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2016 Green Bay Packers thread (2 Viewers)
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Pipes
Footballguy
I used to be a big MM defender but have done a complete 180 since the Seattle collapse 2 years ago. I really hope he turns it around and maybe the offense was a little rusty but the offensive performance was very disappointing on Sunday. MM and Rodgers have seemed out of sync for quite some time now. Nice win though but will need to play much better offensively to win this week.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Have not seen the numbers. He has had his ups and downs, but certainly not just some turnstile. If Spriggs works out...that gives them depth at long as they have Bulaga or a building block at the tackle position. Tretter and Linsley being interior depth at this point and will see how Taylor works out...not a bad start for him this past weekend.
Oh, and color rush for GB...all white apparently. At least they didn't try some all yellow crap.
Ups and downs... not sure about that. The only weakness in his game is against elite bull-rushers.sho nuff said:
Despite playing against Matthews, Peppers, Jones, Daniels, Martinez... lots of talented linebackers and lineman... reports were that Bahktiari stoned everything in training camp. That's high praise and pretty impressive. His extension is well deserved.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Oh, I like him...solid LT and Im not knocking him too much. He isn't some stud...but is certainly a solid young player worthy of extending.
jurrassic
Footballguy
That's how I feel. It was an overpay, there is no doubting that, but they needed to do it and getting some of it on this year's cap helps. He is not a top 5 LT but he's getting paid like one. I'd assume Bulaga will be gone after this year and Spriggs will play RT.
Wow, only $51M for four years. That's fantastic. He was making peanuts this year (300k) so if you think about it as a five year contract starting now it's $10M per year but only $17M guaranteed. Another wonderfully team-friendly deal from Ted Thompson (think Jordy's 2nd extension many years ago when we got him for below the price of a top-end WR). This is a good deal right now but a steal if the cap goes up any further.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
I rarely look at where some of the contracts rank unless they are just off the charts high. Within a few months, other guys will sign and he will likely be in line with where he ranks talent wise. Just the nature of when the deal gets done which puts his contract in that spot.
Now I'm curious who is prioritized next. There are so many players coming up for extensions. I'm guessing Peppers will retire (or walk) so that frees up $10M right there. Tretter and Lang have to be up there in priority. Lacy is a good candidate since decent RBs can be had for <$5M/year lately. Datone Jones and Nick Perry are both making solid cases. Hyde is definitely worth his current salary. So many good players.... they really need to take advantage this year.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Tretter...I can see them waiting on Lang. If Taylor works out, Linsley comes back and they have Tretter locked up. Likely see Lang test FA and if they have the chance to match they might. Though, id guess they let him walk if those other thigns rok out.
Not sure Lacy...unless he signs a very friendly deal for the Pack.
Bruce Leroy
Footballguy
Tretter for sure, Probably Lang too. Gotta protect the franchise.
Lacy? Money based on weight control.
Lacy? Money based on weight control.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
I just read somewhere that Bak graded out as the ninth best pass blocking tackle in the NFL last season, and 5th purely among left tackles. I'll see if I can find it. If that is true, I don't think this is an overpay all. I also have to believe the guy will still get better. He's young.
jurrassic
Footballguy
They will get 10M from Peppers and another 3-5M, based on the cap penalty, if they release Bulaga. I assume the next priority is Tretter. Wouldn't be surprised if they let Lang walk which clears up another 6M. I could see the line next year being Bahk, Taylor/draft pick, Tretter, Linsley, Spriggs.
jurrassic
Footballguy
He's solid. He is not special. The Packers were 4th in the league with 29 holding calls against them, in 2015, (the average is 22) and he had 7 of them, along with 4 false starts and 1 illegal formation. Those are just the calls accepted. Bahktiari, alone, accounted for over 10% of all the penalties called against the Packers and was the 7th most penalized lineman in the league. Now, I would much rather have him hold someone then let them hit Rodgers but the guy is a penalty machine
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Me too. Used to love him. But I soured after that game. It was gutless. He took the ball out of the best player in the NFLs hands.Pipes said:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Except of course white isn't a color. I think all green would have been cool.sho nuff said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
The best player in the NFL was having a crappy game and was gimped down the stretch.
packer_junkie
Footballguy
They just needed to recover a crappy onside kick. Bostick blew that game-- not MM.
cr8f
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Mike turtled up and thought he could withstand the storm. He was wrong. He never took any responsibility for it either. He played not to lose... and lost the game for them.
