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80+ UK Doctors: Failed COVID Policies Caused ‘Massive’ Harm, Especially to Children (1 Viewer)

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130+ UK Doctors: Failed COVID Policies Caused ‘Massive’ Harm, Especially to Children

Children's Health Defense
February 5, 2022 Updated: February 6, 2022

A letter signed by more than 130 UK medical professionals accused UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and other government officials of causing “massive, permanent and unnecessary harm” to the country

A letter to UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson and other UK government officials, signed by more than 130 UK medical professionals, accused the government of mishandling its response to the COVID pandemic, resulting in “massive, permanent and unnecessary harm” to the country.

The letter, “Our Grave Concerns About the Handling of the COVID Pandemic by Governments of the Nations of the UK,” outlined 10 ways in which the authors argued UK government policies not only failed to protect citizens, but in many cases caused additional, unnecessary harm.

The letter’s 10 lead authors wrote:

“We write as concerned doctors, nurses and other allied healthcare professionals with no vested interest in doing so. To the contrary, we face personal risk in relation to our employment for doing so and / or the risk of being personally ‘smeared’ by those who inevitably will not like us speaking out.

The authors accused government officials of failing to measure the harms of lockdown policies, of exaggerating the virus’ threat and of improper mass testing of children.

They wrote:

Repeated testing of children to find asymptomatic cases who are unlikely to spread virus, and treating them like some sort of biohazard is harmful, serves no public health purpose and must stop.

The letter also called out officials for actively suppressing discussion of early treatment using protocols being successfully deployed elsewhere, and said vaccination of the entire adult population should never have been a prerequisite for ending restrictions.

The authors concluded:

“The UK’s approach to COVID has palpably failed. In the apparent desire to protect one vulnerable group — the elderly — the implemented policies have caused widespread collateral and disproportionate harm to many other vulnerable groups, especially children.”

In addition to Johnson, the letter was addressed to Nicola Sturgeon, First Minister for Scotland; Mark Drakeford, First Minister for Wales; Paul Givan, First Minister for Northern Ireland; Sajid Javid, Health Secretary; Chris Whitty, Chief Medical Officer; and Dr. Patrick Vallance, Chief Scientific Officer.

Read the Full Letter:
Dear Sirs and Madam,

Our grave concerns about the handling of the COVID pandemic by Governments of the Nations of the UK.

We write as concerned doctors, nurses, and other allied healthcare professionals with no vested interest in doing so. To the contrary, we face personal risk in relation to our employment for doing so and / or the risk of being personally “smeared” by those who inevitably will not like us speaking out.

We are taking the step of writing this public letter because it has become apparent to us that:

The  Government (by which we mean the UK government and three devolved governments/administrations and associated government advisors and agencies such as the CMOs, CSA, SAGE, MHRA, JCVI, Public Health services, Ofcom etc, hereinafter “you” or the “Government”) have based the handling of the COVID pandemic on flawed assumptions. These have been pointed out to you by numerous individuals and organisations. You have failed to engage in dialogue and show no signs of doing so. You have removed from people fundamental rights and altered the fabric of society with little debate in Parliament. No minister responsible for policy has ever appeared in a proper debate with anyone with opposing views on any mainstream media channel. Despite being aware of alternative medical and scientific viewpoints you have failed to ensure an open and full discussion of the pros and cons of alternative ways of managing the pandemic. The pandemic response policies implemented have caused massive, permanent and unnecessary harm to our nation, and must never be repeated. Only by revealing the complete lack of widespread approval among healthcare professionals of your policies will a wider debate be demanded by the public.
In relation to the above, we wish to draw attention to the following points. Supporting references can be provided upon request.

1. No attempt to measure the harms of lockdown policies
The evidence of disastrous effects of lockdowns on the physical and mental health of the population is there for all to see. The harms are massive, widespread, and long lasting. In particular, the psychological impact on a generation of developing children could be lifelong.

