RK | PLAYER | TEAM | POS | SPEED (MPH) | WK | PLAY TYPE |
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1 | DK Metcalf | SEA | WR | 22.23 | 13 | 73 YD RECEPTION TDadd_circle_outline |
2 | Chase Brown | CIN | RB | 22.05 | 14 | 54 YD RECEPTION TDadd_circle_outline |
3 | Tyreek Hill | MIA | WR | 22.01 | 5 | 64 YD RECEPTIONadd_circle_outline |
4 | Devon Achane | MIA | RB | 21.93 | 3 | 67 YD RUSH TDadd_circle_outline |
5 | Kavontae Turpin | DAL | WR | 21.91 | 14 | 22 YD RUSHadd_circle_outline |
6 | Devon Achane | MIA | RB | 21.76 | 5 | 76 YD RUSH TDadd_circle_outline |
7 | Derrick Henry | TEN | RB | 21.68 | 18 | 69 YD RUSH |
What are you hoping to get for him?I'm happy hanging on to Henry, but I'm DEFINITELY shopping him
I traded Henry away for JSN toward the end of last year which I thought was great, but with Lockett signing back with SEA and Henry going to BALT I am not so sure (at least for this year). I can start 3 RB and have CMC, Etienne, Barkley, and JJacobs so I am happy with where the last two signed yesterday Henry may have just muddied the waters further of who to start.What are you hoping to get for him?I'm happy hanging on to Henry, but I'm DEFINITELY shopping him
I'd take Njigba easilyI traded Henry away for JSN toward the end of last year which I thought was great, but with Lockett signing back with SEA and Henry going to BALT I am not so sure (at least for this year). I can start 3 RB and have CMC, Etienne, Barkley, and JJacobs so I am happy with where the last two signed yesterday Henry may have just muddied the waters further of who to start.What are you hoping to get for him?I'm happy hanging on to Henry, but I'm DEFINITELY shopping him
Not even sureWhat are you hoping to get for him?I'm happy hanging on to Henry, but I'm DEFINITELY shopping him
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He's over 30 with declining ypc every year for the last 4 years coming from an offense that was built around him.
I would not say that the Titans O-Line was built around Henry. It was a detriment to him, not a positive.
My Deuce Vaughn stock just gained 200%
Gonna offer him up for a 2039 15th round pick.
Edit: Sorry, saw all the Dallas talk and was thinking this was Pollard's thread.
Sorry! My fault, as for Derrick Henry I am 90% sure he's going to Baltimore and he'll fit like a glove the same way Anquan Boldin did.
Now that this is official, let's unpack it a little bit. Gus Edwards averages 5 YPC in this offense and frequently punched it in the end zone. I am away from my computer so I don't have Gus' exact TD stats memorized.
At the least, I think we can all agree he's just as good as Gus Edward so that's his floor. For projections, I think you take what Gus has done and slap an extra 25% on top as just a baseline. I think D Henry will push for a potential career year.
Mobile QBs drastically improved RB performance in most situations. Chris Johnson doesn't rush for 2,000 yards without the threat of Vince Young tucking and running. Less dudes in the box, etc.
My gut says 1,350 rushing with 15 touchdowns. I think Henry has just enough juice and that scheme should be productive enough to elevate him to the player he was 2-4 years ago. It's arguably the best situation in the league for any RB. Just gotta hope he doesn't catch the injury bug, but his physicality is exactly what the Ravens' culture is built on. Perfect fit. I hope he retires a Raven.
He's over 30 with declining ypc every year for the last 4 years coming from an offense that was built around him.
I think he rarely if ever sees more than 15 touches per game with Mitchell seeing quite a few touches. I think he's lucky to 1000 yards this year with maybe 10 tds.
I agree that would be the conventional thinking, but Gus Edwards got 810 yards rushing and 13 TD last year. The guy they just let walk to pay this guy more money.
