PIK95
Footballguy
I would think that all rollouts have flaws and never have price discounts. 2.0 is always better in both regards IMO.
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I want to buy a Honda Pilot (BOUGHT Acura Integra ASpec-Tech) tomorrow.... (1 Viewer)
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STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
A lot of people will tell you its because the demand is way up and as a result, the price goes up and/or you lose some bargaining leverage.
My reason is all the tiny little things they don't get ironed out until the following year or two. Yes, these cars are engineered with hundreds of thousands of man hours, but inevitably there are oversights. The first year model may have some funky defect with a wiring harness or when you use your wipers, the wiper fluid leaks into your car.
Seems small but not to me when I'm dropping close to 40 grand.
PIK95
Footballguy
Got the best one they offer for that BTW. 4x4, rims, roof rack, navigation, DVD player, and all kinds of smaller extras. Its the 4x4 touring with navigation. They have another similar one that isn't as good. Ex-L I think. Hold out for the one I got. Good luck. This things a beast!
JHuber77
Footballguy
I know this is going to sound strange because it did to me. Make sure you go look at the Kia Sorento's as well. I thought they were still a crappy car manufacturing company and was so pleasantly surprised this weekend that I bought one. Best looking interior in a car that have seen in a long time. It also helps that Kia has Audi's old chief designer designing their cars. Plus you get the 10 year 100K warranty.
randall146
Footballguy
Sweet. When I trade in my '15 CRV for an upgrade in a couple years I'll expect a little referral discount from them. "Hi I'm randall - from the internets."
(HULK)
(Smash)
My wife is thinking of replacing her leased Odyssey with a leased Pilot this fall. For a lease, this doesn't apply as much right? Its not like you're stuck with it.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Yea, who cares about a leased car.
berndog
Footballguy
We're looking to replace our 2007 Odyssey and we have 3 kids so need 3rd row seating. My wife has no interest in buying another minivan after driving one for the past 15 years. We are definitely looking at Pilots but interested to see if there are other models we should be considering.
Jaysus
Good times!
Makes sense...looks like I'll still be looking at one though as the 16 pilot looks and featurewise appears a lot better than the 15
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Rented a 2014 Pilot in Florida for a week and agree about the seats. Also had way too many rattles for a vehicle with only 12K miles.
Nugget
Footballguy
belljr
Footballguy
It's true, however a redesign is not as bad as a first year model. It really depends on the "redesign". Is it mostly visual, did they upgrade engines blah blah balh.
Now for example the Colorado by Chevy was discontinued and came back in 2015. That is something to be more leary than a Pilot changing.
But overall I agree try to stay away from the first years.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
Great car. Congrats! We love my wife's 2012.
Agree with whoever chose the Pilot over the Highlander, including the OP. We looked at both back then as well and Pilot won easily.
Agree with whoever chose the Pilot over the Highlander, including the OP. We looked at both back then as well and Pilot won easily.
Brony
Footballguy
We just test drove Highlander, Pilot, Sante Fe, Traverse, Pathfinder, Acadia. Neither my wife nor I are that picky about the drive experience - found them all rather similar, but preferred the Pathfinder and Pilot for the drivers seat experience. Traverse and Acadia and Highlander offered bucket seats in 2nd row instead of bench which would be a plus, but all of these in higher models and out of our price range. The amount of space in the Sante Fe and Highlander felt a little small compared to others. We're leaning towards Pathfinder and Pilot still and it'll come down to price. The knock on the Pathfinder is only 2 seats in 3rd row.
We're tired of test driving, so spare me the "I can't believe you didn't check out the Cooper Mini!!! - I love mine"
We're tired of test driving, so spare me the "I can't believe you didn't check out the Cooper Mini!!! - I love mine"
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I test drove ever car you listed and the Ford Edge.
The Ford Edge won hands down and it wasn't close. We knew the moment we drive out of the lot.
matuski
Footballguy
Brony
Footballguy
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
That was the point, Copernicus.You exceeded my expectations on the dooshiest response possible.
PIK95
Footballguy
Some people call it "gray".
Galileo
Footballguy
Nugget
Footballguy
Ray Karpis
Footballguy
I've been shopping for something to replace an Odyssey. Vehicles are expensive these days. I don't have chet money.
Just curious, what are you guys generally willing to pay monthly for a car?
Just curious, what are you guys generally willing to pay monthly for a car?
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PIK95
Footballguy
I paid 35,400. True may have been 37,500? I did what Randall said and just emailed them all for bids.And thanks Nugget.
