How Hillary Clinton's Toxic "Rape Narrative" Helped To Destroy Roe Vs Wade (5/9/22 5:07 PST) (1 Viewer)

VIDEO: What happened in Hillary Clinton's 1975 rape case? May 25, 2016

Hillary Clinton stands by her defense in the 1975 sexual assault case she represented after Donald Trump supporters hurl accusations. CNN's Randi Kaye reports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJ03Nw7ohww

VIDEO: Kathy Shelton speaks out about rape case involving Clinton Oct 13, 2016

Woman goes on 'Hannity' to discuss the Democratic candidate's actions as an attorney

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=724IMVqvzgY

TWEET: Hillary Clinton XX@XXHillaryClinton

Every survivor of sexual assault deserves to be heard, believed, and supported.

5:09 PM  Nov 22, 2015

https://twitter.com/hillaryclinton/status/668597149291184128?lang=en

TWEET: Kathy Shelton XX@XXKathyShelton_

I may be Hillary Clinton’s 1st female victim. She ruined my life; defended my rapist & blamed me. I was 12 yrs old. Then she laughed at me.

5:01 PM · Oct 9, 2016

https://twitter.com/KathyShelton_/status/785268880277114880

Direct Headline: What We Mean When We Talk About 'Suburban Women Voters'

"As a Hillary Clinton campaign official told The Washington Post just before the 2016 election: "We know that white suburban women are critical for both parties ... and the lowest hanging fruit for expansion among that group is more likely to be college-educated white women.""

Danielle Kurtzleben April 7, 20187:01 AM ET

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/07/599573817/what-we-mean-when-we-talk-about-suburban-women-voters

Direct Headline: Why Did So Many White Women Vote for Donald Trump?

Why did Donald Trump’s candidacy appeal to so many women voters?...He received the strongest support from white women without college degrees, 62 percent of whom voted for him. Although his supporters reported median household incomes of $70,000, the Trump campaign tapped into fears and frustrations among white working-class women about diminished possibilities for their husbands and sons to provide for their families.....

The second largest contingent of women supporting Trump was white women with college degrees. Forty-five percent of them voted for him. ...In addition, although Clinton won the popular vote, exit polls suggested that more people cast their vote against her than against him. Those who found Trump unlikable but still voted for him numbered 20 percent of his supporters, while only 12 percent of those who said they disliked Clinton still voted for her. Seventy percent of white voters also described Clinton as dishonest or untrustworthy. This dynamic may also help explain why so many millennials who had supported Bernie Sanders didn’t vote this time around; they just couldn’t get over their dislike for Hillary.

By Laura Morgan Roberts November 17, 2016 5:00 PM PST

https://fortune.com/2016/11/17/donald-trump-women-voters-election/

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Hillary Clinton's 2016 political slogan of "I'm With Her" was was pure political Kryptonite. Hillary Clinton's first ever legal case involves her defending, with great fervor, an adult male who raped a 12 year old girl. There are audio transcripts, in the first video above, of Clinton LAUGHING over Kathy Shelton's pain, trauma and suffering. At the same time, Bill Clinton's previous scandals resurfaced regarding multiple women accusing him of sexual assault and rape. Donald Trump's Media Optics handler, Mark Burnett,  brings all of Bill Clinton's accusers in public right before the second 2016 POTUS debate. This comes after Hillary Clinton uses social media to nationally broadcast that every sexual assault survivor deserves to be heard, believed and supported. (All of them? Is she sure?) And dredges up Hillary Clinton talking about women's rights as human rights and how she stands stoically with all female victims. No PR/Crisis Management firm in the entire world could have salvaged this scandal as the combination of Bill Clinton's rape accusations plus Hillary Clinton's own toxic "rape narrative" drove lots of women voters towards Trump. And that's even with not so shocking audio of The Donald disparaging/insulting women in general, smearing Rosie O'Donnell and talking about "Grabbing Them By The --------".

"I'm With Her" as a political slogan can easily be spun to refer to suburban women voters standing with Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and 12 year old Kathy Shelton and NOT Hillary Clinton.  The other Clinton slogan pushed out "Stronger Together" can easily be spun to refer to the aggrieved women bravely coming forward as a collective to denounce Bill Clinton as a rapist with Hillary Clinton cast as an enabler sadist grifter psychopath with no regard for women's rights at all. 53 percent of white women overall who voted in 2016 picked Donald Trump.

