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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (14 Viewers)

Scenario I’m facing. My buddy’s wife cuts my hair and I have an appointment tonight with her. Buddy just told me he’s been off work the past two days with flu like symptoms.  Do I cancel the hair cut? 
 

Had breakfast with the guy Saturday so I could be screwed anyway. 😷

 
Because he's not an expert on virus transmission and him calling for the cancellation of the NCAA tournament isn't a responsible message to share.

The very next guest is Sanjay Gupta who is someone who should be providing that kind of insight or sound off on that issue.
You don’t think experts are calling for the cancellation of the NCAA tournament?   :lmao:

I’d say, if that was Barkley’s opinion, that there was nothing close to “irresponsible journalism.”  

 
Cancellation hasn’t been announced but vendors to Boston marathon have been notified that’s it’s off
Source?

(Asking as someone who's registered to run the marathon but fully expects it to be canceled/postponed.)

 
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Woke up this morning to the announcement that our county has possible Ecoli in the water supply. So we all have to boil the water to drink it and the kids are home from school today and tomorrow. 

Flatten the curve........with Ecoli 
Yep. Already put out the bottled water I fought for on the sinks for my boys to brush their teeth. What a mess and now I have less bottled water! Once it clears we’ll go back to the filtered water. The basic filters don’t do Ecoli.

 
Viking cruises are suspending their ocean and river cruises until May 1st
Princess now also shutting down for 2 months.

We have a 4 night Royal Caribbean cruise booked for the kids break over week of 4/6 and assuming that will be off too.  A local (but not ours) school district announced that any kids that were anywhere out of the country have to take a 14 day admin leave / self isolation before returning to school.  If that spreads to our school district will be a hard stop too.

 
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The news on both sides is a joke. I am not trying to get political but I turn on CNN last night and I think Don Lemon was on and instead of talking about the Coronavirus or the impact of Trumps speech or the cancellation of the NBA he went on and on about the lies Trump just told. How is that helpful for anyone?
I turned on MSNBC after the speech and lasted all of 2 minutes and about the same amount of time going to Fox with Hannity. Wound up watching Family Guy from Sunday. to get away from it all. Is there any news channel that can handle this in a non-political way?

BTW - South Park will probably get an entire season out of this.

 
KarmaPolice said:
I guess actors and NBA stars can get tests done but my wife couldn't last week and people's family in here can't seem to.   
To be fair to Tom Hanks and Rita Wilson, they were tested in Australia and are quarantined there now.

But your overall point is spot on -- Rudi Gobert got to the head of the line for a test. One or more Congeressmen did the same. One of the downfalls of American culture -- maybe human culture, really -- is that cash and power shorten the way all too often. But flip-side: humans suck bad at perfect socialism, too, where needs trump all over wants.

We're flawed, and in some circumstances, that gets exploited. But ... humanity has many millenia on this planet, so it must work in a giant-picture sense.

 
I turned on MSNBC after the speech and lasted all of 2 minutes and about the same amount of time going to Fox with Hannity. Wound up watching Family Guy from Sunday. to get away from it all. Is there any news channel that can handle this in a non-political way?

BTW - South Park will probably get an entire season out of this.
I would assume BBC, but at this point I just think I'm past listening to newscasters.  What's the point anymore?  The only time I care is if there is something I want to see visually.  Other than that, we have all the info we need online (for now), why take in whatever they feel like telling us? 

 
The news on both sides is a joke. I am not trying to get political but I turn on CNN last night and I think Don Lemon was on and instead of talking about the Coronavirus or the impact of Trumps speech or the cancellation of the NBA he went on and on about the lies Trump just told. How is that helpful for anyone?
Yeah I saw him with Kasich. He was over the top cutting him off and pissed off. I get his point but the way he was acting wasn't helpful. What I wouldn't give to have Kasich in charge instead of Trump right now.

 
Princess now also shutting down for 2 months.

We have a 4 night Royal Caribbean cruise booked for the kids break over week of 4/6 and assuming that will be off too.  A local (but not ours) school district announced that any kids that were anywhere out of the country have to take a 14 day admin leave / self isolation before returning to school.  If that spreads to our school district will be a hard stop too.
"Abundance of caution".

BREAKING: Princess Cruises, which is owned by Miami-based Carnival Corporation, announced that it will be temporarily pausing global operations of its 18 cruise ships for two months out of an “abundance of caution” over the COVID-19 pandemic.

More dominoes to fall.