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Otis
Footballguy
Peak
Footballguy
I bought a 2012 Acadia after we were done with our Town&Country minivan. I test drove a Pilot, Highlander, Traverse, and Enclave along with the Acadia. I liked the Acadia as it had a little more leg room in all three rows, 2nd row bucket seats, and still plenty of room to haul our sports gear (baseball, soccer, track, coolers, etc). We didn't lose any room moving from a minivan to the Acadia and it has a much nicer ride. I felt the Highlander was too small and didn't like the boxiness of the Pilot. The Traverse and Enclave are very similar to the Acadia, but didn't have the 2nd row bucket seats, nor did they have the extended room in the back.
I really wanted a Yukon, but the wife felt that was excessive. The Acadia was a good compromise for us.
ChiefD
Footballguy
See, this is bad too. During the last year they use up all the old parts that have been laying around so they don't get stuck with them when they launch the re-design.
ragincajun
Footballguy
Tiger fan let me know what you find.
otello
Footballguy
Create a separate email address if you start emailing car dealers. Spam fest after.
Push every dealer for an out the door price, inclusive of all fees, taxes, prep, registration, cleaning, everything; and exclusive of any trade in. You want it in an email. Once they give the otd price, ask them to confirm it again, so there is no confusion. Even with that email, they will still try to pull a fast one.
Push every dealer for an out the door price, inclusive of all fees, taxes, prep, registration, cleaning, everything; and exclusive of any trade in. You want it in an email. Once they give the otd price, ask them to confirm it again, so there is no confusion. Even with that email, they will still try to pull a fast one.
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Not Allowed In Mexico
Brony
Footballguy
Picked up our Pilot yesterday. For our budget, we went with the LX. Following the blueprint in here, I emailed 6 dealers with the model and trim we wanted and asked for out the door cost. For other's reference, here is how the prices went.
All of these are before destination charges and fees for LX with 4WD:
MSRP: 31,470
Invoice: 28,779
TrueCar midpoint: 28,791
TrueCar GreatPrice: 28,134
Range of prices I got from 6 dealers: 25,800 to 27,300 with 3 of them 26,200 to 26,400. There is a dealer incentive going on that makes these possible.
Went with one in the mid range there since they had the color my wife and kids liked. Test drove at local dealership, but then there was no wiggle room on internet price so I left. Called another place and didn't get any wiggle room on internet price either. Went back to local and bought the one in the color the wife liked at the internet price. Didn't get what I hoped for on trade-in of course and was only able to negotiate up about 20%, but happy to be done with the whole thing. It was right on the brink of making me go the craigslist route on the old car sale.
Hopefully the car lasts as I hate this process. Either I got a great deal or TrueCar is wildly overstating things and I think it's probably the latter.
All of these are before destination charges and fees for LX with 4WD:
MSRP: 31,470
Invoice: 28,779
TrueCar midpoint: 28,791
TrueCar GreatPrice: 28,134
Range of prices I got from 6 dealers: 25,800 to 27,300 with 3 of them 26,200 to 26,400. There is a dealer incentive going on that makes these possible.
Went with one in the mid range there since they had the color my wife and kids liked. Test drove at local dealership, but then there was no wiggle room on internet price so I left. Called another place and didn't get any wiggle room on internet price either. Went back to local and bought the one in the color the wife liked at the internet price. Didn't get what I hoped for on trade-in of course and was only able to negotiate up about 20%, but happy to be done with the whole thing. It was right on the brink of making me go the craigslist route on the old car sale.
Hopefully the car lasts as I hate this process. Either I got a great deal or TrueCar is wildly overstating things and I think it's probably the latter.
Phil Elliott
Footballguy
We have a 2008 Pilot. Only complaint is the road noise is a little loud. Can be reduced with some good tires. Only problems we have had:
1. Dealer replaced battery no charge at 9 months.
2. Sensor to turn radiator fan off was replaced about 18 months ago.
3. Back shocks were replaced about 10 months ago.
110k miles on it.
Enjoy!
1. Dealer replaced battery no charge at 9 months.
2. Sensor to turn radiator fan off was replaced about 18 months ago.
3. Back shocks were replaced about 10 months ago.
110k miles on it.
Enjoy!
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bentley
Footballguy
I was talking to a guy that we do business with who is the General manager of the local Honda dealership and he swore this was a myth. He said that getting people to compete against each other via email was the way to go. Not sure what to think about that.
ragincajun
Footballguy
Had a dealer down to 36,775 on a loaded 4x4 2015 touring last weekend. I walked. Received 3 more calls that day. Received another email today about the special Memorial Day sale.
AcerFC
Footballguy
The fighting chance program is foolproof. There are always times that dealers need to offer the best prices. The end of the month, any month is where you get the best price if you have them compete. Waiting.until the end of the year won't so much since dealer incentives run from different times.