Had Hillary Clinton won the 2016 general election and taken POTUS, she could have projected to replace three members of SCOTUS in her first term in office.  Antonin Scalia died in February 2016 and was replaced by Neil Gorsuch. In June 2018, Anthony Kennedy retired and was replaced by Brett Kavanaugh. Following the tragic death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg during September 2020, her vacancy was filled by Amy Coney Barrett. And if Clinton had held on to a 2nd POTUS term and was reelected, she would have been in a position to replace Stephen Breyer with whomever she wanted, as Biden ended up doing. And who knows what would have happened to the ranks of SCOTUS until the 2024 general cycle.

**If Roe Vs Wade falls and is overturned, the construction of the current SCOTUS to make that happen rests on the failures of Hillary Clinton.** One of the most important issues about women's rights in American history might be lost ironically because Clinton couldn't overcome her own toxic narratives about her total lack of regard for "alleged" rape victims, including a 12 year old little girl, to the point that the collective of American women voters despised her so much, that they were willing to endure the exhausting Orange/Man/Bad narrative instead.

How many women in this country does Hillary Clinton need to make suffer?

She won't have time to answer you, she'll be too busy laughing.

CONTEXTUAL MATERIAL:

VIDEO: Hillary's Message to Survivors of Sexual Assault | Hillary Clinton Sep 14, 2015

Hillary's message to survivors of sexual assault: We're with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQ7543nJngk

VIDEO: Bill Clinton's accusers: We're ignored by mainstream media Oct 13, 2016

Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey speak out about sexual assault on 'Hannity'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhT7Q20A_uY

VIDEO: Women who accuse Bill Clinton of assault share their stories Oct 13, 2016

Part two of Sean Hannity's interview with Juanita Broaddrick, Paula Jones and Kathleen Willey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmkWO8kFFt4

VIDEO: Second Presidential Debate - Alleged Bill Clinton victims in audience - Hillary Clinton Donald Trump Oct 9, 2016

In the audience at The Second Presidential Debate Town Hall appears to be Juanita Broaddrick & Kathleen Willey who have accused Bill Clinton of sexual assault. Hillary Clinton vs. Donald Trump debate - Moderated by Anderson Cooper and Martha Raddatz at Washington University in St. Louis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iokNTO4DTf0

Direct Headline: Hillary Clinton Declares "Women's Rights are Human Rights"

"As Hillary Clinton continues her campaign to be the first female president of the United States, we look back at her speech as First Lady to the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women in Beijing 20 years ago.  "If there is one message that echoes forth from this conference, let it be that human rights are women's rights and women's rights are human rights, once and for all," Clinton declared in September 1995."

PBS September 8, 1995

https://www.pbs.org/weta/washingtonweek/web-video/hillary-clinton-declares-womens-rights-are-human-rights

Direct Headline: White Women Helped Elect Donald Trump

"While black and Hispanic or Latino women voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton, 53 percent of white women who voted picked Mr. Trump..."

By Katie Rogers Nov. 9, 2016

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/01/us/politics/white-women-helped-elect-donald-trump.html

I really is pretty amazing that Anthony Weiner's inability to keep his #### in his pants led directly to overturning Roe.  

If she had selected people in the same age range as Trump, you would have 5 conservative justices 62 years old or younger with a 6th being 68. Figure a majority for 20 years and a super majority for 10-15. 

So Hillary Clinton is responsible for destroying Roe v Wade?

You can't make this stuff up. 

squistion said:

So Hillary Clinton is responsible for destroying Roe v Wade?

You can't make this stuff up. 

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Well not directly.

The question is do you think the Supreme Court would have decided the most recent case connected to Roe v. Wade differently if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016?

squistion said:

So Hillary Clinton is responsible for destroying Roe v Wade?

You can't make this stuff up. 

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Apparently you can. Awful.

Joe Bryant said:

Well not directly.

The question is do you think the Supreme Court would have decided the most recent case connected to Roe v. Wade differently if Hillary Clinton had won in 2016?

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Of course. She would have nominated the 3 SCOTUS justices instead of Trump that would affirm Roe v. Wade.

squistion said:

Of course. She would have nominated the 3 SCOTUS justices instead of Trump that would affirm Roe v. Wade.

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Exactly. I know people on both sides of the aisle who thought SCOTUS was the #1 issue for voting in 2016. 

Joe Bryant said:

Exactly. I know people on both sides of the aisle who thought SCOTUS was the #1 issue for voting in 2016. 