 
You don’t think experts are calling for the cancellation of the NCAA tournament?   :lmao:

I’d say, if that was Barkley’s opinion, that there was nothing close to “irresponsible journalism.”  
If I'm watching a news show, I want to see an expert opinion on how the virus spreads and what the risks are.  Barkley can sound off on his opinion on an opinion based show, or a sports show.  If you want to listen to Barkley's opinion on the virus, OK for you, but it shouldn't be shared on something passing as a legitimate news show.

 
Scenario I’m facing. My buddy’s wife cuts my hair and I have an appointment tonight with her. Buddy just told me he’s been off work the past two days with flu like symptoms.  Do I cancel the hair cut? 
 

Had breakfast with the guy Saturday so I could be screwed anyway. 😷
Cancel. Isn't it mandatory to grow your hair long in apocalyptic situations anyways? Time to get crackin'.

 
Very good thread here....

@patrickhopkins: 1/ Since I have so many new followers as I'm #LiveTweetingthePandemic, I thought I'd go over where things stand in Italy and how we got here.

I think it will give you a good roadmap of what to expect in your near future.

https://twitter.com/patrickhopkins/status/1238092086907412481

And i really like the balanced ending here....

@patrickhopkins: 8/ You need to repress that instinct in you that says "I'm overreacting" or "only nuts with tin foil hats do this". A pandemic is not normal life. There are new rules. 

Don't freak out, adjust. And the govt WILL adjust as well, slowly but surely. In the meantime prepare. /end

 
belljr said:
I feel people are overreacting to be perfectly honest..
Sometimes ... you have to react to the reaction, if you know what I mean.

...

I saw a quote yesterday attributed to a 'Mark Leavitt' ... unsure on the name. Anyway, it goes:

"Everything we do before a pandemic will seem like an overreaction. Everything we do after a pandemic will seem inadequate."
 

The news horrible reporting the virus is now "airborne" based on that one controlled study - doesnt help matters
:goodposting:

I would ask everyone to be skeptical as frack about any overly-negative or "gamechanging" Coronavirus news. Especially science-based news filtered through a journalist. Always go straight back to the original study or paper if you can -- thankfully, online articles are good about providing links.

 
So a couple weekends ago we stocked up on Advil and Tylenol. What other OTC meds would be a good idea here? Are there any cold/sinus/cough/congestion meds that are a must? I know this isn't the typical cold/flu. Personally I've been frustrated over the years in that these type of meds dont seem to help me much when sick. In general I think I must have allergy issues probably with things like pollen and also foods. I get stuffed up alot and some swelling of the throat. Feels like I develop mucus up above my throat and back into my large tonsils that doesn't want to move. I know I should probably go to an ENT guy sometime. Tried to get my tonsils out years ago but insurance wouldn't do it. Anyways, sorry for the long rambling post. Just looking for meds to have on hand. 

 
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DallasDMac said:
San Antonio pressing on with the Tejano Music Festival this weekend. Organizer's logic is "Well, we haven't had any public cases yet in SA!" So we're going to bring 100,000 people together and make sure we remedy that. This is how it begins in bigger cities. Stupidity is allowed to run amok. I'll miss you guys (ok, not really).
I would bet money that the plug will be pulled at the 11th hour. New Orleans went from "No cases! Every come and party!" to "Shut it all down ... ALL OF IT!" in about 48 hours.

 
So a couple weekends ago we stocked up on Advil and Tylenol. What other OTC meds would be a good idea here? Are there any cold/sinus/cough/congestion meds that are a must? I know this isn't the typical cold/flu. Personally I've been frustrated over the years in that these type of meds dont seem to help me much when sick. In general I think I must have allergy issues probably with things like pollen and also foods. I get stuffed up alot and some swelling of the throat. Feels like I develop mucus up above my throat and back into my large tonsils that doesn't want to move. I know I should probably go to an ENT guy sometime. Tried to get my tonsils out years ago but insurance wouldn't do it. Anyways, sorry for the long rambling post. Just looking for meds to have on hand. 
Besides some extra Advil, I bought a little extra Robitussin / nighttime cough syrup. We usually have none in the house until someone gets sick (it's just my wife and I). But now I have 4 bottles. Stores never have a big stock on that stuff, and I could see bare shelves.

 
Isnt that ["airborne"] the main way they think this is passed? Otherwise why are we talking about large groups and social distancing.  
"Airborne" can mean many things, but in this case it's about catching COVID "on the wind" by being within the same general area as a coughing COVID carrier. Like someone coughs at the 50-yard line, and the droplets from their mouth move through the air all the way to infect you in the end zone.

