rockaction said:
NCCommish said:
rockaction said:
gianmarco said:
Disgusting
And also,
here is a video from another guy and his reaction to the above video
Amazing to me that this is still an issue in our society.
Only got 56 seconds in and killed it because of the obvious political implications of "choice." I still remember when
people on the gay activist left insisted it was choice and not biology. And how dumb I felt for my stupid, uninformed troglodyte insistence otherwise that proved correct twenty years later.
I still love how the means or the justification doesn't matter, only the ends and politics.
When was this exactly?
'95. That's when they were so worried about genetic determinism and abortion that the fashionable thing to do was to insist on the morality of a choice-based homosexual lifestyle.
Hence the word "lifestyle" in all its etymological glory as a political statement about one's sexual preference.
Even the words betray that this was the leftist consensus.
You got any links? Because this liberal doesn't recall that movement at all. In fact all I ever recall hearing was born that way out of my fellow travelers.
Always heard lifestyle choice from the right wingers and alleged Christians. You know just like today.
Weird. That could be generational or regional. I can only recount my experience as a liberal arts guy at a Northeast college and then working on the cusp of Dupont Circle in D.C. in the late nineties.
So I do have links, but they're muddled. The genetic stuff started in the 90's, so the best I can figure, the "choice" argument might have been a natural academic reaction to the deterministic and genetic findings. I think maybe the 90's were different, and that maybe I was in social circles that were sort of ahead of their time, as opposed to how I've presented it, which is that "choice" was modus operandi and justification for the mainstream gay movement in the 90's.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/homosexuality--choice-born-science_n_2003361.html.
I think maybe I'm more of a product of a sort of more radical leftist education than most. I guess when you're penning elegies to the Gay 90's and the new phenomenon of "hasbians" that went to college at the time, you're in a bit of a different world than the religious right and NC. This might be an instructive thread for me, because all I know is what I heard about determinism. In writing about college lesbianism in the nineties, the author notes:
For lesbians over 45, sexuality wasn’t a choice. It wasn’t popular to come out.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/nightlife/sex/columns/nakedcity/n_8301/
So, all I know is my own experience, and maybe my generalizations aren't correct, though I think they were for my brief moment in time, based upon my own experience. Maybe I was just in proximity with more radical queers back then.