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Sure, but there’s also a luck part. The luck part is RBG dying right before the election. If that doesn’t happen, Roberts writes a 5-4 decision which upholds the Mississippi law but doesn’t overturn Roe. 

squistion said:

So Hillary Clinton is responsible for destroying Roe v Wade?

You can't make this stuff up. 

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I agree - Hillary has nothing to do with this.

Like ... at all 

timschochet said:

Sure, but there’s also a luck part. The luck part is RBG dying right before the election. If that doesn’t happen, Roberts writes a 5-4 decision which upholds the Mississippi law but doesn’t overturn Roe. 

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This is true, but it's also true that if Hillary remembered to campaign in Wisconsin, she would flipped three votes.  That's a third of the court!

IvanKaramazov said:

This is true, but it's also true that if Hillary remembered to campaign in Wisconsin, she would flipped three votes.  That's a third of the court!

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Maybe.  I don't know that Kennedy would have retired if HRC was POTUS in 2018.

timschochet said:

Sure, but there’s also a luck part. The luck part is RBG dying right before the election. If that doesn’t happen, Roberts writes a 5-4 decision which upholds the Mississippi law but doesn’t overturn Roe. 

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It's been said many times but she should have retired when Obama could have picked her replacement. Which makes me wonder if the Republicans get back in the White House and control the Senate in 24,  do Alito and Thomas, who will be in their mid and late 70s by then, retire and get replaced by like minded judges that will be 20-25 years younger?

steeler6 said:

It's been said many times but she should have retired when Obama could have picked her replacement. Which makes me wonder if the Republicans get back in the White House and control the Senate in 24,  do Alito and Thomas, who will be in their mid and late 70s by then, retire and get replaced by like minded judges that will be 20-25 years younger?

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I think so. 

steeler6 said:

It's been said many times but she should have retired when Obama could have picked her replacement. Which makes me wonder if the Republicans get back in the White House and control the Senate in 24,  do Alito and Thomas, who will be in their mid and late 70s by then, retire and get replaced by like minded judges that will be 20-25 years younger?

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And sadly that will be her legacy as much as the decisions and opinions she authored. She was in poor health and knew it yet refused to retire when she should have. 

Desert_Power said:

Apparently you can. Awful.

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VIDEO: Third Presidential Debate Highlights  Trump, Clinton on Abortion Oct 19, 2016 ABC News

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton discuss Roe v. Wade and a woman's right to abortion in the Third Presidential Debate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NfdRmnT0Weo

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Trump makes it clear in his debate with Hillary Clinton in 2016

1) He hoped to appoint 2-3 new SCOTUS Justices during his first POTUS term if he won. He said what he wanted and when he had the opportunity, he did exactly that.

2) He said he would appoint Pro Life leaning Justices to SCOTUS. Again, he said what he wanted and what he planned to do, and when he had that opportunity, he continued to keep his word.

3) He said he wanted a pathway where the states themselves would make their own respective decisions regarding abortion rights. While Trump is not in office now, because of #1 and #2, that's looking like it might end up the way he wanted.

4) A major concern of Trump was abortions "up until the moment of birth" or late stage/late term abortions. That's a major issue now regarding this fight over Roe Vs Wade and HR3755.

Trump made it clear on his positions. There wasn't some double talk or being coy about it. He was straight up. And a large number of white women voters, including suburban women voters, across both college educated and non college educated alike, heard that and still voted for him over Hillary Clinton.

A lot of those women voters picked an exhausting trolling narcissist grifter who was caught paying for sex, cheating on his wife/wives, saying nasty things about women in public instead of making American political history in helping to elected the first woman POTUS ever. Why? Well many probably thought that The Big Cheeto was the lesser of two evils compared to a woman like Clinton who enabled an "alleged" rapist like Cigar Probing Bill  and was caught laughing about a 12 year old girl being raped.

Big surprise here - If you defend rapists who abuse and torture a 12 year old little girl, then shout at working class people that they are all a bunch of "deplorables" for hating you for it, lots of suburban women voters will cast their ballots for someone else.