I think you have to ignore the numbers and trust the Ravens on this one. They're paying Henry more this year than the Chargers are paying Gus Edwards over the next two. Also, I don't think you pay a guy 10 million a year to only give him 15 touches a game.
More concerned with Dobbins than Mitchell but that's a different conversation.
Oh the 'let's trust the team because they are paying' argument does not hold a lot of weight. I have heard that over a 1000 times on this board for plenty of players that ended up getting way more than they worth
That being said you can draft him high and I'll wait until the later rounds to see if he's available. Beauty of fantasy football
I'm not touching an over 30 rb
So why do you think the Ravens decided to pay Henry $20,000,000 for 2-years if they could have gotten the same production from Gus Edwards for $6,000,000 over 2-years?
Not poking, I respect your opinion I am just wondering why you might think the Ravens did that if they plan on giving Henry the same touches they were giving the old guy who already knows the offense.
The same reason 100s of teams have overpaid for players. The same reason the commanders gave Haynesworth a record-breaking contract, the same reason NE overpaid wrs a couple of years back, the same reason it has happened over and over again. They are guessing in a flawed process in a competitive market.
Josh Norman got 75 million
coby fleener got 40 million
Andre Johnson got a huge contract from the colts (in a very similar situation as an over 30 over the hill star)
Demarco Murray got 40 million from the eagles
So yes the same reason as all those other contracts
I can dig it. Thank you for your response. I personally thing you could average 4 YPC in that offense, but as you indicated.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. God bless.
For sure...like i said earlier its mostly a guessing game but an over 30 rb with a ton of tread on the tires is a massive warning sign for me (especially because his stats look like he is wearing down). He had 3 good games last year and probably 10 duds...
If he's there is some of the middle rounds then maybe but I'll let someone else jump early because henry + ravens
I agree with you, any other RB over 30 and I'd be running for the hills. Maybe I'm naive, but I think Henry's size at 245 lbs will allow him to age more gracefully, if anyone is an outlier it's that guy.
But you're right, he could get injured Week 1 like Aaron Rodgers did and none of us should be surprised. The list of productive 30 year RB is a short one. You're right for being cautious, history says that's the correct move.
I guess we'll wait and see, I own dude in dynasty so I am definitely biased.
First this is the nicest conversation i think I have ever had on this board so thank you for that. You are clearly a good dude
Don’t use double negative. Use instead, “They call me SuperFootballGuy for a reason”.L
He's over 30 with declining ypc every year for the last 4 years coming from an offense that was built around him.
I would not say that the Titans O-Line was built around Henry. It was a detriment to him, not a positive.
My Deuce Vaughn stock just gained 200%
Gonna offer him up for a 2039 15th round pick.
Edit: Sorry, saw all the Dallas talk and was thinking this was Pollard's thread.
Sorry! My fault, as for Derrick Henry I am 90% sure he's going to Baltimore and he'll fit like a glove the same way Anquan Boldin did.
Now that this is official, let's unpack it a little bit. Gus Edwards averages 5 YPC in this offense and frequently punched it in the end zone. I am away from my computer so I don't have Gus' exact TD stats memorized.
At the least, I think we can all agree he's just as good as Gus Edward so that's his floor. For projections, I think you take what Gus has done and slap an extra 25% on top as just a baseline. I think D Henry will push for a potential career year.
Mobile QBs drastically improved RB performance in most situations. Chris Johnson doesn't rush for 2,000 yards without the threat of Vince Young tucking and running. Less dudes in the box, etc.
My gut says 1,350 rushing with 15 touchdowns. I think Henry has just enough juice and that scheme should be productive enough to elevate him to the player he was 2-4 years ago. It's arguably the best situation in the league for any RB. Just gotta hope he doesn't catch the injury bug, but his physicality is exactly what the Ravens' culture is built on. Perfect fit. I hope he retires a Raven.
He's over 30 with declining ypc every year for the last 4 years coming from an offense that was built around him.
