​ 🏛️ ​Official Supreme Court nomination thread - Amy Coney Barrett (2 Viewers)

[stlrams]

Kavanaugh’s history of perjury and shady behavior as a political operative weren’t disqualifying.  The Majority Leader has made statements on the Senate Floor that show they aren’t really interested in what Ford has to say, if she’s even heard, or if anyone else comes forward.  The FBI has been instructed to NOT investigate anything.  

What about the whole process should make us believe this was about seeking he truth when every step was consistent with a coverup trying to rush it through before too many people found out stuff?

Cuts both ways ..   We need more free thinkers in our government like the late great John McCain.  This is the solution or a 3rd party imho..

 

[fatness]

A building permit from the city of Palo Alto shows that Brett Kavanaugh accuser Christine Blasey Ford did, in fact, install a backdoor on her master bedroom — supporting a friend’s public assertion that she feels trapped without an exit route.

Ford’s friend Jim Gensheimer, of Saratoga, told the Wall Street Journal last week that Ford needed more than one exit door in her bedroom to feel safe.

https://padailypost.com/2018/09/25/building-permit-shows-christine-blasey-ford-really-did-put-a-backdoor-on-her-bedroom/

 

[shader]

Typo on my part. Avenatti’s client, if she is real, would be the 3rd accuser. 

At this point, two accusers is enough.  No need to dip into conspiracies.

 

[Sinn Fein]

This case is why Orrin Hatch wants Kavanaugh confirmed --- to favor his side in the case.

Yeah, I posted this earlier - this almost has the feel of a Pelican Brief situation, where Trump is trying to get his guy in to enhance his pardon powers....

 

[urbanhack]

nail on the head. Consumes the lives of many in here, very odd. 

I'm not around much these days, but when I pop in I find these posts from you time and time again. Strange world.

 

[badmojo1006]

- FNC.

Female "Assistant" 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I tried to send a PM but your mailbox was full. Please help here. You're one of the leaders in the forum and people will follow you. I hope this wasn't the main takeaway from what I said. But it's what I'm talking about. Please let's keep this thread above the zingers and shots. Please help there. 

Hey Joe I was just kidding, I'm reading content now. Much respect as always. - SID

 

[mcintyre1]

Huh?  

You said that Avenatti's client might not even exist, and backed it up (in part) with "rumors" that you didn't elaborate on. I noticed that one of Drudge's headlines is an article about people on 4chan claiming to have made up Avenatti's client and tricked him.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Typo on my part. Avenatti’s client, if she is real, would be the 3rd accuser. 

looks like the 4 chan kids got him

 

[Marauder]

Kavanaugh’s history of perjury and shady behavior as a political operative weren’t disqualifying.  The Majority Leader has made statements on the Senate Floor that show they aren’t really interested in what Ford has to say, if she’s even heard, or if anyone else comes forward.  The FBI has been instructed to NOT investigate anything.  

What about the whole process should make us believe this was about seeking he truth when every step was consistent with a coverup trying to rush it through before too many people found out stuff?

I actually think this is the reason the GOP leaders like him so much.  They see him, not so much as a conservative, but rather as a partisan Republican who will vote along party lines.

 

[Don't Noonan]

They're really going to go to a vote without any independent investigation into this stuff. That stinks.

And then there's the already established lying/perjury.

Really been a bad couple of years for this country due to the absolute abrogation of any sort of moral compass by Republican "leadership." Awful, awful human beings the lot of them.

* citation needed

 

[Don't Noonan]

Well said.  I don’t care about party.  I care about real outcomes for real Americans.  But the fact is, the Republicans as a party don’t.  This confirmation, and I think it will happen, is one of the very worst moments in our history.  The more context formed around it, the worse it is.  He’s the guy most willing to abandon laws to protect criminality of the Executive Branch he is supposed to check.  He will make sweeping reforms related to women’s rights and he abused women.  He will serve one party when he is supposed to be neutral.  He is a proven liar in a job that is supposed to represent out very best.  He diminishes us.  They diminish us.  This is an outrage.  

* citation needed

 

[Don't Noonan]

It has been a great couple of years for America, thriving economy, employment near record levels, growing GDP.  Add in two solid supreme court nominations by Trump and I couldn't be happier.  We are headed in the right direction fellas!

All Republicans would vote against Kavanaugh if there is any proof of these allegations.  I don't believe he is guilty and look forward to him getting confirmed.

