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Depends on who you ask. This Seahawk homer doesn't believe he will be worthy of a weekly start under current administration. I don't think Carroll and Bevel will ever fully "open up" the Seattle passing game to the level that some people will want. I believe the will continue to run the ball and play defense while maintaining an efficient passing game. This is Carroll's preference, and will likely always be his preference. I believe this was his way of thinking even when he was back at USC (Bush and White come to mind). IMO you can expect Kearse, Baldwin, and perhaps Lockett to sporadically have big games and more often have lackluster fantasy production. Its not a knock on them as players. I just think its the reality of the situation. Carroll is focused on winning and believes this is the best way to go about it. He's been very consistent in his speech and actions for a long time now. I know there are some who dislike Carroll quite a bit from his days back at USC, but I think he's been very honest since he showed up in Seattle. I believe his players love him for his honestly. I've been very impressed and glad he came to the northwest.
It will be interesting to see their approach when Lynch is done. Being a run first conservative team works well when you have somebody the caliber of Lynch.
This is a good point, but I'm positive they will "try" to find RB to pound at the line of scrimmage before they just start going all Dan Marino with Wilson.
I think you are right that SEA is a team built for success by using the run to set up the pass. Also think you are right about Carroll's focus on winning, but not at the cost of sticking to a single plan if it's not working. This is a staff who jettisoned effective players when they feel they had young personnel to fill the gap -- they embrace change if they feel it will result in wins.
I can't agree too much with this sentiment. Stompin' Tom is possibly onto something here. I think we were all shocked to see Carroll and company jettison players like Curry and Flynn so quickly and replace them with Wright and Wilson. Guys like Giacomini and Carpenter are starting for the Jets now. They don't mind change at all when it comes to personnel, but scheme? Maybe. I guess no, but time will tell.
Agree about wait and see, and do agree that it is a harder move to change a scheme that has been so successful, but they are in a desperate place. Even if they don't change anything about their third WR utilization, I do think Lockett has earned the chance at reps and has the talent and potential to be more effective than someone like Kearse as WR2.
Sure, but you are overstating it by referencing the two edge points (Seattle with Lynch vs. Dan Marino). The truth will almost certainly lie in the middle. Seattle's pass attempts have gone up in each season with Wilson at QB, from 405 to 420 to 454. I expect that trend to continue this year with Lynch still the primary RB.
True. Extreme hyperbole on my part.
Not sure I agree here. For me I expect about the same. I see more random variation here as opposed to a trend. Here's a thought: Instead of looking at seasons as only three data points, wouldn't it be better to view individual games as data points (about 50 now)? This wouldn't be hard to analyze from a purely statistical approach. I could conduct a hypothesis test to see how well the data creates a slope greater than zero. Will only take me a few minutes when I get back to my classroom on Monday.
Look at it this way. How many games with 30+ passing attempts has Wilson had per season?
I dumped his first 50 games passing attempts into Excel. Plotted the data and found a trend-line including the R^2 value. Was a bit surprised at looking at some of the data. Will share when I have time later.
Would be curious to hear your thoughts on this data with regard to Lockett's future value.
Interesting, thanks. Drop backs are impacted by game situation too. SEA was behind far more in games 1-2 this year than normal. That will lead to more pass attempts.
I see Lockett as a much more polished receiver than both Patterson and Hester. The team has been raving about his route running skills from the moment he showed up. Cobb or perhaps Steve Smith (ceiling of course) is probably a more apt comparison.
Thanks for the feedback. That's what I was hoping to hear. Can you imagine getting him involved on screens and rollouts when the D needs to respect Wilson's running ability?
Can Rawls be a Lynch replacement? Possibly, but unlikely. And at the same time, its probably not fair in assessing Rawls this way. Lynch brings quite a few intangibles to the table that few NFL stars possess. I don't think it's a stretch to say that Lynch is the "heart" of the Seattle offense similar to how Chancellor is the heart of the Seattle defense. However, it might be that the team can find some of those intangibles in other players. Maybe Lockett can be that kind of guy long term like we've seen with Steve Smith through the years. Again, likely not fair to judge a young player this way.
I sort of cringe when I see this. I don't think its fair to label Seattle's existing WRs as less than average. Its unfair to judge them by their stats due to limited opportunities. When given the chance, they make plays. Both Kearse and Baldwin might be much more prominent receivers if they played in a different system that chucked it all over the field.
I've always liked Baldwin (moresomthan Kearse), but watching him I see a talented possession receiver and not a guy teams would want to build an offense around. Sure, if he played in Green Bay or New England, he'd look pretty good, but more in the Amendola/LaFell/Montgomery vein than Nelson/Cobb. Maybe Edelman on an off day.Hooper31 said:
I disagree. Look at Graham. Look at Tate, Tate showed last year that he could be a great receiver in the league when he is the number 1 guy. When he was the number 1 guy on Seattle he didn't put up any great numbers.
I think we agree. Apologies. I don't think I made myself clear. When I read "outperform", I assumed that meant ourperform statistically. I don't think Nelson, Cobb, or Hilton would post any better statistics in Seattle than the current Seattle WRs. Tate is a great example. Given the opportunity he showed he was better than people thought he was. I think the same of Baldwin. He could easily be a 100 reception WR given the right situation.
I hate to say it, but I don't think Lynch is the answer. The O-line is terrible right now in pass protection.
His upside is undeniable. However, in this offense, it's severely limited. They trade a 1st rounder to bring over Jimmy Graham and aren't even utilizing him as they should be. It's because they don't throw the ball. There are too many weapons on that team for them to be struggling so badly and sitting at 2-2. Maybe Russell Wilson isn't the QB we thought he was. Or maybe their OC is too conservative. I'm actually thinking about trading away Lockett while he has some hype. He doesn't offer much in leagues that don't reward KRs. You'd have to hold on to him for years ala C-Mike and by that time he's a distant memory.
CMike had Lynch blocking his path to relevance. It also seems likely that he had other issues as well.
Big game tonight. 5-5, 79 yards and a TD. He's had 5 targets 3 of the last 4 games but they still seem to spread the ball around too much to have a standout WR.
Would like to see you expand on this. Are you saying he is comparable to Royal because of size and physical traits being comparable? When I watch them, their games don't seem similar to me, but that could just be that Seattle uses Lockett differently than teams have used Royal.