It is for this reason that lockdown policies were never part of any pandemic preparedness plans prior to 2020. In fact, they were expressly not recommended in WHO documents, even for severe respiratory viral pathogens and for that matter neither were border closures, face coverings, and testing of asymptomatic individuals. There has been such an inexplicable absence of consideration of the harms caused by lockdown policy it is difficult to avoid the suspicion that this is willful avoidance.

The introduction of such policies was never accompanied by any sort of risk/benefit analysis. As bad as that is, it is even worse that after the event when plenty of data became available by which the harms could be measured, only perfunctory attention to this aspect of pandemic planning has been afforded. Eminent professionals have repeatedly called for discourse on these health impacts in press-conferences but have been universally ignored.

What is so odd, is that the policies being pursued before mid-March 2020 (self-isolation of the ill and protection of the vulnerable, while otherwise society continued close to normality) were balanced, sensible and reflected the approach established by consensus prior to 2020. No cogent reason was given then for the abrupt change of direction from mid-March 2020 and strikingly none has been put forward at any time since.
2. Institutional nature of COVID
It was actually clear early on from Italian data that COVID (the disease, as opposed to SARS-Cov-2 infection or exposure) was largely a disease of institutions. Care home residents comprised around half of all deaths, despite making up less than 1% of the population. Hospital infections are the major driver of transmission rates as was the case for both SARS1 and MERS.

Transmission was associated with hospital contact in up to 40% of cases in the first wave in Spring 2020 and in 64% in winter 2020/2021.

Severe illness among healthy people below 70 years old did occur (as seen with flu pandemics) but was extremely rare.

Despite this, no early, aggressive and targeted measures were taken to protect care homes; to the contrary, patients were discharged without testing to homes where staff had inadequate PPE, training and information. Many unnecessary deaths were caused as a result. Preparations for this coming winter, including ensuring sufficient capacity and preventative measures such as ventilation solutions, have not been prioritised.
3. The exaggerated nature of the threat
Policy appears to have been directed at systematic exaggeration of the number of deaths which can be attributed to COVID. Testing was designed to find every possible ‘case’ rather than focusing on clinically diagnosed infections and the resulting exaggerated case numbers fed through to the death data with large numbers of people dying ‘with COVID’ and not ‘of COVID’ where the disease was the underlying cause of death.

The policy of publishing a daily death figure meant the figure was based entirely on the PCR test result with no input from treating clinicians. By including all deaths within a time period after a positive test, incidental deaths, with but not due to COVID, were not excluded thereby exaggerating the nature of the threat.

Moreover, in headlines reporting the number of deaths, a categorisation by age was not included. The average age of a COVID-labelled death is 81 for men and 84 for women, higher than the average life expectancy when these people were born.

This is a highly relevant fact in assessing the societal impact of the pandemic. Death in old age is a natural phenomenon. It cannot be said that a disease primarily affecting the elderly is the same as one which affects all ages, and yet the government’s messaging appears designed to make the public think that everyone is at equal risk.

Doctors were asked to complete death certificates in the knowledge that the deceased’s death had already been recorded as a COVID death by the Government. Since it would be virtually impossible to find evidence categorically ruling out COVID as a contributory factor to death, once recorded as a “COVID death” by the government, it was inevitable that it would be included as a cause on the death certificate.

Diagnosing the cause of death is always difficult and the reduction in post mortems will have inevitably resulted in increased inaccuracy. The fact that deaths due to non-COVID causes actually moved into a substantial deficit (compared to average) as COVID-labelled deaths rose (and this was reversed as COVID-labelled deaths fell) is striking evidence of over-attribution of deaths to COVID.

The overall all-cause mortality rate from 2015-2019 was unusually low and yet these figures have been used to compare to 2020 and 2021 mortality figures which has made the increased mortality appear unprecedented. Comparisons with data from earlier years would have demonstrated that the 2020 mortality rate was exceeded in every year prior to 2003 and is unexceptional as a result.