 

[Bayhawks]

It has been a great couple of years for America, thriving economy, employment near record levels, growing GDP.  Add in two solid supreme court nominations by Trump and I couldn't be happier.  We are headed in the right direction fellas!

All Republicans would vote against Kavanaugh if there is any proof of these allegations.  I don't believe he is guilty and look forward to him getting confirmed.

OK; what’s the rush, then?  If you’re confident there is no proof, why not have a full investigation, find that there is no proof, then proceed?  It’s not like there’s only a year left in Trumps term & there’s some previously unheard of unwritten rule that would prevent him from being confirmed.

 

[-fish-]

Typo on my part. Avenatti’s client, if she is real, would be the 3rd accuser. 

looks like the 4 chan kids got him

Michael Avenatti on Tuesday lashed out at reports that a client who was preparing to level allegations against Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh was a fake and part of a ruse by an outside group targeting Avenatti.

“I made the determination she was 100 percent credible well before Sunday night,” Avenatti, the attorney who also represents the adult-film actress Stormy Daniels in her lawsuit against President Donald Trump, told POLITICO, referring to the first time he disclosed the allegations involving Kavanaugh. “We’ve received over 3,000 inquiries in the last six months from people with all kinds of crazy stories and fabrications. I’ve heard it all. I’ve seen it all. Like we don’t vet clients. Give me a break.”

Kavanaugh is in a pitched battle to salvage his nomination, after two women have come forward to allege sexual misconduct decades ago. One of his accusers, Christine Blasey Ford, is set to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday about her allegation that a drunken Kavanaugh assaulted her at a house party when they were both in high school.

An online post on Tuesday claimed that Avenatti had been scammed by the online forum 4Chan, a place where online users delight in trolling public figures, setting off a firestorm on social media and purportedly jamming up Avenatti’s Twitter account. The attorney said he temporarily shut down the account because of online threats.

“This is just crazy that somebody can just tweet something out like this, or post it, and people just take it as truth,” he said. “It’s crazy.”

Avenatti, a possible presidential contender in 2020, said his client is “100 percent” real and still planned to come forward. When pressed on why the public should believe the accusations involving Kavanaugh when he hadn’t yet fronted a witness and had himself made claims over Twitter, Avenatti said he had remained consistent.

“I’ve been really clear. The timetable has not changed,” he said. “We haven’t moved the timetable back. Nothing’s changed. We don’t just do this at the drop of the hat. Had we waited until everything was in place to surface these allegations, then everyone would be complaining that we just dropped this on the committee at the last moment. There’s no winning in this situation. We wanted to surface the allegations for the committee, reasonably, once they were vetted, which is what we did.”

But he said members of the Judiciary Committee had not followed up on his offer to have them interview his client. Avenatti said the client had agreed to an FBI investigation and a polygraph test.

When asked whether she would take her story public regardless of whether the committee called her to testify, Avenatti responded: “Correct.”

“We have not arrived at a firm plan relating to the initial disclosure of these allegations,” he said. “We are still working through it. This is a very dynamic situation with a lot of emotions at stake.”

 

[-fish-]

It has been a great couple of years for America, thriving economy, employment near record levels, growing GDP.  Add in two solid supreme court nominations by Trump and I couldn't be happier.  We are headed in the right direction fellas!

All Republicans would vote against Kavanaugh if there is any proof of these allegations.  I don't believe he is guilty and look forward to him getting confirmed.

This is completely false.   

 

[parasaurolophus]

Am I allowed to say that keeping the questioner’s identity a secret is total crap and Grassley should be removed from committee chair for that stunt and this entire sham of a confirmation?

yes. I can understand the fear that Katz will try and delay and say they need a different one, but they could try and delay just the same because they dont have the name. So I dont understand why they wouldnt release this info. 

 

[BustedKnuckles]

There are lots of people who mistake their imagination for their memory...True story

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

yes. I can understand the fear that Katz will try and delay and say they need a different one, but they could try and delay just the same because they dont have the name. So I dont understand why they wouldnt release this info. 

Or if they were concerned about the questioner's safety, disclose the name to Katz but not the public.  

 

[Sinn Fein]

There are lots of people who mistake their imagination for their memory...True story

That is just your imagination, running away with you.

 

[Sheriff Bart]

GOP getting antsy - scheduled Kavanaugh vote for Friday.

Oh, so we're not going to let the process unfold. 