One of the main risks** of COVID is from coughed/sneezed droplets -- that's where the "stay six feet away" thing comes from and where social distancing comes in. But the cough/sneeze droplets don't stay dancing in the air and get carried off by the A/C system or the breeze if outside, etc. -- they fall to the ground or onto surfaces after roughly six feet (not a hard number).
 

** Other main risk? The dreaded fomites -- publicly-touched objects. This still requires cough/sneeze droplets to be deposited first, though.

 
WFH, and have CNN on (I know, but I'm curious how they are fanning the flames).  In one of the most rediculous examples of irresponsible journalism I've seen lately, they have Charles Barkley on to expound on the risks and what people, players, and fans should do.  Makes sense.
It does actually make sense to have celebrities explain this.  People trust the opinions of like minded people and people they like.  They don't always trust experts.  There's plenty of anecdotes in here of people saying "I didn't believe you're was a big deal until I saw/heard X and then I knew this was serious".  Barkley will be that moment for some people.  

 
bostonfred said:
We have approximately 300,000 free hospital beds in the US.

If 5 to 10 percent of cases require ICU (5 percent on average, 10 percent in Italy) then when we get to 6 million infected, we will certainly be out of hospital beds.  

Right now we have thousands od reported infections.  But following this https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-act-today-or-people-will-die-f4d3d9cd99ca we most likely have way, way more, and even if we all lock ourselves in our homes indefinitely the reported numbers will continue to rise dramatically day by day. 

And both the number of cases, and number of available beds, are distributed unevenly across the US. 

Statistically it's a near certainty that we already have people who will die preventable deaths because there wasn't an available hospital bed to treat them.  
this is a really good article.

 
Besides some extra Advil, I bought a little extra Robitussin / nighttime cough syrup. We usually have none in the house until someone gets sick (it's just my wife and I). But now I have 4 bottles. Stores never have a big stock on that stuff, and I could see bare shelves.
+1

Ibuprofen & Acetaminophen for fever.  Dayquil/Nyquil for other symptoms.  Dayquil + Advil is basically a miracle drug in terms of how you feel.

 
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Fighting off people that believe Trump's lies from his speech.  The whole nobody can fly from Europe stuff, and no cargo is shipping. 

I don't get how you have a teleprompted address and yet cause so much mis-information?  Is it really that he doesn't know how to read?

I never thought I'd have to go looking on snopes to see if I can fact check something like that to share it out.  FFS

 
+1

Ibuprofen & Acetaminophen for fever.  Dayquil/Nyquil for other symptoms.  Dayquil + Advil is basically a miracle drug in terms of how you feel.
I'm a big fan of regular psuedo and advil, tbh.  That and a coffee.  You got a recipe for a day right there. 

 
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The media fuels this #### when they post stories about the one young, healthy person who happens to get very ill from this. That doesn't help. 
I do think this is sensationalism -- yes, there will be young, healthy folks that succumb to this. In fact, throughout the Chinese outbreak to date, it's been very roughly 1-in-500 dying of COVID among the 20-50-year-old folks infected ... though one has to imagine smoking, undiagnosed underlying conditions, etc. had a lot to do with individual cases. But the one-off cases where some 30-something year old passes away (especially a doctor or nurse taking in viral loads working with COVID patients) are not particularly informative to the public.

 
I work for an insurance company that covers people for paid leave and Ill just say there is concern.
I'm getting lots of these questions myself.  Would short term disability kick in if employees are quarantined and can't go to work, no matter if sick or not?

 
It does actually make sense to have celebrities explain this.  People trust the opinions of like minded people and people they like.  They don't always trust experts.  There's plenty of anecdotes in here of people saying "I didn't believe you're was a big deal until I saw/heard X and then I knew this was serious".  Barkley will be that moment for some people.  
If true, that makes me sad.

 
Isnt that ["airborne"] the main way they think this is passed? Otherwise why are we talking about large groups and social distancing.  
"Airborne" can mean many things, but in this case it's about catching COVID "on the wind" by being within the same general area as a coughing COVID carrier. Like someone coughs at the 50-yard line, and the droplets from their mouth move through the air all the way to infect you in the end zone.

One of the main risks** of COVID is from coughed/sneezed droplets -- that's where the "stay six feet away" thing comes from and where social distancing comes in. But the cough/sneeze droplets don't stay dancing in the air and get carried off by the A/C system or the breeze if outside, etc. -- they fall to the ground or onto surfaces after roughly six feet (not a hard number).
 

** Other main risk? The dreaded fomites -- publicly-touched objects. This still requires cough/sneeze droplets to be deposited first, though.
Or an infected person touching their face, blowing their nose without handwashing or holding their infected child's dirty hand and then opening a door or using a card reader. 