Had Clinton won 2016 POTUS, instead of Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and Coney Barrett, it could have easily been Diana Wood, Carlos Moreno, Leah Sears, or Jennifer Granholm instead. ( I'm not saying all of them would have survived hard vetting prior to nomination and there was the ugly participation of Ron Klain in the selection process for both Sotomayor and Kagan, which lends to the rumors that Obama was swayed by dark money interests in his eventual choices)

Obviously the timing of certain SCOTUS retirements and the makeup of the majorities in Congress could have also been in flux, so there's push/pull there. But there's no denying that if you want to have a long term impact on SCOTUS, then your Party needs to win POTUS as many times as possible.

So yes, if fewer American women voters despised Hillary Clinton and Clinton had managed to curate even a shred of a likeable humble charismatic populist image, there's a decent chance that Roe V Wade wouldn't be sitting on the edge of this current firestorm right now.

squistion said:

So Hillary Clinton is responsible for destroying Roe v Wade?

You can't make this stuff up. 

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Direct Headline: For the fall of Roe v. Wade, thank Donald Trump

Overturning Roe v. Wade has been the overarching, seemingly impossible goal of the pro-life movement for almost five decades. Now that it has finally been achieved, four words should be on the lips of every pro-life conservative today: Thank you, Donald Trump....

...Every Republican president before Trump failed miserably when it came to Supreme Court picks. In 1970, Richard M. Nixon nominated Harry A. Blackmun, who would go on to be the ignominious author of Roe. Gerald Ford picked only one justice, John Paul Stevens, who became the leader of the court’s liberal bloc. Ronald Reagan had three appointees (Sandra Day O’Connor, Antonin Scalia and Anthony M. Kennedy), but only Scalia was a consistent conservative vote on the court. George H.W. Bush named one brilliant conservative (Clarence Thomas) and one catastrophic liberal (David Souter). George W. Bush selected Samuel A. Alito Jr., a marvelous conservative intellect who wrote the decision overturning Roe. But Bush also gave us John G. Roberts Jr., who promised to be an impartial umpire but instead has repeatedly legislated from the bench — siding with the court’s liberal bloc on a string of cases, including saving Obamacare, preserving the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, and striking down state laws that required hospitals to extend admitting privileges for doctors who perform abortions....

But Trump broke the mold. His nominations of Neil M. Gorsuch, Brett M. Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett have made him the only Republican president in six decades to have a perfect record in appointing judicial conservatives. His picks have transformed the court: With Gorsuch, he saved its conservative majority. With Kavanaugh, he moved the court to the right by replacing a swing vote, Kennedy, with a reliable conservative. And with Barrett, he gave the conservative bloc the five votes they need to prevail without the vacillating chief justice....No doubt, Roberts would have found some Solomonic middle way to uphold Mississippi’s abortion law without overturning Roe and the 1992 case that upheld it, Planned Parenthood v. Casey. But thanks to Trump, Roberts was powerless. All three Trump appointees voted to strike down Roe and Casey — declaring that, (like Plessy v. Ferguson, the 1896 case that upheld racial segregation), these decisions were so egregiously wrong that they had to be overturned....

....Trump’s appointments have effectively turned the Roberts Court into the Thomas Court. Whenever Roberts votes with the liberal bloc, Thomas — as the most senior associate justice — gets to assign the majority opinion. In Dobbs, he gave that responsibility to Alito, with brilliant effect.....Democrats have a virtually perfect record in appointing Supreme Court appointments. Their justices never defect to the conservative bloc on important cases. Not so for Republicans — until Trump. With his picks, Trump batted a thousand. And his perfect record will transform the court’s jurisprudence for a generation — with far-reaching consequences not only for unborn life but also religious liberty, free speech, Second Amendment rights, the separation of powers and limited government....

....Trump not only gave us a conservative court majority, he also saved us from an activist liberal majority. Had Hillary Clinton won the 2016 presidential election, she would have nominated a judicial activist to replace Scalia, creating a 5-to-4 liberal majority. Then she would have replaced Ruth Bader Ginsburg and perhaps Stephen G. Breyer, securing those seats for the liberal bloc for decades. Not only would Roe still be standing today, but the activist liberal court that Clinton would have ushered in would have done breathtaking damage. It is thanks to Trump that this never happened.....No, this doesn’t forgive Trump’s behavior after the 2020 election. But knowing what I know now, am I grateful for Trump’s four years in office? You bet I am. Millions of precious unborn lives will be saved as a result of this decision. And Trump made it possible...

....I hope he does not run again in 2024. But I’m sure glad he ran and won in 2016. Whatever else history says about him, he’s secured his place as the most consequential president when it comes to the Supreme Court — and our greatest pro-life president as well.....