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Dark Matter
Footballguy
What is up with the quote function
Anyone here defending MM think he should have gone for 2 after the Rodgers/Janis hailmary in AZ? He is the epitome of conservative play calling, IMO.
Pipes
Footballguy
We've gone over this before but they got way too conservative in the 2nd half. The defense generated a boatload of turnovers and the offense could only get FG's out of them. That game should've been out of reach long before the 4th quarter collapse...that's what championship teams do. There is a lot of blame for that game and Bostick is high on the list but the fact of the matter is the entire team played tight in the 4th quarter and in my mind that starts at with the coach.
It's not just MM but the entire offense stunk last year and yes Clement started off with the play calling but it didn't get any better once MM took over. No creativity, same old boring play calling over and over. To me getting rid of Kuhn was the best thing ever so MM is no longer tempted to run Kuhn up the gut in short yardage situations.
Anyway I'm done bagging on coach Mac as I'm looking forward to 2016. There is a lot to be optimistic about. Go Pack Go!
sho nuff
Footballguy
I think he took responsibility last year when he decided to give up playcalling because he didn't have enough oversight over the rest of what went on.
To claim any one person or thing lost that game is just so off base.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I can see both sides of 2. Right away...heat of the moment I wanted him to.What is up with the quote function
Anyone here defending MM think he should have gone for 2 after the Rodgers/Janis hailmary in AZ? He is the epitome of conservative play calling, IMO.
They talked the other day about it...they didn't like anything without 3 WR sets to run a 2 pt conversion. They had 2 WRs at that point because Janis was gassed...Rodgers too was gassed after celebrating the TD pass. He made that decision based on that.
Pipes
Footballguy
Same here but I was drunk. I don't blame him for not going for it there but It would've been cool to see it.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Plenty of blame to go around but the Buck stops with Mike. If you want to give him credit for winning a super bowl, you have to acknowledge that he lost them opportunities at winning more.
The Claymaker
Footballguy
I think the Jags are a very up and coming team and wouldn't surprise me at all if they win their division. So I think it was a good win. I did hate how terrible we were on 4th down defense, but nice road win to start off the season. Rodgers the TE still looks slow but he's got fantastic hands. I personally expected us to work the middle of the field more, but rarely did. I said it last year and first game still missing those quick slants and Cook down the seam. Rodgers the QB was also on the move a lot, our Oline, is going to be a question mark all season I think. That Sitton move is going to loom over us, wasn't a good move and will continue to be an issue for us. Hopefully we improve quickly because Minny has a real D and they are going to bring the pressure. Definitely not trying to be a downer, but I am a realist and has great as Rodgers is if he's constantly under pressure he won't be as effective. Just mho.
hauser42
Footballguy
Tretter hopefully is the next guy in line. I don't see Lang back unless he takes a deal in Packers favor. Bulaga stays around as he is a solid vet and they have cap room.
Next year line has many options. Bak/Taylor/Tretter/Buluga/Spriggs, Bak/Taylor/Tretter/Spriggs/Bulaga; Bak/Tretter/Lindsey/combo of Bulaga/Spriggs. They have some freedom to move guys around. Plus there will be another lineman that is drafted some where in the draft.
Hyde should be next they need to keep the depth and he is a huge weapon back there as he can move around to different spots.
Lacy should be resigned but it will be later after the other two are done.