I think he rarely if ever sees more than 15 touches per game with Mitchell seeing quite a few touches. I think he's lucky to 1000 yards this year with maybe 10 tds.
I agree that would be the conventional thinking, but Gus Edwards got 810 yards rushing and 13 TD last year. The guy they just let walk to pay this guy more money.
I think you have to ignore the numbers and trust the Ravens on this one. They're paying Henry more this year than the Chargers are paying Gus Edwards over the next two. Also, I don't think you pay a guy 10 million a year to only give him 15 touches a game.
More concerned with Dobbins than Mitchell but that's a different conversation.
Oh the 'let's trust the team because they are paying' argument does not hold a lot of weight. I have heard that over a 1000 times on this board for plenty of players that ended up getting way more than they worth
That being said you can draft him high and I'll wait until the later rounds to see if he's available. Beauty of fantasy football
I'm not touching an over 30 rb
So why do you think the Ravens decided to pay Henry $20,000,000 for 2-years if they could have gotten the same production from Gus Edwards for $6,000,000 over 2-years?
Not poking, I respect your opinion I am just wondering why you might think the Ravens did that if they plan on giving Henry the same touches they were giving the old guy who already knows the offense.
The same reason 100s of teams have overpaid for players. The same reason the commanders gave Haynesworth a record-breaking contract, the same reason NE overpaid wrs a couple of years back, the same reason it has happened over and over again. They are guessing in a flawed process in a competitive market.
Josh Norman got 75 million
coby fleener got 40 million
Andre Johnson got a huge contract from the colts (in a very similar situation as an over 30 over the hill star)
Demarco Murray got 40 million from the eagles
So yes the same reason as all those other contracts
I can dig it. Thank you for your response. I personally thing you could average 4 YPC in that offense, but as you indicated.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. God bless.
For sure...like i said earlier its mostly a guessing game but an over 30 rb with a ton of tread on the tires is a massive warning sign for me (especially because his stats look like he is wearing down). He had 3 good games last year and probably 10 duds...
If he's there is some of the middle rounds then maybe but I'll let someone else jump early because henry + ravens
I agree with you, any other RB over 30 and I'd be running for the hills. Maybe I'm naive, but I think Henry's size at 245 lbs will allow him to age more gracefully, if anyone is an outlier it's that guy.
But you're right, he could get injured Week 1 like Aaron Rodgers did and none of us should be surprised. The list of productive 30 year RB is a short one. You're right for being cautious, history says that's the correct move.
I guess we'll wait and see, I own dude in dynasty so I am definitely biased.
First this is the nicest conversation i think I have ever had on this board so thank you for that. You are clearly a good dude
They don't call me SuperFantasyFootballGuy for no reason.
Better a year early than a year late.I'm happy hanging on to Henry, but I'm DEFINITELY shopping him
When he’s not absurdly threatening people with physical violence for using a reaction emoji, he’s positively delightful.First this is the nicest conversation i think I have ever had on this board so thank you for that. You are clearly a good dude
NiceHenry did clock the 7th fastest in-game speed during a play in the NFL last year. He may have lost a step, but he's still more than a few ahead of 99% of the league.
RK PLAYER TEAM POS SPEED (MPH) WK PLAY TYPE
1 DK Metcalf SEA WR 22.23 13 73 YD RECEPTION TDadd_circle_outline 2 Chase Brown CIN RB 22.05 14 54 YD RECEPTION TDadd_circle_outline 3 Tyreek Hill MIA WR 22.01 5 64 YD RECEPTIONadd_circle_outline 4 Devon Achane MIA RB 21.93 3 67 YD RUSH TDadd_circle_outline 5 Kavontae Turpin DAL WR 21.91 14 22 YD RUSHadd_circle_outline 6 Devon Achane MIA RB 21.76 5 76 YD RUSH TDadd_circle_outline 7 Derrick Henry TEN RB 21.68 18 69 YD RUSH
Louis Riddick
Derrick Henry LEAD THE LEAGUE with 2.21 yards after first contact per rush in 2023.