Even now COVID cases and deaths continue to be added to the existing total without proper rigour such that overall totals grow ever larger and exaggerate the threat. No effort has been made to count totals in each winter season separately which is standard practice for every other disease.

You have continued to adopt high-frequency advertising through publishing and broadcast media outlets to add to the impact of “fear messaging”. The cost of this has not been widely published, but government procurement websites reveal it to be immense — hundreds of millions of pounds.

The media and government rhetoric is now moving onto the idea that “Long Covid” is going to cause major morbidity in all age groups including children, without having a discussion of the normality of postviral fatigue which lasts upwards of 6 months. This adds to the public fear of the disease, encouraging vaccination amongst those who are highly unlikely to suffer any adverse effects from COVID.
4. Active suppression of discussion of early treatment using protocols being successfully deployed elsewhere
The harm caused by COVID and our response to it should have meant that advances in prophylaxis and therapeutics for COVID were embraced. However, evidence on successful treatments has been ignored or even actively suppressed.

For example, a study in Oxford published in February 2021 demonstrated that inhaled Budesonide could reduce hospitalisations by 90% in low risk patients and a publication in April 2021 showed that recovery was faster for high risk patients too. However, this important intervention has not been promoted.

Dr. Tess Lawrie, of the Evidence Based Medical Consultancy in Bath, presented a thorough analysis of the prophylactic and therapeutic benefits of Ivermectin to the government in January 2021. More than 24 randomised trials with 3,400 people have demonstrated a 79-91% reduction in infections and a 27-81% reduction in deaths with Ivermectin.

Many doctors are understandably cautious about possible over-interpretation of the available data for the drugs mentioned above and other treatments, although it is to be noted that no such caution seems to have been applied in relation to the treatment of data around the government’s interventions (eg the effectiveness of lockdowns or masks) when used in support of the government’s agenda.

Whatever one’s view on the merits of these repurposed drugs, it is totally unacceptable that doctors who have attempted to merely open discussion about the potential benefits of early treatments for COVID have been heavily and inexplicably censored. Knowing that early treatments which could reduce the risk of requiring hospitalisation might be available would alter the entire view held by many professionals and lay people alike about the threat posed by COVID, and therefore the risk / benefit ratio for vaccination, especially in younger groups.
5. Inappropriate and unethical use of behavioural science to generate unwarranted fear
Propagation of a deliberate fear narrative (confirmed through publicly accessible government documentation) has been disproportionate, harmful and counterproductive. We request that it should cease forthwith.

To give just one example, the government’s face covering policies seem to have been driven by behavioural psychology advice in relation to generating a level of fear necessary for compliance with other policies.

Those policies do not appear to have been driven by reason of infection control, because there is no robust evidence showing that wearing a face covering (particularly cloth or standard surgical masks) is effective against transmission of airborne respiratory pathogens such as SARS-Cov-2.

Several high profile institutions and individuals are aware of this and have advocated against face coverings during this pandemic only inexplicably to reverse their advice on the basis of no scientific justification of which we are aware. On the other hand there is plenty of evidence suggesting that mask wearing can cause multiple harms, both physical and mental.

This has been particularly distressing for the nation’s school children who have been encouraged by government policy and their schools to wear masks for long periods at school.

Finally, the use of face coverings is highly symbolic and thus counterproductive in making people feel safe. Prolonged wearing risks becoming an ingrained safety behaviour, actually preventing people from getting back to normal because they erroneously attribute their safety to the act of mask wearing rather than to the remote risk, for the vast majority of healthy people under 70 years old, of catching the virus and becoming seriously unwell with COVID.
6. Misunderstanding of the ubiquitous nature of mutations of newly emergent viruses
The mutation of any novel virus into newer strains — especially when under selection pressure from abnormal restrictions on mixing and vaccination — is normal, unavoidable and not something to be concerned about. Hundreds of thousands of mutations of the original Wuhan strain have already been identified.

