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RB Damien Williams, ATL (2 Viewers)
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EthnicFury
Footballguy
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I think he’s got pass catching skill. He’s got ideal size and is a solid athlete. He could be decent.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Anything could happen, but Williams is a much more proven commodity, so I still think the most likely scenario is he gets the job back next week
titusbramble
Footballguy
why is yahoo telling me he has the bubonic plague
edit - ok, he may have tested positive for said bubonic plague, it would be nice to have got an e-mither about it in case i really wanted to start miles sanders in an hour
edit - ok, he may have tested positive for said bubonic plague, it would be nice to have got an e-mither about it in case i really wanted to start miles sanders in an hour
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You WANTED to? Why on earth would you do that? He's been awful all year except for week 1.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Posted this in the NFL Covid thread, but Williams' decisions over the past year are truly inscrutable. First he opts out last year because his mom had Stage IV cancer; it's admirable that he was willing to put his family first, but the decision cost him his roster spot with the Chiefs. So then he signs a one-year deal with the Bears as the backup behind Montgomery, and when Montgomery goes on IR, he has a chance to shine and maybe secure bigger money next year ... except then he gets Covid. And now he may miss a second straight game because he's unvaccinated, and even if he doesn't, there's a good chance Khalil Herbert may have passed him on the depth chart anyway.
Also, as far as I can tell his mother is still alive (and therefore still immunocompromised), so by not getting vaxxed he may have put her at risk, too.
ETA: Oh yeah, he also may be Patient Zero for an outbreak on the Bears
Also, as far as I can tell his mother is still alive (and therefore still immunocompromised), so by not getting vaxxed he may have put her at risk, too.
ETA: Oh yeah, he also may be Patient Zero for an outbreak on the Bears
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Simply moronic
To opt out and then not get vaccinated is insanity. He cost himself a huge role on a Super Bowl contender, a big role when given the chance as a backup, and may have lost his job altogether.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Right, he basically went from being the starting RB for a SB winner -- and arguably the second-best player on the field in that Super Bowl -- to third-string on an also-ran, entirely because of two decisions he made over the course of the past year. I think the initial opt-out decision was defensible, especially since he presumably made it with eyes open, and maybe his career would have tanked regardless -- every RB is basically always half a step away from the unemployment line. Still, the fall from grace is kind of amazing
rockaction
Footballguy
Don't bury the guy just yet. Non-vaccination drives me nuts, but I wouldn't shovel dirt on him. He's still got life in there.
But you're right. The NFL is fickle and any voluntary leaves are viewed with suspicion. Controllable things (like vaccinations) that cause one to miss time are viewed with even more skepticism from the coaches and front offices than normal and any player that steps up and is willing to follow protocol (provided they flash like Herbert) will step to the front of the line.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I thought about that. But how many cases are there of RBs being left for dead and then coming back? I'm sure it's happened, just can't think of any right now.
But the more important point is, as an NFL RB you only get so many bites at the apple. Williams has now wasted two of them.
[OK, just thought of Ricky Williams. But that kind of proves my point. He was uber-talented, so the Dolphins were willing to give him another shot. Williams just isn't at that level.]
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, I just meant this year. He'll get some run with Chicago when he comes back and Montgomery is healthy. Their skill sets complement each other. Herbert and Montgomery are more similar, and I expect Herbert's work to decrease in a huge way when Montgomery gets back, with Williams being the third-down/passing specialty back.
But I think I know what you're saying.
rockaction
Footballguy
I personally wouldn't. You have one beat reporter from the Athletic speculating. For all you know, Williams could be activated Saturday and starting Sunday.
I dropped him after watching Herbert go off last week. My assumption is it is a split backfield at a minimum and Montgomery is back after the bye.
Hartliner
Footballguy
I think he is actually a good bet as a flex w/ upside as lowend RB2 this week.
I think TB being the heavy favorite makes the gamescript predictive.