Derrick Henry to #RavensFlock is absolutely lethal. It’s so good.
I don’t understand why this didn’t seem to appeal to you #Cowboys. Made too much sense.
Who? I'm not seeing it anywhere yet.Ravens curiously lost two linemen today- maybe both to the Jets. One FA one trade.
That's such an odd followup to adding Henry
Who? I'm not seeing it anywhere yet.Ravens curiously lost two linemen today- maybe both to the Jets. One FA one trade.
That's such an odd followup to adding Henry
Simpson was Monday, so I knew about him. Moses is 900 years old, but I was worried about him leaving. The tweet doesn't say whether he is a trade or a cut-and-sign.Who? I'm not seeing it anywhere yet.Ravens curiously lost two linemen today- maybe both to the Jets. One FA one trade.
That's such an odd followup to adding Henry
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Jets help solidify their offensive line, landing two starters from the Ravens this week alone. Morgan Moses is expected to be the Jets starting right tackle, and former Ravens free agent John Simpson is expected to be their starting left guard. Moses started 16 games for the Jets at RT in 2021.
He was tradedSimpson was Monday, so I knew about him. Moses is 900 years old, but I was worried about him leaving. The tweet doesn't say whether he is a trade or a cut-and-sign.Who? I'm not seeing it anywhere yet.Ravens curiously lost two linemen today- maybe both to the Jets. One FA one trade.
That's such an odd followup to adding Henry
Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Jets help solidify their offensive line, landing two starters from the Ravens this week alone. Morgan Moses is expected to be the Jets starting right tackle, and former Ravens free agent John Simpson is expected to be their starting left guard. Moses started 16 games for the Jets at RT in 2021.
Ravens curiously lost two linemen today- maybe both to the Jets. One FA one trade.
That's such an odd followup to adding Henry
I remember feeling frustrated about Henry's lack of usage his first 3 years in the league - maybe he has more tread on his tires than we think? Plus he's an absolute freak, right there with ADP, takes great care of himself, etc. I think he's got 2-3 good years left, and maybe a career-type year coming up in '24. If he's there in round 2, I'm taking him.
Demarco was second in NFL in rushing or somesuch. He did wellI remember feeling frustrated about Henry's lack of usage his first 3 years in the league - maybe he has more tread on his tires than we think? Plus he's an absolute freak, right there with ADP, takes great care of himself, etc. I think he's got 2-3 good years left, and maybe a career-type year coming up in '24. If he's there in round 2, I'm taking him.
The Titans gave a 29 yo Demarco Murray more carries than Henry in 2017.
Demarco was second in NFL in rushing or somesuch. He did wellI remember feeling frustrated about Henry's lack of usage his first 3 years in the league - maybe he has more tread on his tires than we think? Plus he's an absolute freak, right there with ADP, takes great care of himself, etc. I think he's got 2-3 good years left, and maybe a career-type year coming up in '24. If he's there in round 2, I'm taking him.
The Titans gave a 29 yo Demarco Murray more carries than Henry in 2017.
I must have had the years mixed up. He wanted big money, turned down offers and insisted, until the market dried up and he couldn't find work.Demarco was second in NFL in rushing or somesuch. He did wellI remember feeling frustrated about Henry's lack of usage his first 3 years in the league - maybe he has more tread on his tires than we think? Plus he's an absolute freak, right there with ADP, takes great care of himself, etc. I think he's got 2-3 good years left, and maybe a career-type year coming up in '24. If he's there in round 2, I'm taking him.
The Titans gave a 29 yo Demarco Murray more carries than Henry in 2017.
That was 2016 and Henry’s rookie year, he couldn’t replicate it in 2017. Murray had a few decent games early but then looked done by mid-season and retired after that season.