 

[ConnSKINS26]

There are lots of people who mistake their imagination for their memory...True story

Then it's in our best interest to have a full FBI investigation to make sure a lifetime appointee to the Supreme Court isn't mistaking his imagination for his memory, right? 

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

This just feels so wrong.

It is wrong.  Wrong to the core.  

 

[The Indestructible]

All Republicans would vote against Kavanaugh if there is any proof of these allegations.




 

"Even if it's all true, does it disqualify him? It certainly means that he did something really bad 36 years ago, but does it disqualify him from the Supreme Court?" 

- Rep. Kevin Cramer, the Republican nominee for Senate in North Dakota

link

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

All Republicans would vote against Kavanaugh if there is any proof of these allegations. 

All Republicans are voting for Kavanaugh even though they know he is guilty of perjury.  The Republicans in Judiciary don't care if there is any proof of these allegations.

 

[Bayhawks]

There are lots of people who mistake their imagination for their memory...True story

There are lots of people who lie about things they did in the past because they are ashamed of what the truth will bring...True story

 

[Joe Bryant]

Hey Joe I was just kidding, I'm reading content now. Much respect as always. - SID

Thanks GB

 

[Gopher State]

Elected officials you vote for wreck things and ruin lives.  You check in occasionally to defend them, then retreat to, “I never really cared that much anyway.” Yeah, no ####.  And thanks.  

Wow, great analysis here, thanks for checking in

 

[Sand]

The point is that last night he chose to paint a picture of himself as a teenager, and that picture that he painted may very well have been false. That in itself doesn't make him guilty of anything but it does put his integrity, already severely challenged, into further question. (And he kept saying last night that it was his integrity he demanded the right to defend.)

Tim,  this is way beyond any logic or knowledge of the human condition.  Young men embellishing their "manliness rating" through drinking and sex stories is as common as dirt and has been for time immemorial.  Sometimes I shake my head at some of the things I read in here.

looks like the 4 chan kids got him

 if true.  

 

[Captain Cranks]

Let's say Kavanaugh is confirmed but there's legitimacy to these accusations.  Any chance this guy can be held criminally liable for cases this old or is it past the statute of limitations? 

It's going to be great having a SC justice who's a known sexual offender.  

 

[Henry Ford]

This stood out to me in the article, it magically popped into her mind? 

This also stood out in your quote:

If someone has a pattern of this kind of thing, it certainly wouldn't stop as they became more powerful or been confined to HS/College, would you agree? I just want some real evidence (and there should be some somewhere), I don't think that is so much to ask before ruining someone's life.

The other poster you stepped in to defend apparently feels these claims are not substantiated as of yet based on his quote, you appear to have a very different opinion.

Okay, guilty as charged on that quote.

I think there is room for disagreement about the level on which these have been substantiated.  I also think that anyone saying that reasonable people cannot disagree about what probably happened with Kavanaugh is probably out of line. However, it seems clear that he was no angel (which isn’t a crime) but seems to be trying to convince people he was, which worries me. 

 

[Henry Ford]

It would be interesting if he got confirmed, the dems won the house, they conducted hearings, and they impeached him. They wouldn't get the votes in the Senate to remove him, but the stain would never go away.

It already may not.  Thomas’s hasn’t entirely.  

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

I think there is room for disagreement about the level on which these have been substantiated.  I also think that anyone saying that reasonable people cannot disagree about what probably happened with Kavanaugh is probably out of line. However, it seems clear that he was no angel (which isn’t a crime) but seems to be trying to convince people he was, which worries me. 

It’s behavior unfit for the Supreme Court.

The choices here aren’t SCOTUS or jail.  It’s a job interview.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Let's say Kavanaugh is confirmed but there's legitimacy to these accusations.  Any chance this guy can be held criminally liable for cases this old or is it past the statute of limitations? 

It's going to be great having a SC justice who's a known sexual offender.  

Based on what I’ve read in this thread, there isn’t a statue of limitations on sexual assault in Maryland.  

What I don’t know is if SCOTUS justices have protection from lawsuits.  What would happen if a criminal trial didn’t happen, but there appeared to be enough evidence for a civil suit to have a chance.  Would Ford be able to sue Kavanaugh?

 

[Ignoramus]

This is completely false.   

You know full well that Republicans wouldn't ever vote for someone with a truthful and documented history of poor ethics and/or ill-treatment of women.

