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Key Voting Block Loss : Biden’s Support Among Latinos/Hispanics Collapses (4/14/22 7:44 PST) (1 Viewer)

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Direct Headline: Biden’s Support Among Hispanics Collapses, Spelling ‘Nightmare Scenario’ For Democrats

The poll found that only 26% of Hispanic voters approve of Biden’s job performance, standing significantly lower than the president’s 31% of white and 63% of black approval. Meanwhile, Biden holds a 54% of Hispanic disapproval rating, while 59% of white and 25% of black respondents said they disapprove. A staggering 41% of Hispanic voters said they “strongly disapprove” of the president’s job handling, while only 12% of respondents said they “strongly approve.”

Nicole Silverio April 13, 2022 6:58 PM

https://dailycaller.com/2022/04/13/quinnipiac-poll-biden-support-hispanics-collapses/

POLLING: 74% Of Americans Think Worst Of War In Ukraine Is Yet To Come, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; More Than 8 In 10 Think Vladimir Putin Is A War Criminal

Quinnipiac April 13, 2022

https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3843

POLLING: For Latino Americans, the U.S. offers opportunity but also discrimination

Compared to December, Latino Americans are increasingly concerned about inflation or supply chain issues (34% vs. 22%), and foreign conflicts (23% vs 5%). At the same time, they are less concerned about COVID-19 (21% vs. 37%). Concerns over inflation has increased across party lines, though is most pronounced among Republican Latinos (up to 52% from 33%)... “Getting prices under control is very clearly the number one priority for the majority of Hispanics and Latinos, and it underscores the challenges Biden is facing now,” Ipsos pollster and senior vice president Chris Jackson told Axios.

IPOSOS 29 March 2022

https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/news-polls/Axios-Latino-Poll-Opportunity

https://dailycaller.com/2022/03/25/poll-hispanic-latino-voters-democrats/

Direct Headline: AOC says the idea that 'we're not Trump' is enough for Democrats to win elections is 'deeply demoralizing'

In an interview with The New York Times that was published Sunday, the New York congresswoman said Democrats could be in trouble if they don't deliver on the promises made to constituents..."The talking points are not enough," she said. "You've got to give me something to work with, with my communities. And if you're not, how can I make the argument that they should turn out again?"...Ocasio-Cortez added voter turnout will suffer if Democrats make promises they don't keep...

Kelsey Vlamis November 21, 2021

https://news.yahoo.com/aoc-says-idea-were-not-022844148.html

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Analysis: The Democratic Party cannot afford to lose the Latino/Hispanic vote in the Mid Terms and the 2024 general cycle. And it appears the risk is not just the coming elections, but long term legacy votes as well. The general risk with working class minority voters is that their children will dogmatically adopt the voting patterns/political ideology of their parents. This has an exponential risk in the Latino/Hispanic community as the culture is very family oriented/family centric.

Limousine Liberals can't win elections all by themselves. AOC made the point earlier, and she was right, and she was implying the working class minority votes and young voters, that you can't ignore the rank and file masses who voted for you, laugh away at the promises you made and then you ignore what they want and need.

This issue is a big deal for coming elections. It's being shaded down in the activist complicit MSM because there is no ready solution for any of it. The "culture war" talk and rhetoric is only going to go so far. People care about what they see at the gas pump. At the grocery store. What happens with their children and the school system. If the streets are safe or not. For many people who are a paycheck and a half away from being homeless, they don't give a single damn about some culture war propaganda being thrown at them.

I'll leave this here for others to discuss.

 
AOC is right about one thing. You can't just be "we're not Trump". That's BS. Have a platform, tout your programs and successes. That's something Democrats actually have, a platform, suggested improvements. Leverage that.

Democrats are absolutely woeful at messaging and they are going to pay the price. Consistent, simple messaging is something Republicans have in spades and it is paying off, despite offering few to no actual solutions. 

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
AOC is right about one thing. You can't just be "we're not Trump". That's BS. Have a platform, tout your programs and successes. That's something Democrats actually have, a platform, suggested improvements. Leverage that.

Democrats are absolutely woeful at messaging and they are going to pay the price. Consistent, simple messaging is something Republicans have in spades and it is paying off, despite offering few to no actual solutions. 
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“We control social media, big business, education, mainstream media and entertainment. It’s our messaging that’s terrible and not our ideas.”

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
AOC is right about one thing. You can't just be "we're not Trump". That's BS. Have a platform, tout your programs and successes. That's something Democrats actually have, a platform, suggested improvements. Leverage that.

