BladeRunner
Footballguy
Interesting. I suppose that's their right. Any info on why the dad bought the gun?
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dkp993
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Gonna take a stab in the dark here (while simultaneously hitting the bullseye) and say he was a lost and angry kid.
dkp993
Footballguy
I can’t stop thinking about this video. It’s so f-ing unreal that they have to go through something like this. There is literally a killer at the door. If your stomach doesn’t drop from watch this I’m not sure you have a pulse.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I do, and my bow, and my car, and my maskless city, and my knives and my ball bats .....
I'm sorry, what was your point ?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
shooter used a handgun
this will be yesterday's news today because its not a tragedy that can be used for political gain
had it been same injuries/death with a rifle, there would have been an all out assault by Biden/Democrats
but it wasn't
where was school security ?
this will be yesterday's news today because its not a tragedy that can be used for political gain
had it been same injuries/death with a rifle, there would have been an all out assault by Biden/Democrats
but it wasn't
where was school security ?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
If that’s true, the dad should be charged. Unreal the lack of responsibility shown there as a gun owner and parent.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I almost say who cares? There’s lonely, angry, mentally unwell, vindictive, etc teens everywhere in the world. The real question is why did a teen have such easy access to a handgun and ammo?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Both are important. A lot of these end with the shooter taking their lives, so IMO we should try to learn as much as we can when a shooter like this is arrested if it might help stop another incident.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Between you, fish and dan lambskin I don't know who takes the record for most hyperbole. If you guys can't control your emotions like a bunch of teenage girls then maybe you should sit this one out until you can.
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
They run out the window and then go back into a building where sheriff and staff are right there saying it's ok. If the shooter was still active and that close that would have been handled differently.
glvsav37
Footballguy
I can't confirm, but I heard a report that the person on the other side of the door said the word "bro" and that tipped the other students to doubt he was actually a sheriff.
edit to add: it is quite possible that they already cleared and secured that side of the building. It looks like they ran to a different wing of the school, so it is possible that, with only one shooter, the officers could have deemed that area safe while pushing into the rest of the school looking to corner the shooter. But thats just my opinion
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BladeRunner
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yak651
Footballguy
You can hear it in the linked twitter video. The kid in the room said "he said bro, it's a red flag, go"
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Read some weird stuff about this school. Threats earlier in the month, a severed deer head left in a courtyard.
Also read that deputies apprehended the shooter gun in hand as he came out of a bathroom. Maybe as early as 3 minutes after the 911 call.
My sources aren't great though, so don't take to bank bromigos.
Also read that deputies apprehended the shooter gun in hand as he came out of a bathroom. Maybe as early as 3 minutes after the 911 call.
My sources aren't great though, so don't take to bank bromigos.
Desert_Power
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tuffnutt
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As a teacher, I can tell you my district has 5 buildings on 2 separate Campuses and 1 resource officer... 1. Unless schools are to hire multiple officers... this is NOT the answer. And if, each school district in America WAS to hire multiple officers, how are we going to pay of it?? I cant even get new textbooks for my classroom!
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Dan Lambskin
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How so?
do you disagree that if everyone in America turned in their guns we’d have less dead kids from school shootings?
don’t tell me it’s not realistic
answer as a simple yes or no
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ilov80s
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Also true that many of the kids kind suspected this to happen. One kid gave an interview saying many of his friends didn’t go to school that day out of concern.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
The school officer made the arrest. It’s a school with about 1500-1800 kids. It’s a big building. Sounds like it was probably about 3 minutes from first shot to arrest.
As for an angle, it should be how did the kid get his dads gun? Why was it so easy to access? Should their be more training on gun safety required for gun owners? Should their be criminal consequences when a parent leaves their gun out so that their child has access to it?
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Ilov80s
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What’s easier to prevent:
A) kids from feeling alienated, angry, hateful or unwell?
B) kids from having access to a gun?
I am also interested to hear who knew what ahead of time and who didn’t follow up properly with the warning signs.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Your concern for The ChildrenTM is as fake as bleach-carrying MAGA supporters in -40 degree below weather in Chicago at 2am in the morning. You came into this thread with one purpose - to throw political firebombs. Your concern for The ChildrenTM is only used when someone calls you out.
Spare us your fake outrage - you're more concerned with talking points and agendas. The ChildrenTM are just the vehicle you're using today.
BladeRunner
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belljr
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There is a political answer in here about how funding keeps getting slashed but will somehow blame the teachers
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
BladeRunner
Footballguy
You didn't have any questions because you aren't looking for answers - just agendas.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Police are saying the severed deer head was unrelated. They caught the suspect walking down the hall with a handgun and 2 clips. He peacefully gave himself up. There’s reports he posted himself on IG with the gun and that he posted images of “targets”.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
And just want to add, I have 3 school age children, so school shootings are a definite concern to me, especially when it’s in my local community
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
@BladeRunnerdo you think there would be less dead kids from school shootings if all civilians turned in their guns
yes or no?
yes or no?
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I wasn't trying to imply they were related. From what I saw they caught the guy that did it because they had good quality video of him doing it.
Just crazy that two times in the last month the school had to issue all clear/safe messages. Imagine how bad that spokesperson feels?