One of Jones or Perry will be brought back, we need to be looking for a player that this spot. Claymaker is getting old, Peppers will be gone and really no person to carry the torch after them.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Perry is starting to look better and better. He shows up well in run support and puts pressure on the QB here and there too.
hauser42
Footballguy
Agreed he is looking better. Issue is Clay is going to soon start to show age and we don't have another outside rusher to pick up the production.
First game moving back to outside linebacker Clay gets a big sack. Man, his sack numbers would be crazy if he hadn't been playing ILB the last two seasons. Another 15 at least.
Mr.Pack
Footballguy
Yea 12 things had to go exactly wrong for them to lose that game, yet morons still blame McCarthy. I've never been a big McCarthy fan, but that game was not even close to being his fault.
Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
Quite right. He had plenty of time to throw, then bought himself and the receivers time time as needed. I never got the impression that overwhelming pressure was causing him to move.sho nuff said:
Bob McGinn rated the O line four stars, and had this to say about Taylor:
http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/mcginn/2016/09/13/mcginn-rating-packers-jaguars/90259854/
Lane Taylor was a portrait of intensity and focus as he took several final sets on the field moments before kickoff. It was his first game as the man at left guard, and he made a favorable impression. He passed off stunts two or three times with veteran aplomb. He moved people on a pair of short-yardage runs. He outmuscled some defenders, depositing them on the ground. Of 22 straight dropbacks, Taylor had help 12 times and was by himself 10 times. He faced five different rushers on those 10 one-on-one’s, with DE Jared Odrick the leader with three. He allowed 1 1/2 pressures of the mere four yielded by the unit; his only terrible play in pass pro was a whiff against DT Malik Jackson. His “bad” run count was two halves for a total of one.
The Sitton move may still hurt, but based on week 1, I don't know how anyone could say that.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I will also say...wtf is up with all these attempts at running outside.
That last drive. ..2nd and 2 and a slow developing shot gun toss play to lacy?
Power runs were having decemt success. ..didnt get that call at all.
Also those blamimg MM for being conservative. ..they mentioned on the broadcast that Rodgers audibled into the run to Starks and the OL didn't get call and were pass blocking.
That last drive. ..2nd and 2 and a slow developing shot gun toss play to lacy?
Power runs were having decemt success. ..didnt get that call at all.
Also those blamimg MM for being conservative. ..they mentioned on the broadcast that Rodgers audibled into the run to Starks and the OL didn't get call and were pass blocking.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Or it actually applies to the conversation.Nothing is relevant unless Sho Nuff thinks it is
What does the san fran Ds record against GB years ago have to do with Cutler against GB and last Thanksgiving being an outlier?
What do past defenses that aren't returning all 11 players against offenses not returning all 11 players have to do with anything? Even then, are all players playing at the same level they were previously? Same level of health? Then luck factors in.
If you want to, you can pick holes in any argument.
While we're on it, not sure what a Charles Woodson or Tramon Williams or BJ Raji or etc led defense has to do with it either.
Fun game
The Claymaker
Footballguy
Can we get Masthay back? I didn't think it was possible to be worse until I saw our new kicker. Wow.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Randall is a bust. They need to get his ### out of there. He's terrible. Doesn't even look like he's trying when chasing Diggs down. Garbage. Get him out.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Quite possibly his worst game yet. Hope this opens the coaches eyes on him.
The offensive line got owned badly in this one.
Is McCarthy starting to sprout a Gin Blossom?
The offensive line got owned badly in this one.
Is McCarthy starting to sprout a Gin Blossom?
KingPrawn
Footballguy
Terrible field position all night except for the blocked punt. Poor punting was a big factor
sho nuff
Footballguy
You are still whining about Randall? Rodgers was awful in this game. Oline was not owned badly. They had a few bad plays...but overall not nearly as bad as you are claiming.
Rodgers looked bad. His passes were off...floated that INT, and fumbled twice.
MM needs to do something and it should start with being told feed Lacy the ball more and quit getting cute with these outside runs and shot gun inside runs to Starks near the goalline or 4th and short.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
On the flip side, I don't think the Packers ever returned a punt all night. Was a big factor.