Democrats are absolutely woeful at messaging and they are going to pay the price. Consistent, simple messaging is something Republicans have in spades and it is paying off, despite offering few to no actual solutions. 
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Philo Beddoe said:
“We control social media, big business, education, mainstream media and entertainment. It’s our messaging that’s terrible and not our ideas.”
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Excellent example of the bolded. Repeat something enough times and it has to be true. 

 
Yes Latinos are upset about inflation (we all are.) And they’re going to vote Republican in big numbers in November as a result. Gonna be ugly for Democrats. 
 

But as soon as Latinos realize that Republicans have no answers for inflation either, and only want to shut down our southern border and blame illegal immigrants for all of our problems, Latinos will go right back to the Democrats again. 

 
timschochet said:
Yes Latinos are upset about inflation (we all are.) And they’re going to vote Republican in big numbers in November as a result. Gonna be ugly for Democrats. 
 

But as soon as Latinos realize that Republicans have no answers for inflation either, and only want to shut down our southern border and blame illegal immigrants for all of our problems, Latinos will go right back to the Democrats again. 
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Sorry, but that is spin...this shift started before inflation became a major concern...there are cultural concerns as the dems go further left...here are three articles from left-wing sources:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/politics/biden-hispanic-voters-democrats-problem/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/05/latinos-are-not-lock-democrats-heres-why/

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/why-democrats-are-losing-ground-with-hispanic-voters.html

 
Boston said:
Sorry, but that is spin...this shift started before inflation became a major concern...there are cultural concerns as the dems go further left...here are three articles from left-wing sources:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/09/politics/biden-hispanic-voters-democrats-problem/index.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/08/05/latinos-are-not-lock-democrats-heres-why/

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/12/why-democrats-are-losing-ground-with-hispanic-voters.html
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I agree with you. There was a shift before and it showed up in the last election. Still though a majority favored Biden. If they don’t anymore it’s because of inflation. 

 
Boston said:
I think you underestimate the cultural issues.
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I think you underestimate the immigration issues. 
Hispanics are culturally conservative, like most blacks as well. They SHOULD vote Republican.the main reason they don’t is because Republicans are obsessed with illegal immigration. Take away that issue and you’ll have a majority of Latinos voting red pretty permanently. 

 
timschochet said:
I think you underestimate the immigration issues. 
Hispanics are culturally conservative, like most blacks as well. They SHOULD vote Republican.the main reason they don’t is because Republicans are obsessed with illegal immigration. Take away that issue and you’ll have a majority of Latinos voting red pretty permanently. 
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I don't think you are correct in your assessment. At all. Blacks are culturally conservative, but the history of slavery, Jim Crow, and then the CRA of '64 make them highly suspicious of anyone, and especially Republicans, who seem to not want to interact with blacks throughout American history. 

Latinos have no watershed moment like the CRA of '64. I have extended family with illegals. The voters and legal ones do not like illegals, as conflicted as that may be with the traditional Latino strong family ties. Latinos see Democrats on the wrong side of almost every cultural issue, and the claim that they can't even define what a man or woman is resonates really strongly. Like really strongly. They're so put off by that, you wouldn't believe it. They hate the term "Latinx." Hate it in polls, hate it in droves. 

They appreciate that the Republican Party has opposed socialism in America and Central and South America. Don't forget, these are the cast-offs of those regimes. Those socialist regimes that failed and jailed. They hate them. They hate your policies and proscriptions. They hate your foreign policy. 

This is a natural alliance. If Republicans were not so nativist, the numbers would be even more shocking. 

You're ascribing to them an agenda they no longer have because of positions that you hold in these very pages. 

You're a terrible bellwether, tim. 

 
And don't forget all the money pouring in from right-wing sources to Spanish-speaking news. Oh my God. Follow that money and you'll find your polling, to a degree. Hope this all helps, tim. You've lost them. 

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
AOC is right about one thing. You can't just be "we're not Trump". That's BS. Have a platform, tout your programs and successes. That's something Democrats actually have, a platform, suggested improvements. Leverage that.

Democrats are absolutely woeful at messaging and they are going to pay the price. Consistent, simple messaging is something Republicans have in spades and it is paying off, despite offering few to no actual solutions. 
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Unfortunately I don’t see much a Republican platform outside of no abortion and anti-Biden.  

 
rockaction said:
I don't think you are correct in your assessment. At all. Blacks are culturally conservative, but the history of slavery, Jim Crow, and then the CRA of '64 make them highly suspicious of anyone, and especially Republicans, who seem to not want to interact with blacks throughout American history. 