Not their fault at all and zero wrongdoing, I just imagine that person feels awful.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
well the answer isn't trusting kids not to go wacko nut job and the answer isn't to punish 80- million legal law abiding citizens for the actions of a few dozen troubled kids .... the answer is multiple officers IMO
which piggy backs costs - I get that, I do ..... but I don't think with a 2 trillion spending package just being pushed through money is lacking in our Federal Govt
truth is - the leaders/Govt don't want to protect kids in schools. If they did - they'd find the money to do it
Stealthycat
Footballguy
not just a gun - you'd have to take away access to any weapons which is virtually impossible and, does absolutely NOTHING to help the kids and what's making them what they are
don't ignore the core problems, we've done that way, way too long
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Oh no worries, just letting people know. It does look like the kid posted a countdown on IG over the last couple days saying death was coming to Oxford. The signs were there for parents, students and administrators.
James Daulton
Footballguy
Just curious why you think the outrage is fake? School kids being shot up is a seriously emotional and devastating event. One that happens routinely almost exclusively in this country.
I think you should chill out and stop being so emotional. Of course it upsets people, let them be upset. No one is going to come and take your guns so relax.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
No thanks. I'd rather discuss this topic with someone that is well-meaning and honest in their discussions.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
You should probably read the entire thread, starting at the latest shooting to see who the emotional ones are and to get my take on why the outrage is fake. I think if you had read it, you would understand where I'm coming from when I say that. I mean, I literally explain it in my previous posts.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
we can what if many many ways .... would their be less dad kids if this, if that ... the core problem is the few dozen wacko's that want to hurt others in schools every year - literally 50 million of so kids go to school and literally what, 25-50 take weapons' to schools and try and kill others every year? for that % you'd make every citizen in the USA give up their constitutional right to firearms ?
Data on the weapons used in school-associated homicides is even harder to find. The CDC does have data, but only from July 1999 to June 2006. It includes data on fatal injuries that happened on school property, occurred at a school-sponsored event, or took place while traveling to or from those (the data doesn’t include colleges and universities). Over that period, the CDC calculated that, among student victims, 65 percent of homicides included gunshot wounds, 27 percent included stabbing or cutting, and 12 percent included beatings (the total adds up to slightly more than 100 percent because incidents may have included multiple means).
So know the above - lets pretend guns were not around, and these troubled kids used knives to kill/wound ... logically following your trend of banning things to stop things, we would then require all citizens to turn in their knives ?
why ignore the core problem ?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
One of the core problems is a fascination and obsession with guns that we have. Also there’s no weapon equivalent to a gun. Most 15 year olds couldn’t make a working bomb. Using a knife requires a physically and commitment totally different from a gun with a lower body count. The kid gave up when the police arrived. I’m not at all convinced he would have had the intensity and commitment to stab multiple people to death. That’s just so so different from shooting.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
COE - Violent Deaths at School and Away From School and ...
https://nces.ed.gov › programs › coe › indicator
Violent deaths and shootings at schools are rare but tragic events with far-reaching effects on the school population and surrounding community.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
my kids were never fascinated with guns - yours are? In fact, I don't know anyone obsessed with guns, you do ? because that's kinds weird
yes, different tools, but you are talking about a troubled person intent on harm, they're going to do it, with whatever they can acquire ... maybe instead of a gun, he's have drove a car through a group of kids waiting in line killing dozens. I'm actually surprised this hasn't become a trend
BladeRunner
Footballguy
I think statements like this exaggerate what guns really are to people. A lot of this comes from hype driven by lefty ideologues who need to exaggerate to try and push their agenda thru.
I think you'll find that most people who own guns aren't fascinated or obsessed with them at all.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
other countries protect their kids with guns, or their laws/judicial system is so much harsher and kids are treated/raised very differently .... lots of variable that you're not taking into account plus we'd not hear of a school shooting in most other countries, our media doesn't report like that which leaves us in echo chamber
example - remember this ?
yeah ... nobody did, because our media didn't show it
https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/11/02/cameroon-gunmen-massacre-school-children
(New York) - Gunmen stormed a private school in Cameroon’s Anglophone South-West region on October 24, 2020, killing 7 children and injuring at least 13 others. Cameroonian authorities, with technical support and forensics expertise from the United Nations and African Union, should urgently protect the site, preserve evidence, carry out a credible, effective investigation, and ensure that those responsible for the attack are held to account.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
if there is a fascination/obsession, look to Hollywood for glorifying them, video games, tv violence, rap violence etc maybe ?
I was watching Ozark the other day .... and the kid got his friend to purchase an AR15 for him (illegal to sell the gun the way it was portrayed anyway) and then when he did shoot it? yeah - fully auto ........ completely illegal
but they drove home important anti-gun points like how easy it is to buy illegally and how guns are fully automatic etc
James Daulton
Footballguy
You're comparing the US to Cameroon? And I said more regularly in the US.
How often do we see school killings in Canada, Europe, Russia, Japan, India, etc?
James Daulton
Footballguy
You keep using the The Children like it's somehow fake that people are upset that kids got killed.
You're coming across really poorly but you do you.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
no you said almost exclusively in this country.
every country is different, in some countries its stabbings, in some countries there is no violence at all (its their culture NOT to be violent) ... same countries also see low rioting, they have less diversity in population, etc etc there are MANY factors involved with a simple statement like " well we see more shootings in the USA "
the problem is - the people
you like what if's .... what if we could lock up every person wanting to harm someone else - lock them away in prisons ..... nobody would have to give up a gun, a car, a knife, anything. Would you do that ?
James Daulton
Footballguy
You giving one example of a killing in a 3rd world country does not negate my "almost exclusively in this country" comment.
And stop. Not a single first world country kills each other like we do. Hell, we're worst than most 3rd world countries. I agree it is the people, but it's also the easy access to guns. Guns are the most efficient killing tools by a wide margin.
Dan Lambskin
Footballguy
No thanks. I'd rather discuss this topic with someone that is well-meaning and honest in their discussions.
It’s a pretty simple yes or no question
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