weren't worthy of discussion. Just asking for some consistency little fella.
Deamon
Footballguy
Because you were saying that he should be getting more love. He never should have gotten consideration for MVP, but you pushed that he would get 2nd/3rd/4th place votes and that was clearly wrong too. Don't blame the media, he isn't and never was really in the MVP conversation. Maybe he will win OROY for you though.Not even a top 5 finalist.
I'm shocked that a rookie QB in a smaller market wouldn't get serious consideration from media pundits....but why are you bringing up the finalists? You previously said those weren't worthy of discussion. Just asking for some consistency little fella.
Major
Footballguy
Maybe? he's a lock for OROY much like Lamar for MVP. I'll let you have Dak and Purdy all day and I'll gladly take CJ. I'm just glad you realized the error in your ways and open for discussing worthy MVP candidates. Baby steps.
Deamon
Footballguy
Has nothing to do with that. Glad you realized how wrong you were bringing up CJ in the league MVP race. He wasn't even remotely close.
Major
Footballguy
You seem really hung up on this bumping an old post and all. CJ or not, there are 5 finalists listed for a reason and why I initially started this discussion. You scoffed at the notion about discussing other worthy contenders which I thought was silly. Just let it go.
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Deamon
Footballguy
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
You sure?
Deamon
Footballguy
maybeYou sure?
Ignoratio Elenchi
Footballguy
mark rypien should be in the conversation
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Because of how much the Bills struggled the first half of the year
Deamon
Footballguy
Brett definitely should be.
The Duff Man
Footballguy
I thought this article was interesting. Some quotes below.
“While Jackson certainly had an MVP-caliber season, he didn’t become the betting favorite for the award until after the Ravens’ Week 16 win over the 49ers — hardly indicative of the type of dominance reserved for the rare unanimous MVP selection.”
“the whole point of having 50 different voters is to — ideally — get 50 different perspectives. Instead what we now have are awards largely based on groupthink, with most voters merely selecting the best-performing quarterback among the league’s top teams.”
Commending the lone non-Lamar voter
“While Jackson certainly had an MVP-caliber season, he didn’t become the betting favorite for the award until after the Ravens’ Week 16 win over the 49ers — hardly indicative of the type of dominance reserved for the rare unanimous MVP selection.”
“the whole point of having 50 different voters is to — ideally — get 50 different perspectives. Instead what we now have are awards largely based on groupthink, with most voters merely selecting the best-performing quarterback among the league’s top teams.”
Commending the lone non-Lamar voter
I would have voted for Allen too. I just keep thinking that if Josh Allen's 15 rushing TDs were passing TDs instead, he'd have run away with the award, and its stupid that they are somehow viewed differently. I saw Allen as the guy who led the league in yards and TDs on a team that ended with the #2 seed, despite losing half their defense to injuries.
Groupthink tends to lead to bad decisions every bit as much as good decisions.
Kudos to Schatz who has always been among the smarter, less reactionary, NFL personalities.