Latinos have no watershed moment like the CRA of '64. I have extended family with illegals. The voters and legal ones do not like illegals, as conflicted as that may be with the traditional Latino strong family ties. Latinos see Democrats on the wrong side of almost every cultural issue, and the claim that they can't even define what a man or woman is resonates really strongly. Like really strongly. They're so put off by that, you wouldn't believe it. They hate the term "Latinx." Hate it in polls, hate it in droves. 

They appreciate that the Republican Party has opposed socialism in America and Central and South America. Don't forget, these are the cast-offs of those regimes. Those socialist regimes that failed and jailed. They hate them. They hate your policies and proscriptions. They hate your foreign policy. 

This is a natural alliance. If Republicans were not so nativist, the numbers would be even more shocking. 

You're ascribing to them an agenda they no longer have because of positions that you hold in these very pages. 

You're a terrible bellwether, tim. 
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I don’t think we’re disagreeing very much at all. You basically repeated what I wrote. We may not see eye to eye on percentages but in essence I see the same way you do. 
Your comment “If Republicans were not so nativist” is dead on. But they are, unfortunately. 

 
timschochet said:
I don’t think we’re disagreeing very much at all. You basically repeated what I wrote. We may not see eye to eye on percentages but in essence I see the same way you do. 
Your comment “If Republicans were not so nativist” is dead on. But they are, unfortunately. 
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But I made sure to point out that even people's own families are confused about the issue among Latinos. One would think that wasn't so, but the families are huge and extended. It's not like your own brother at the border most times. It's a distant cousin or something like that. 

So you're not really adding that into your own calculus here. 

 
rockaction said:
I don't think you are correct in your assessment. At all. Blacks are culturally conservative, but the history of slavery, Jim Crow, and then the CRA of '64 make them highly suspicious of anyone, and especially Republicans, who seem to not want to interact with blacks throughout American history. 

Latinos have no watershed moment like the CRA of '64. I have extended family with illegals. The voters and legal ones do not like illegals, as conflicted as that may be with the traditional Latino strong family ties. Latinos see Democrats on the wrong side of almost every cultural issue, and the claim that they can't even define what a man or woman is resonates really strongly. Like really strongly. They're so put off by that, you wouldn't believe it. They hate the term "Latinx." Hate it in polls, hate it in droves. 

They appreciate that the Republican Party has opposed socialism in America and Central and South America. Don't forget, these are the cast-offs of those regimes. Those socialist regimes that failed and jailed. They hate them. They hate your policies and proscriptions. They hate your foreign policy. 

This is a natural alliance. If Republicans were not so nativist, the numbers would be even more shocking. 

You're ascribing to them an agenda they no longer have because of positions that you hold in these very pages. 

You're a terrible bellwether, tim. 
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Excellent post...took it to far a different level than I could have.

 
FairWarning said:
Sure but we just had an election of anyone but Trump.
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Right. And now the mood has changed once we saw the alternative. Biden is being run by progressives and people see that. He won only because he was a moderate Democrat. And he's not governing that way, putting a crimp in his bid for a second term. (Not that he could run again at his age effectively.)

 
rockaction said:
But I made sure to point out that even people's own families are confused about the issue among Latinos. One would think that wasn't so, but the families are huge and extended. It's not like your own brother at the border most times. It's a distant cousin or something like that. 

So you're not really adding that into your own calculus here. 
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No I get that. I’ve talked about this with a lot of Latinos as well. I get all sorts of feedback. 
 

People are strange. Just today I was talking to a Muslim guy, good friend of mine, who loves Trump. Did he realize that Trump back in 2016 called for a ban on all Muslims? Sure but so what? “When Trump was President business was good.” So he wants Trump back, business will be good again. 
People are inconsistent. They contradict themselves all the time. They have reasons for doing things that might not make sense to anyone else. 

 
rockaction said:
Right. And now the mood has changed once we saw the alternative. Biden is being run by progressives and people see that. He won only because he was a moderate Democrat. And he's not governing that way, putting a crimp in his bid for a second term. (Not that he could run again at his age effectively.)
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I don’t really agree that he’s not governing as a moderate Democrat. 

 
timschochet said:
I don’t really agree that he’s not governing as a moderate Democrat. 
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Fair enough. I'd say that on Court packing and adding states he's shown quite a bit of restraint in comparison to lefty pundits and progressives, and student loans have been a non-starter, but not much else. He's been pretty progressive. 

 
urbanhack said:
democrats control social media and big business?  lol...okay.
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I mean if your head is buried in the sand you wouldn’t see the meltdown the left is having over Musk flirting with the idea of buying out Twitter. Mark Zuckerberg gave 500 million to Dem districts in swing States to help with vote harvesting. Jeff Bezos owns the Washington Post and Larry Fink owns everything else. Shall I continue?