By Marc A. Thiessen June 24, 2022 at 10:26 a.m. EDT

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/06/24/roe-v-wade-abortion-overturned-trump-supreme-court-appointments/

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The Washington Post, yes that Washington Post, thanks Donald Trump and calls him the "greatest Pro Life President"

The article also discusses none of those would have happened unless Hillary Clinton lost. And as I stated in the original post, the toxic rape narrative around Clinton was part of the dismay that caused many voters to sit out the 2016 general cycle and cost her enough votes so she could not win.

Without Clinton losing 2016, and much of that was self inflicted ( Pick a scandal, any of them to be honest - Benghazi, the private email server, the enemies the Clintons made while in the White House, Bill's rape accusations, etc, etc) , the article also points out the reality the new SCOTUS normal would have never happened. I.E. a "Thomas Court" instead of a "Roberts Court"

"If Biden gets in, you're going to have a recession the likes of which you've never seen. You'll be lucky if you even have a country left"   - President Donald Trump, July 2020

"If Biden gets elected you'll be paying $7, $8, $9 for gasoline. Then they'd say, "get rid of your car." - President Donald Trump, Nov. 2nd 2020

"If Biden is elected, the stock market will crash." - President Donald Trump, Oct. 22, 2020

People can criticize Donald Trump all they like, but he said he would pick the SCOTUS Justices to overturn Roe if he could, and he did. He delivered. Obama promised to codify Roe into federal law, lied about it and did nothing.

Trump has a habit, much to the chagrin of many establishment Democrats and the radical left, of being right about a lot of things. Everything? No, certainly not. But to pretend he didn't deliver on key specific issues is not rational political discourse.

Donald Trump changed the future of all law in this country moving forward. People can argue about the good or bad of it, but the impact is undeniable. And it happened because Hillary lost 2016. If you observe Clinton, all her public interactions are not that Trump won, but that she lost and the election was hers to win and rightfully hers from the beginning.

Guns laws recently changed too. That wouldn't have happened without a Trump 2016 victory and a Clinton 2016 defeat.

Do you have anything to add besides mocking me because it fulfills your tribalism? Anything at all?

We're people calling for RBG to retire when Obama was president? 

I don't remember that being a very popular position. Pretty sure most people assumed Hillary would win and that wasn't really on the radar. 

GordonGekko said:

 Do you have anything to add besides mocking me because it fulfills your tribalism? Anything at all?

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I still can't get over the absurdity of your contention that Hillary, representing a defendant in a rape case in 1975 (in which she was appointed to as council) somehow is responsible for destroying Roe v Wade 46 years later. I can't see any connection and it makes no logical sense.  

GordonGekko said:

People can criticize Donald Trump all they like, but he said he would pick the SCOTUS Justices to overturn Roe if he could, and he did. He delivered. Obama promised to codify Roe into federal law, lied about it and did nothing.

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This. 100,000 times this.

GG, I realize that much of what you have to say gets lost in the thicket of links but it is important to pull out this golden nugget.

One side delivered. The other did not.

So all the rage from the left that is currently directed outward toward the right, should instead be directed inward at their own impotent failures at providing for their constituents. The Dems enjoy a 2:1 voter advantage on this issue and still f-ed it up somehow.

Same exact thing with climate change. Dems talk all kinds of promises but in the end deliver absolutely nothing meaningful when given the oppty.

parasaurolophus said:

We're people calling for RBG to retire when Obama was president? 

I don't remember that being a very popular position. Pretty sure most people assumed Hillary would win and that wasn't really on the radar. 

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This is exactly what happened. I remember listening to a few local political shows that had election experts on and not one gave Trump any chance to win. They didn't see a path to 270 with what the polls were showing. I remember see Elizabeth Warren on my local TV station on Election Day saying after today Trump will be irrelevant and laughing about it. 

There are so many things at play, you certainly can't give any one person the bulk of the credit/blame depending on how you look at it. 

That being said, I realize Trump is declaring the victory to be his.  I think if you were going to say 1 individual Republican gets the most credit/blame, it's Mitch McConnell.  He prevented Merrick Garland from being appointed.  He kept the Republicans together during impeachment, which allowed Trump to remain in office until the unfortunate passing of RBG.  He then rushed the ACB appointment through 100 miles an hour.  

I know a lot of people hate the guy.  But this was the GOP Holy Grail.  And I think history will remember him as one of the most influential Republicans of all time.