Jamison Hensley
Derrick Henry on those who say his best days are behind him: "Tell them to keep watching."
TrueI hope my trade partners think he will get 2000 yards, easiest sell high ever if thats the case.
I wish I had him so I could sell high. That’s how good a sell high he is.I hope my trade partners think he will get 2000 yards, easiest sell high ever if thats the case.
Unfortunately in other leagues where I need RB, I have to inquire about him.I wish I had him so I could sell high. That’s how good a sell high he is.I hope my trade partners think he will get 2000 yards, easiest sell high ever if thats the case.
Yeah, for buying that train has sailed.Unfortunately in other leagues where I need RB, I have to inquire about him.I wish I had him so I could sell high. That’s how good a sell high he is.I hope my trade partners think he will get 2000 yards, easiest sell high ever if thats the case.
I have a feeling it will require at least a top 4 pick which I am not doing
Ok Biff TannenYeah, for buying that train has sailed.Unfortunately in other leagues where I need RB, I have to inquire about him.I wish I had him so I could sell high. That’s how good a sell high he is.I hope my trade partners think he will get 2000 yards, easiest sell high ever if thats the case.
I have a feeling it will require at least a top 4 pick which I am not doing
It’s not rocket surgery is all I’m sayingOk Biff TannenYeah, for buying that train has sailed.Unfortunately in other leagues where I need RB, I have to inquire about him.I wish I had him so I could sell high. That’s how good a sell high he is.I hope my trade partners think he will get 2000 yards, easiest sell high ever if thats the case.
I have a feeling it will require at least a top 4 pick which I am not doing
You may have to wait for the "Henry puts em over the top" articles to come out.Nobody is sniffing around him in the one league I've got him. Sell high window might be during the season when he's putting up huge games and some contenders want someone to put them over the top. Obviously some risk waiting that long though.
Jeff ZrebiecHarbaugh on signing Henry: "I'm trying to figure out who is more excited on our staff: the offensive coaches or the defensive coaches."x.com
x.com
Ravens head coach John Harbaugh said the team’s offense won’t be “reliant” on run-pass options in 2024.
Asked about using Derrick Henry in run-pass option (RPO) plays alongside Lamar Jackson in the Ravens backfield, Harbaugh said the team wouldn’t lean too heavily on RPOs this season. “I think we’re in the right place with our RPOs,” Harbaugh said. “I don’t think it’s something that we’re going to like go wholesale towards, because Lamar has got so many different ways he plays the game, and there are other things we like to do, to be honest with you. ... I don’t see us going towards like [a] specific offense that runs those more than anybody else. RPOs will be a part of what we’re doing, for sure, but they’re not going to be the main part of what we’re doing.” Jackson’s mobility has opened up running lanes for many Baltimore backs over the years, most recently Gus Edwards, who thrived in the red zone taking handoffs from Jackson on RPO play calls. Henry’s touchdown-base upside in the Baltimore offense is hard to overstate.
I think he means they ran a lot last year so we'll roll with that for planning and off-season.Ravens head coach John Harbaugh said the team’s offense won’t be “reliant” on run-pass options in 2024.Asked about using Derrick Henry in run-pass option (RPO) plays alongside Lamar Jackson in the Ravens backfield, Harbaugh said the team wouldn’t lean too heavily on RPOs this season. “I think we’re in the right place with our RPOs,” Harbaugh said. “I don’t think it’s something that we’re going to like go wholesale towards, because Lamar has got so many different ways he plays the game, and there are other things we like to do, to be honest with you. ... I don’t see us going towards like [a] specific offense that runs those more than anybody else. RPOs will be a part of what we’re doing, for sure, but they’re not going to be the main part of what we’re doing.” Jackson’s mobility has opened up running lanes for many Baltimore backs over the years, most recently Gus Edwards, who thrived in the red zone taking handoffs from Jackson on RPO play calls. Henry’s touchdown-base upside in the Baltimore offense is hard to overstate.