 
Younger Hispanics won't be culturally conservative in the decades to come. Age demographics are the GOP'S biggest problem in future elections.

 
So this was mentioned in the LGBT thread: is the increased tolerance for trans people among liberals part of the reason for this shift? 
It could well be. I certainly hope not, because there’s nothing that can be done about this, in my estimation. We’re not going backwards as a society. But it could well be a factor. 

 
timschochet said:
So this was mentioned in the LGBT thread: is the increased tolerance for trans people among liberals part of the reason for this shift? 
It could well be. I certainly hope not, because there’s nothing that can be done about this, in my estimation. We’re not going backwards as a society. But it could well be a factor. 
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My guess is it is more about not wanting to have 1st graders talking about sex when their parents aren’t present and stuff along those lines….you tend to look at everything as going backwards when in fact it may be about not having boundaries.

 
Boston said:
My guess is it is more about not wanting to have 1st graders talking about sex when their parents aren’t present and stuff along those lines….you tend to look at everything as going backwards when in fact it may be about not having boundaries.
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One thing the right does very successfully: they find an extreme anecdote, usually very rare, and make a huge deal out of it. Then they propose and sometimes pass laws intended to deal with the rare occurrence, which liberals typically oppose because they’re unnecessary and usually lead to unintended consequences. When the liberals oppose, the trap is sprung: conservatives argue: see? Liberals are for this extreme behavior! They’re all a bunch of extremists! 
 

The scheme works every time. I have no idea how to defeat it. 

 
timschochet said:
One thing the right does very successfully: they find an extreme anecdote, usually very rare, and make a huge deal out of it. Then they propose and sometimes pass laws intended to deal with the rare occurrence, which liberals typically oppose because they’re unnecessary and usually lead to unintended consequences. When the liberals oppose, the trap is sprung: conservatives argue: see? Liberals are for this extreme behavior! They’re all a bunch of extremists! 
 

The scheme works every time. I have no idea how to defeat it. 
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Oh, you mean like calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist, a homophobe or a fascist…that type of stuff?

 
Boston said:
Oh, you mean like calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist, a homophobe or a fascist…that type of stuff?
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I don’t. Because the problem is that when the left tries to do that, it usually fails. What I described actually works

 
Boston said:
My guess is it is more about not wanting to have 1st graders talking about sex when their parents aren’t present and stuff along those lines
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Don't let tim frame that. It's about not being able to define man and woman like the trans activists that have captured the left want you to do. Immigrants from third world countries laugh at that. They find it ridiculous. So do their kids, because they're socialized a certain way. 

Don't let tim's trans looniness shape the debate. It's not "being accepting of trans individuals." It's the trans agenda those immigrants reject whole cloth. 

As do I. That's it. I've had enough of it. Had had enough of it since 2016, when tim didn't even know what they wanted. He still doesn't. He just babbles. 

 
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rockaction said:
Don't let tim frame that. It's about not being able to define man and woman like the trans activists that have captured the left want you to do. Immigrants from third world countries laugh at that. They find it ridiculous. So do their kids, because they're socialized a certain way. 

Don't let tim's trans looniness shape the debate. It's not "being accepting of trans individuals." It's the trans agenda those immigrants reject whole cloth. 

As do I. That's it. I've had enough of it. Had had enough of it since 2016, when tim didn't even know what they wanted. He still doesn't. He just babbles. 
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I may start sending you my ideas and than have you write them…you do an excellent job of cutting thru the BS and getting directly to the point.

 
roadkill1292 said:
Younger Hispanics won't be culturally conservative in the decades to come. Age demographics are the GOP'S biggest problem in future elections.
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Yes they will. Their families are. It's the third generation that won't be, and by then, they'll be supplanted by new immigrants who aren't lazy like the third generation will be. And it's the first and second generations that will vote. 

This is a shibboleth that deserves critique. Because the immigrants will supplant the ossified progressive/leftism you tend to preach. They'll see where they're running from (all progressive socialist garbage without the trans crap) and they'll vote the other way. Ever listen to a Spanish news channel in America? 

Good luck, roadkill1292, this place just got a lot more conservative. 

 
rockaction said:
Don't let tim frame that. It's about not being able to define man and woman like the trans activists that have captured the left want you to do. Immigrants from third world countries laugh at that. They find it ridiculous. So do their kids, because they're socialized a certain way. 