 

[Henry Ford]

Conspiracy theory has begun.  The Democrat from the House who died unexpectedly in Florida last night has a BA from Yale and is 54. It’s beginning to be discussed as Vince Foster. Sigh. 

 

[Sand]

You're one of the leaders in the forum and people will follow you.

It's gotten a bit better today, aside from the "Kavanaugh is an incel" item, which was way beyond the pale.  Hopefully that one has stopped.

The worst personal attacker hasn't been around for a bit (not sure if removed or just left).  So improving.

 

[fantasycurse42]

However, it seems clear that he was no angel (which isn’t a crime) but seems to be trying to convince people he was, which worries me. 

Common ground here.

As I said, I’m not a fan, and he does come off as dishonest.

 

[Joe Bryant]

The choices here aren’t SCOTUS or jail.  It’s a job interview.




 

I think this is a very good point and it's often overlooked.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Based on what I’ve read in this thread, there isn’t a statue of limitations on sexual assault in Maryland.  

What I don’t know is if SCOTUS justices have protection from lawsuits.  What would happen if a criminal trial didn’t happen, but there appeared to be enough evidence for a civil suit to have a chance.  Would Ford be able to sue Kavanaugh?

Civil suit is likely to be time barred. 

 

[Sinn Fein]

It would be interesting if he got confirmed, the dems won the house, they conducted hearings, and they impeached him. They wouldn't get the votes in the Senate to remove him, but the stain would never go away.

Reminds me of the joke: What do you call the person who graduates last in Med School?  Doctor. 

What do you call a liar who is confirmed to the Supreme Court? Your Honor. 

There will not be any asterisks next to any opinion he authors.  The stain is irrelevant. (Just as it is with Thomas)

However, the Christmas parties will be legen - wait for it - dary!

 

[Sand]

I think this is a very good point and it's often overlooked.

It's also the thought process that leads so many to presume guilt and gleefully proclaim that this isn't a court of law, so any nod in the slightest to due process can be disposed of.  It's prevalent here and certainly in the Senate, where so many have already condemned him.  

I fully realize that this is the nutty conservative in me wanting to see a shred of it in these proceedings, the media, etc.

 

[Sweet J]

Civil suit is likely to be time barred. 

There may be ways around it, depending on how she argues the complaint. 

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

Apparently the GOP is not revealing the inquisitor's name.

Tomasina Torquemada.

 

[badmojo1006]

Conspiracy theory has begun.  The Democrat from the House who died unexpectedly in Florida last night has a BA from Yale and is 54. It’s beginning to be discussed as Vince Foster. Sigh. 

 

[Yo Mama]

It's also the thought process that leads so many to presume guilt and gleefully proclaim that this isn't a court of law, so any nod in the slightest to due process can be disposed of.  It's prevalent here and certainly in the Senate, where so many have already condemned him.  

I fully realize that this is the nutty conservative in me wanting to see a shred of it in these proceedings, the media, etc.

But most, if not all, of the people here that are stating that the accuser should be heard and not attacked are the ones asking for a “due process” of a thorough investigation. 

The criticisms are towards the lack of honesty, transparency, the victim attacks, and the forcing of this whole confirmation through that is coming from the GOP.  That’s where the push back is coming from, not that everyone thinks he’s automatically guilty.

The GOP leadership is sure acting as if he is, though. 

 

[cockroach]

It's also the thought process that leads so many to presume guilt and gleefully proclaim that this isn't a court of law, so any nod in the slightest to due process can be disposed of.  It's prevalent here and certainly in the Senate, where so many have already condemned him. 

They've already set a date for the vote without even hearing his accuser/s.  If anyone is ignoring due process, it's those trying to rush him in. 

 

[Don't Noonan]

OK; what’s the rush, then?  If you’re confident there is no proof, why not have a full investigation, find that there is no proof, then proceed?  It’s not like there’s only a year left in Trumps term & there’s some previously unheard of unwritten rule that would prevent him from being confirmed.

Ask Joe Biden

 

[Don't Noonan]

"Even if it's all true, does it disqualify him? It certainly means that he did something really bad 36 years ago, but does it disqualify him from the Supreme Court?" 

- Rep. Kevin Cramer, the Republican nominee for Senate in North Dakota

link

The lying about it it for sure would disqualify him.

 

[Don't Noonan]

All Republicans are voting for Kavanaugh even though they know he is guilty of perjury.  The Republicans in Judiciary don't care if there is any proof of these allegations.

* citation needed