I see TB as having a good run stopping front and that seems to be Herbert's role and the Bears will most likely need to throw to get back into the game. This matchup seems to favor the hurry up offense for the Bears and I think Damian Williams is the benefactor. The tempering expectations w/ him being w/o practice for 2 weeks is prolly overblown. He's a vet and this Bears O is the same system/playbook that he is already familiar with.
I think TB being the heavy favorite makes the gamescript predictive.
I see TB as having a good run stopping front and that seems to be Herbert's role and the Bears will most likely need to throw to get back into the game. This matchup seems to favor the hurry up offense for the Bears and I think Damian Williams is the benefactor. The tempering expectations w/ him being w/o practice for 2 weeks is prolly overblown. He's a vet and this Bears O is the same system/playbook that he is already familiar with.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Cleared and ready to play.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I think I’m going to start him over Herbert
My thinking (hoping) is Tampa will shut down the run and take the lead and DW will be catching passes
Im wrong alot
My thinking (hoping) is Tampa will shut down the run and take the lead and DW will be catching passes
Im wrong alot
Capella
Footballguy
Capella
Footballguy
I have both him and Herbert. There’s no way in hell I’m playing this guy coming off of covid with no practice. If I take a 0 with Herbert that’s just the way it goes. This hobby sucks.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Honestly, this should be the required permanent footer for every post on this site
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I’m glad he’s doing better. I hope he can take advantage of this opportunity. But Damien, please get vaccinated as soon as possible, if not for your own career, if not got the good of the team, then at least for your mom
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ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
Data is unclear. But what everyone seems to agree is that if you've been infected and then get vaxxed, that offers the best possible protection. If your own mother's health were at stake, wouldn't you take every reasonable step you could to protect her?
And by the way, this isn't a theoretical discussion for me. My mother-in-law is immunocompromised, in addition to being a Covid widow, and you better believe that her situation has been a major factor in all our decisions over the past year and a half.
To clarify, I meant "as soon as is recommended", not that he should run out and do it tomorrow.
Anyway, don't want to sidetrack the thread any further. I wish Williams and his family the best.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I don't think I can start him when he didn't get to practice, they may prefer Herbert anyway, they're playing the Bucs, and he may not feel super right now. And Nagy is still the coach.
But I probably have to anyway. Herbert too.
But I probably have to anyway. Herbert too.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Sounds like it’ll be RBBC from hell.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
While I agree with the 2nd part of your sentence, I wouldn't be so sure about the first part.
zamboni
Footballguy
He was pretty much out of the picture in Chicago behind Montgomery and Herbert, so not sure he offers much of a threat at this stage.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
All true but Mike Davis is not exactly a big bar to cross and and it's not like any of us were high on C-Pat last year at this time.
Maybe not. Davis has certainly shown more lately.
Williams had a nice playoff run 3 years ago on a Super Bowl team, but between opting out, and immediately losing the #2 job in Chicago to a day 3 rookie(albiet one who I thought was a day 2 talent) he hasn't shown much lately.
Davis, while certainly nothing special, was pretty solid in 2020 filling in for CMC. Ultimately this is hopefully the #2 and #3 RBs.
ETA: With so many decent RBs in FA, I don't know why they aren't aiming higher. Maybe an extension for Patterson is coming, but there were at least 10+ FA RBs better than Williams.
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The RB market is weird, some real spares getting signed, Abdullah by Raiders is last one meanwhile other then the Arizona Rb's quickly signing all the other top FA Rb's which I thought to be Fournette, Penny, Rojo and maybe Michell still all twisting in the free agent winds.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think there be someone else brought in ahead of both of them, whether it’s one of the better FAs still out there mentioned above, or a rookie. I doubt they roll again with a retread like they did last year with Davis.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Yes, but I don't think he(or Sony Michel, or Ronald Jones to be honest) are better than Davis/Damien.
Its a lot easier to be a RB for KC, LA, or TB, than it is to be on Atlanta.
In my opinion, its Patterson>Penny>Gordon>Fournette, and then don't bother until after the draft.