Chasing down every new emergent variant is counterproductive, harmful and totally unnecessary and there is no convincing evidence that any newly identified variant is any more deadly than the original strain.

Mutant strains appear simultaneously in different countries (by way of ‘convergent evolution’) and the closing of national borders in attempts to prevent variants travelling from one country to another serves no significant infection control purpose and should be abandoned.
7. Misunderstanding of asymptomatic spread and its use to promote public compliance with restrictions
It is well-established that asymptomatic spread has never been a major driver of a respiratory disease pandemic and we object to your constant messaging implying this, which should cease forthwith.

Never before have we perverted the centuries-old practice of isolating the ill by instead isolating the healthy. Repeated mandates to healthy, asymptomatic people to self-isolate, especially school children, serves no useful purpose and has only contributed to the widespread harms of such policies. In the vast majority of cases healthy people are healthy and cannot transmit the virus and only sick people with symptoms should be isolated.

The government’s claim that one in three people could have the virus has been shown to be mutually inconsistent with the ONS data on prevalence of disease in society, and the sole effect of this messaging appears to have been to generate fear and promote compliance with government restrictions.

The government’s messaging to ‘act as if you have the virus’ has also been unnecessarily fear-inducing given that healthy people are extremely unlikely to transmit the virus to others.

The PCR test, widely used to determine the existence of ‘cases’, is now indisputably acknowledged to be unable reliably to detect infectiousness. The test cannot discriminate between those in whom the presence of fragments of genetic material partially matching the virus is either incidental (perhaps because of past infection), or is representative of active infection, or is indicative of infectiousness.

Yet, it has been used almost universally without qualification or clinical diagnosis to justify lockdown policies and to quarantine millions of people needlessly at enormous cost to health and well-being and to the country’s economy.

Countries that have removed community restrictions have seen no negative consequences which can be attributed to the easing. Empirical data from many countries demonstrates that the rise and fall in infections is seasonal and not due to restrictions or face coverings.

The reason for reduced impact of each successive wave is that: (1) most people have some level of immunity either through prior immunity or immunity acquired through exposure; (2) as is usual with emergent new viruses, mutation of the virus towards strains causing milder disease appears to have occurred.

Vaccination may also contribute to this although its durability and level of protection against variants is unclear.

The government appears to be talking of “learning to live with COVID” while apparently practicing by stealth a “zero COVID” strategy which is futile and ultimately net-harmful.
8. Mass testing of healthy children
Repeated testing of children to find asymptomatic cases who are unlikely to spread virus, and treating them like some sort of biohazard is harmful, serves no public health purpose and must stop.

During Easter term, an amount equivalent to the cost of building one District General Hospital was spent weekly on testing schoolchildren to find a few thousand positive ‘cases’, none of which was serious as far as we are aware.

Lockdowns are in fact a far greater contributor to child health problems, with record levels of mental illness and soaring levels of non-COVID infections being seen, which some experts consider to be a result of distancing resulting in deconditioning of the immune system.
9. Vaccination of the entire adult population should never have been a prerequisite for ending restrictions
Based merely on early “promising” vaccine data, it is clear that the Government decided in summer 2020 to pursue a policy of viral suppression within the entire population until vaccination was available (which was initially stated to be for the vulnerable only, then later changed — without proper debate or rigorous analysis — to the entire adult population). This decision was taken despite massive harms consequent to continued lockdowns which were either known to you or ought to have been ascertained so as to be considered in the decision making process.