Don't let tim's trans looniness shape the debate. It's not "being accepting of trans individuals." It's the trans agenda those immigrants reject whole cloth. 

As do I. That's it. I've had enough of it. Had had enough of it since 2016, when tim didn't even know what they wanted. He still doesn't. He just babbles. 
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Babble? I mutter. I pontificate. I preen. I don’t babble. 

 
Oh and by the way- in the past I and many others have been accused of being for open immigration as a means to bring more Democratic voters into this country. That was always an absurd accusation, and if the result was ever likely it certainly doesn’t seem so now. 
 

So let me be absolutely clear: if in the future 99% of all Latinos coming here intend to vote Republican, I would still be in favor of open immigration from our southern border. Political outcomes have never had anything to do with my position. 

 
rockaction said:
Don't let tim frame that. It's about not being able to define man and woman like the trans activists that have captured the left want you to do. Immigrants from third world countries laugh at that. They find it ridiculous. So do their kids, because they're socialized a certain way. 

Don't let tim's trans looniness shape the debate. It's not "being accepting of trans individuals." It's the trans agenda those immigrants reject whole cloth. 

As do I. That's it. I've had enough of it. Had had enough of it since 2016, when tim didn't even know what they wanted. He still doesn't. He just babbles. 
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Another great post 👍

 
rockaction said:
You're hurt again by one word, aren't you? 
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I’m not hurt at all. I love you GB. 
 

But I honestly think you’re wrong. Not in your various objections to this or that incident- often you’re quite reasonable. But the insidious plots and patterns that you think you’re seeing all the time- they don’t exist. 

 
timschochet said:
But the insidious plots and patterns that you think you’re seeing all the time- they don’t exist. 
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You're likening somebody who sees very traceable activist goals to someone who defends and believes in something like QAnon. Your labeling is way off-base and not even close. 

I refuse it. 

You're calling for people to call out people as bigots in another thread. I think we're a lot more distant now than ever. That kind of stuff is not helpful, and just makes you a dupe of the leftist activists. 

 
When I say that an organization like BLM has a direct effect on society, and that their goals are Marxist in nature and their adherents espouse Marxist rhetoric, and you tell me I'm finding patterns in things, who to believe? 

BLM themselves and their influence on society or your interpretation of BLM and its influence on society? 

You want it to be your interpretation. 

I find that fallacious. 

The Marxist apple doesn't fall too far from the Marxist tree. 

 
rockaction said:
You're likening somebody who sees very traceable activist goals to someone who defends and believes in something like QAnon. Your labeling is way off-base and not even close. 

I refuse it. 

You're calling for people to call out people as bigots in another thread. I think we're a lot more distant now than ever. That kind of stuff is not helpful, and just makes you a dupe of the leftist activists. 
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I would never compare you to a Qanon person. That’s like suggesting that if you are a rock and roll fan, you must like Nickleback. 
 

Also, I never called for anyone to call out bigots. I don’t think bigotry should be tolerated, and in willing to call them out myself, but I’ve never asked for anyone else to do it. 
 

Im always willing to be a dupe of others if so believe in the cause, so OK. 

 
rockaction said:
When I say that an organization like BLM has a direct effect on society, and that their goals are Marxist in nature and their adherents espouse Marxist rhetoric, and you tell me I'm finding patterns in things, who to believe? 

BLM themselves and their influence on society or your interpretation of BLM and its influence on society? 

You want it to be your interpretation. 

I find that fallacious. 

The Marxist apple doesn't fall too far from the Marxist tree. 
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The key root of our disagreement in terms of the above is your use of the word “adherents”. I believe, very confidently, that 99% of those who are “adherents” of BLM couldn’t tell you the first thing about Marxism even if they were forced to memorize Das Kapital

 
timschochet said:
The key root of our disagreement in terms of the above is your use of the word “adherents”. I believe, very confidently, that 99% of those who are “adherents” of BLM couldn’t tell you the first thing about Marxism even if they were forced to memorize Das Kapital
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They don't actually have to understand Marxism to espouse Marxist rhetoric. That's one of the strengths of rhetoric. You can distill vast sums of boring theoretical text down to very simple, easy to remember phrases like: "Eat the rich".

 
tymarsas said:
They don't actually have to understand Marxism to espouse Marxist rhetoric. That's one of the strengths of rhetoric. You can distill vast sums of boring theoretical text down to very simple, easy to remember phrases like: "Eat the rich".
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OK. But they’re not. 

 
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