 
There’s some truth in that. But it would be reckless and dangerous to not report there are exceptions to who we expect to be the high risk demo.
My only caveat here is that you want to elicit community-thinking behavior among lower-risk folks, not "I gotta save my own skin!" reactions.

I don't know. You're a respected guy here, but maybe I'm missing something.

 
At Costco now. They have a lot of Kirkland brand TP - there is a steady stream of people making a bee-line from the entrance back to the TP. Kind of funny to just watch...

 
Just wanted to say I hate all of you.

I go into the grocery store a few minutes ago to buy my daily energy drink, and my kids needed cereal/snacks for the day (home for spring break).  I walk past the toilet paper aisle and there are two 6 pack packages left.  I grab both.  Not because I had toilet paper on my list, but because I am not sure what our toilet paper situation is.

The crazies making me act irrational.

ALSO - the store at this time is usually full of moms, but this morning it is all dudes.  Dudes with carts full of whatever prepper list scared them the most told them to get. You think those chlorox wipes and lysol spray bottles are going to stop you from catching a cold?

 
Besides some extra Advil, I bought a little extra Robitussin / nighttime cough syrup. We usually have none in the house until someone gets sick (it's just my wife and I). But now I have 4 bottles. Stores never have a big stock on that stuff, and I could see bare shelves.


I'm a big fan of regular psuedo and advil, tbh.  That and a coffee.  You got a recipe for a day right there. 
+1 to these.  Nyquil is amazing to get a good night sleep when u feel awful.  Sleep/rest is the ultimate medicine.  I have mixed results with mucinex (the high dose stuff gives me awful jitters).  Sudafed is basic but really helps dry out sinus.  Add some fever reducer and you can control symptoms and get rest. 

 
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I am working from home today. Not due to coronavirus though. My kids teachers are on strike so all school have been closed TUE, WED, THU. And likely tomorrow too.

I fully support their reasoning and their cause - but man, what timing

 
Understood. Please don't make jokes.

People are concerned and tensions are high.
No clue which mod is posting this - I love FBGs - you tell people they can't make jokes and I'm out.  It's dumb.  And I completely understand people are concerned, I'm concerned but you know what - that's how people deal with life.  You want to stop jokes at peoples expense that fine - if we can't even make light-hearted jokes like I did about hiding toilet paper from my family then what are we even doing here?

 
I do think this is sensationalism -- yes, there will be young, healthy folks that succumb to this. In fact, throughout the Chinese outbreak to date, it's been very roughly 1-in-500 dying of COVID among the 20-50-year-old folks infected ... though one has to imagine smoking, undiagnosed underlying conditions, etc. had a lot to do with individual cases. But the one-off cases where some 30-something year old passes away (especially a doctor or nurse taking in viral loads working with COVID patients) are not particularly informative to the public.
First, some apparently healthy people are getting very sick and needing ICU attention.   Some of those are dying.  

Second, as this spreads, we will get hospital overrun means that more of those will die because they couldn't get proper treatment.  

Third, if people see now that young people aren't at risk, then they won't take proper precautions, and that's how we get hospital overrun.  

Informing people of cases where healthy young people die can help to save lives.  Minimizing the risk doesn't.  

 
No clue which mod is posting this - I love FBGs - you tell people they can't make jokes and I'm out.  It's dumb.  And I completely understand people are concerned, I'm concerned but you know what - that's how people deal with life.  You want to stop jokes at peoples expense that fine - if we can't even make light-hearted jokes like I did about hiding toilet paper from my family then what are we even doing here?
not only that, but the guy who came in here and shat 20 posts a minute out, including one where he stated that he is "hoping karma hits those in charge" posted unabated well into the wee hours.  

 
Sometimes ... you have to react to the reaction, if you know what I mean.

...

I saw a quote yesterday attributed to a 'Mark Leavitt' ... unsure on the name. Anyway, it goes:

"Everything we do before a pandemic will seem like an overreaction. Everything we do after a pandemic will seem inadequate."
 

:goodposting:

I would ask everyone to be skeptical as frack about any overly-negative or "gamechanging" Coronavirus news. Especially science-based news filtered through a journalist. Always go straight back to the original study or paper if you can -- thankfully, online articles are good about providing links.
That’s a great quote and so true. In retrospect, the best course of action would have been to ban all foreign travel 2 months ago into the US for foreign nationals and require a mandatory 14 days quarantine for all Americans coming in on international flights. I have to imagine that if we had done that though, loads of people would have been outraged saying it was way over the line.

 

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