The worst thing you could ever do is give the dealer a price to work with. Have them give you the out the door price and when you get the best one, see if any can beat it
Got my subuaru for 3,000 UNDER invoice because the dealer needed that one sale to get whatever bonus they got.
I just bought the GMC Acadia one and plan on recruiting dealers starting on Wednesday. Plan to buy the car on Friday or Saturday
The worst thing you could ever do is give the dealer a price to work with. Have them give you the out the door price and when you get the best one, see if any can beat it
Got my subuaru for 3,000 UNDER invoice because the dealer needed that one sale to get whatever bonus they got.
I just bought the GMC Acadia one and plan on recruiting dealers starting on Wednesday. Plan to buy the car on Friday or Saturday
thought process behind waiting until the end of the year is that nobody else is thinking about buying cars during the holidays. Couple that with end of the month.....
Do you have any evidence that shows different?
From USAA: - https://www.usaa.com/inet/wc/advice-auto-buynewcar?akredirect=true
So you're ready to buy a new car.
Even if you've done your research, examined your budget and gotten preapproval, it can still be a tricky to get the best deal.
So, it pays to focus your efforts on negotiating areas where you can have some influence. Among those is picking the best time to get a deal on your car — and avoiding the worst.
Best Time to BuyAutomotive pricing and information website TrueCar's statistics show the winter months offer the greatest potential discounts, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should wait until then to buy a new car. Remember, as the year wanes, inventories become more limited, so even though great discounts may be available, they might not necessarily be on the exact model you're shopping for.
So if you have your heart set on something, think about whether the extra savings is worth potentially missing out on the car you really want.
Worst Time to BuyHistorical statistics show springtime probably isn't the ideal time to buy a new car: More people are out and about as winter weather clears, and tax refund checks are warming consumers' pockets.
With summer days ahead, more shoppers with a little extra cash in hand are looking for their next new car — which means dealers don't need to offer quite as many discounts to entice those eager shoppers to buy.
More ConsiderationsSteve Harrison, executive director of USAA's Auto Circle[SIZE=.9em]®[/SIZE], also suggests these four time tips to sway the buying process in your favor:
TrueCar also has studied the trends and found certain types of cars are better to buy in different months and worse in others. Consumers tend to get better deals on midsize cars in June, for example, while they may grab a better deal on a subcompact in December.
"Do the research," Harrison says. "A prepared buyer is ahead of the game."
So you're ready to buy a new car.
Even if you've done your research, examined your budget and gotten preapproval, it can still be a tricky to get the best deal.
So, it pays to focus your efforts on negotiating areas where you can have some influence. Among those is picking the best time to get a deal on your car — and avoiding the worst.
Best Time to BuyAutomotive pricing and information website TrueCar's statistics show the winter months offer the greatest potential discounts, but that doesn't necessarily mean you should wait until then to buy a new car. Remember, as the year wanes, inventories become more limited, so even though great discounts may be available, they might not necessarily be on the exact model you're shopping for.
So if you have your heart set on something, think about whether the extra savings is worth potentially missing out on the car you really want.
Worst Time to BuyHistorical statistics show springtime probably isn't the ideal time to buy a new car: More people are out and about as winter weather clears, and tax refund checks are warming consumers' pockets.
With summer days ahead, more shoppers with a little extra cash in hand are looking for their next new car — which means dealers don't need to offer quite as many discounts to entice those eager shoppers to buy.
More ConsiderationsSteve Harrison, executive director of USAA's Auto Circle[SIZE=.9em]®[/SIZE], also suggests these four time tips to sway the buying process in your favor:
- Shop early in the week. On weekends, salespeople typically have their hands full with a large number of shoppers. Shopping on Monday or Tuesday can get you more personal attention. USAA Car Buying ServiceGet member-only savings on your next car.
Learn More
- Shop at the end of the month or quarter. Salespeople are judged on their sales performance. At the end of the month or quarter, any sale might help them keep their jobs. A hungry or desperate salesperson can be your best ally when making the deal.
- Make your offer later in the day. If a salesperson hasn't racked up a sale all day, he or she may be more amenable as the minutes tick down to closing time.
- Look at outgoing models. Shop for last year's models when the new ones are due or just rolling into the showroom. The dealership wants to sell new cars and will be more willing to make deals on older models to get them off the lot.
TrueCar also has studied the trends and found certain types of cars are better to buy in different months and worse in others. Consumers tend to get better deals on midsize cars in June, for example, while they may grab a better deal on a subcompact in December.
"Do the research," Harrison says. "A prepared buyer is ahead of the game."
AcerFC
Footballguy
just what I read in the fighting chance packet which I know you use.
