“They are attempting to bypass this body’s Rules Committee on behalf of various bills that will seize control over elections from the states and take it from the states and where do they want to put it? They want it to rest in the hands of Washington"
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How much Voter Fraud is Happening (1 Viewer)
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The General
Footballguy
You can vote in person if you want. Hopefully your area doesn't have some archaic system that has 1 place to vote with hour long lines that you get to go to after working all day.
The General
Footballguy
The General
Footballguy
That’s fantastic.
I’ll mail mine in after looking it over. Then track to make sure it has been received and counted.
The General
Footballguy
What do you expect them to say? Ol Mitch just loves piling up bipartisan bills on his desk to collect dust."oh crap...he didn't stop at the headline!"
The General
Footballguy
One seems like a much better option that allows more people to vote. It’s almost like the plan is to not have people vote or make it as challenging as possible.
The Commish
Footballguy
Yes....changed tune. "It" here is election interference in case you forgot. That comes in many different forms and it's laughable that one would attempt to suggest the GOP cared during the last election. As a matter of fact, the only time you guys seem to "care" is when its in an effort to suppress votes, but even then your "care" is narrowly focused on boogeyman type scenarios that have no meaningful, statistically significant impact on elections. The best part is, as of late, when found, "voter fraud" (more accurate to say election fraud IMO) it's found being done by the GOP....yet another reason many feel left behind by today's GOP.
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beef
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Sounds like someone in the Kanye/GOP camp may have committed a crime.
>> The state Democratic Party filed a complaint Friday asking state officials to block rapper Kanye West from appearing on the presidential ballot in Wisconsin this November, saying his campaign was tardy submitting its signatures.
The challenge also suggests there are numerous problems with West's nomination papers, including incorrect addresses for circulators and bogus signatures, such as "Mickey Mouse" and "Bernie Sanders." It also included affidavits from six individuals who said they were duped into putting their names on West's paperwork.
"If the affidavits are true … crimes were committed by the West campaign," said attorney Michael Maistelman, who gathered the affidavits for the state Democratic Party.
A message sent to the email account listed on West's Federal Election Commission filing bounced back as undeliverable. <<
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.jsonline.com/amp/3318242001
Green Balloons
Footballguy
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
If he was serious and not pulling PR stunts he should have pardoned Crystal Mason, a black woman in Texas, is serving 5 years in prison for voting on supervised release when she didn’t even realize she was ineligible & her ballot wasn’t counted.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Yeah I know it's just a stunt because of the day and everything but it's so weird for Trump to pardon someone for illegally voting while at the same time ranting and raving every day about how bad illegal voting is.
I think there's a legitimate difference between good illegal voting and bad illegal voting. I don't think it's inconsistent for Trump to pardon Susan B. Anthony while railing against the systematic busing of illegal immigrants into New Hampshire so that each can vote multiple times in between changing hats.fatguyinalittlecoat said:
Boston
Footballguy
Voter fraud? How about candidate fraud!
https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/21/democratic-mayor-sabrina-belcher-faked-kidnapping-conspiracy-false-police-report/
https://dailycaller.com/2020/08/21/democratic-mayor-sabrina-belcher-faked-kidnapping-conspiracy-false-police-report/
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
https://www.fox5ny.com/news/shipments-of-nearly-20000-fake-drivers-licenses-seized-at-chicago-airport?fbclid=IwAR1JpTMewWbZ0nq6gsR3kDv4qh8ZixOJ4nLwNaJycHmGtVI5yg4bAxsVQ7o
20,000 ........... that's enough to change elections at local/state levels
20,000 ........... that's enough to change elections at local/state levels
Yenrub
Footballguy
You are correct 20,000 votes could certainly have an affect on a local election
After reading the story it doesn’t appear as if voter fraud is the motivation for obtaining the fake ID’s.
the moops
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Also so they can bus each other to the polls.You think teenagers buying fake IDs are doing so in order to vote?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
we don't know the true use of those fakes and it was one catch ... how many tens of thousands of ID's are NOT caught ?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Joe Summer
Footballguy
This is such a dishonest argument, yet you keep making it again and again and again. You keep proposing hypothetical scenarios, yet not once have you or Republican leadership provided any evidence that the hypothetical could ever happen, let alone actually happen.
Yenrub
Footballguy
You are correct we don’t know for certain the intended use for the fake ID’s however I do think that is much more reasonable to think that college students are obtaining fake ID’s so that they can get into clubs and buy alcohol instead of obtaining fake ID’s to vote.
Arguing the reverse seems disingenuous.
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
Mile High
Footballguy
So your wife is going to commit voter fraud?Looks like my wife has 3 votes. We received her own, and also for her mom and dad as we took care of their things and had everything mailed to our home. Dad has been dead for over 10 years. Mom died 5 years ago.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
What do you honestly think will happen if your wife casts votes on behalf of her dead parents?Looks like my wife has 3 votes. We received her own, and also for her mom and dad as we took care of their things and had everything mailed to our home. Dad has been dead for over 10 years. Mom died 5 years ago.
Which state and county? A bigger problem for elections departments is that people move around alot, and are often registered at 2 addresses. A national voting registry would solve these problems, but that's not likely anytime soon.Looks like my wife has 3 votes. We received her own, and also for her mom and dad as we took care of their things and had everything mailed to our home. Dad has been dead for over 10 years. Mom died 5 years ago.
There's a video from the Miami-Dade web-site on their signature verification process:
https://youtu.be/2vFg2fbDfRA
The Commish
Footballguy
I have to think that number is doubled around just about any college campus in America these days
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
We won`t. Think about as she was only one person who could cast 3 if she wanted. How much of this is going on?
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Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
[scooter]
Footballguy
Ballots are mailed for dead people all the time. Tens of thousands of times every single year, in every single state.
However, it's almost impossible for such a ballot to be used to cast a successful vote. For two reasons:
1. the signature on the ballot must match the signature on file with the state. It's very unlikely that your wife would be able to match both of her parents' signatures, but even if she does, there is another safety net:
2. voter rolls are usually updated prior to the election. In fact, it's possible that her parents were already eliminated from the voter database, and only received a ballot because the state uses a different database (such as the DMV list) for mass mailings.
At any rate, it would be very, very, very easy to verify if any dead people ever voted in a recent election. Most states maintain a voting record for every registered voter; it would be a very easy matter to simply cross-check the list of active voters with the list of recently deceased. And despite dozens of investigations (by both private and public entities, including a very high profile investigation by the Trump administration), we have yet to see any evidence of widespread (or even modestly-spread) voter fraud.
It's a nothingburger.
The Commish
Footballguy
Based on analysis 3-4% of all ballots have "issues" and are rejected...this being one of the issues of course.
Sand
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Best I can tell, the REQUEST FORMS were sent with information prefilled on them. They had to be signed and returned to get a ballot. Is there a significant "logic" difference between that and sending out blank ones that they then end up verifying against the same voter roles they used to prepopulate the REQUEST FORMS? Help me understand why this is a "whiff of logic"....TIA. Won't even get into the "fraud enabling" part as these were REQUEST FORMS.
[scooter]
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Perhaps...but that's an error in process, not logic. That's what I am trying to understand.
Sand
Footballguy
There are few to no standards for verifying signatures, even in the biggest States like California.
Kinda like defining obscenity - "I'll know it when I see it". Horribly, structurally insecure on every level.
[scooter]
Footballguy
But that lack of standard is exactly the same whether an application form is prefilled or not, no? And the lack of standard is exactly the same whether a vote was cast in person or by mail, no?
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