Moreover, a number of principles of good medical practice and previously unimpeachable ethical standards have been breached in relation to the vaccination campaign, meaning that in most cases, whether the consent obtained can be truly regarded as “fully informed” must be in serious doubt:

The use of coercion supported by an unprecedented media campaign to persuade the public to be vaccinated, including threats of discrimination, either supported by the law or encouraged socially, for example in co-operation with social media platforms and dating apps.
The omission of information permitting individuals to make a fully informed choice, especially in relation to the experimental nature of the vaccine agents, extremely low background COVID risk for most people, known occurrence of short-term side-effects and unknown long-term effects.
Finally, we note that the Government is seriously considering the possibility that these vaccines — which have no associated long-term safety data — could be administered to children on the basis that this might provide some degree of protection to adults. We find that notion an appalling and unethical inversion of the long-accepted duty falling on adults to protect children.
10. Over-reliance on modeling while ignoring real-world data
Throughout the pandemic, decisions seem to have been taken utilising unvalidated models produced by groups who have what can only be described as a woeful track record, massively overestimating the impact of several previous pandemics. The decision-making teams appear to have very little clinical input and, as far as is ascertainable, no clinical immunology expertise. Moreover, the assumptions underlying the modeling have never been adjusted to take into account real-world observations in the UK and other countries.

It is an astonishing admission that, when asked whether collateral harms had been considered by SAGE, the answer given was that it was not in their remit — they were simply asked to minimise COVID impact. That might be forgivable if some other advisory group was constantly studying the harms side of the ledger, yet this seems not to have been the case.
Conclusions
The UK’s approach to COVID has palpably failed. In the apparent desire to protect one vulnerable group — the elderly — the implemented policies have caused widespread collateral and disproportionate harm to many other vulnerable groups, especially children. Moreover your policies have failed in any event to prevent the UK from notching up one of the highest reported death rates from COVID in the world.

Now, despite very high vaccination rates and the currently very low COVID death and hospitalisation rates, policy continues to be aimed at maintaining a population handicapped by extreme fear with restrictions on everyday life prolonging and deepening the policy-derived harms.

To give just one example, NHS waiting lists now stand at 5.1m officially, with — according to the previous Health Secretary — a likely further 7m who will require treatment not yet presented. This is unacceptable and must be addressed urgently.

In short, there needs to be a sea change within the Government which must now pay proper attention to those esteemed experts outside its inner circle who are sounding these alarms.

As those involved with healthcare, we are committed to our oath to “first do no harm”, and we can no longer stand by in silence observing policies which have imposed a series of supposed “cures” which are in fact far worse than the disease they are supposed to address.

The signatories of this letter call on you, in Government, without further delay to widen the debate over policy, consult openly with groups of scientists, doctors, psychologists and others who share crucial, scientifically-valid and evidence-based alternative views and to do everything in your power to return the country as rapidly as possible to normality with the minimum of further damage to society.

Yours sincerely,

Dr Jonathan Engler, MB ChB LLB (Hons) DipPharmMed

Professor John A Fairclough, BM BS B Med Sci FRCS FFSEM,  Consultant Surgeon, ran vaccination program for a Polio Outbreak, Past President BOSTA, for Orthopaedic Surgeons, Faculty member FFSEM

Mr. Tony Hinton, MB ChB, FRCS, FRCS(Oto), Consultant Surgeon

Dr. Renee Hoenderkamp, BSc (Hons) MBBS MRCGP, General Practitioner

Dr. Ros Jones, MBBS, MD, FRCPCH, retired consultant paediatrician

Mr. Malcolm Loudon, MB ChB MD FRCSEd FRCS (Gen Surg) MIHM VR

Dr. Geoffrey Maidment, MBBS, MD, FRCP, retired consultant physician

Dr. Alan Mordue, MB ChB, FFPH (ret), Retired Consultant in Public Health Medicine

Mr. Colin Natali, BSc(Hons), MBBS FRCS FRCS(Orth), Consultant Spine Surgeon

Dr. Helen Westwood, MBChB MRCGP DCH DRCOG, General Practitioner


https://www.theepochtimes.com/130-uk-doctors-failed-covid-policies-caused-massive-harm-especially-to-children_4258995.html?utm_source=ai&utm_medium=search

 
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I'm going to need and Official Board CopTM ruling on this.  @sho nuff and @squistion - can we get a ruling?


Ad hominem attacks against me and/or these folks coming in 3... 2... 1...

Dr Jonathan Engler, MB ChB LLB (Hons) DipPharmMed

Professor John A Fairclough, BM BS B Med Sci FRCS FFSEM,  Consultant Surgeon, ran vaccination program for a Polio Outbreak, Past President BOSTA, for Orthopaedic Surgeons, Faculty member FFSEM

Mr. Tony Hinton, MB ChB, FRCS, FRCS(Oto), Consultant Surgeon

Dr. Renee Hoenderkamp, BSc (Hons) MBBS MRCGP, General Practitioner

Dr. Ros Jones, MBBS, MD, FRCPCH, retired consultant paediatrician

Mr. Malcolm Loudon, MB ChB MD FRCSEd FRCS (Gen Surg) MIHM VR

Dr. Geoffrey Maidment, MBBS, MD, FRCP, retired consultant physician

Dr. Alan Mordue, MB ChB, FFPH (ret), Retired Consultant in Public Health Medicine

Mr. Colin Natali, BSc(Hons), MBBS FRCS FRCS(Orth), Consultant Spine Surgeon

Dr. Helen Westwood, MBChB MRCGP DCH DRCOG, General Practitioner

 
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The Epoch Times

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Epoch Times didn't pen the letter. Doctors did. Many of them.

 
You mean like the post above...that you liked?


Nope, I mean like the ones so far we've seen attacking Epoch Times instead of the merits of the article/letter. More of those will be coming soon, I suspect, attacking me and/or the specific doctors that penned that letter - again, rather than discussing the merits of the points they made.

 
Nope, I mean like the ones so far we've seen attacking Epoch Times instead of the merits of the article/letter. More of those will be coming soon, I suspect, attacking me and/or the specific doctors that penned that letter - again, rather than discussing the merits of the points they made.
I certainly did not mean to attack you and I’m sorry if you took it that way.

Its just that The Epoch Times is a low credibility site and people should now that.

 
Sure, but the Epoch Times is a terrible source for information and should be called out as such every time. 
 

nothing personal…


I don't take it personally when you guys attack Epoch Times or whatever source. I do see it often, however, as a deflection from the merits of the actual message embedded. It's good to consider the source. It's bad to blanketly dismiss all messages based on the conduit - especially in a case like this, where the Epoch Times is simply that... The actual source for this information is the long list of doctors who penned and signed that letter.

 
I don't take it personally when you guys attack Epoch Times or whatever source. I do see it often, however, as a deflection from the merits of the actual message embedded. It's good to consider the source. It's bad to blanketly dismiss all messages based on the conduit - especially in a case like this, where the Epoch Times is simply that... The actual source for this information is the long list of doctors who penned and signed that letter.
Cool. I would suggest next time trying to find another, more credible sources to support your thesis, or just site the study itself.

 
ignore all that ... 

770 kids 0-17 have alledgedly died from covid

in 2 years

and most of them were already very sick

covid literally is one of the LEAST things that will kill a kid ... 800 kids die from drowning yearly, 150 from ATV wrecks,  100 die walking to school every year, 15,000-20,000 a year die in car wrecks and tens of thousands injured, 100's die from flu and pneumonia, ....

its baffling to be so fearful of covid when kids literally are almost 99.999% NOT going to get covid bad

 
First, let me state that Covid was awful and even though I am going to speak positive of the Covid lockdowns that does not mean that I think Covid was good.

The lockdowns are directly responsible for the remote working/schooling that was implemented in much of the country. In the fall of 2020 and in early 2021 there was a point that we were responsibly vacationing for a total of 6 out of 12 months. It was great.

This year, now that returned to normal, i still get the benefit of longer vacations. I can extend a vacation for my family by simply staying back at the hotel/cabin, etc and putting in 8 hours of work.

The lockdowns will benefit my kids further when they hit the workforce, by then more companies will have the awesome policy that my company currently implements.

I would argue with anyone that says that lockdowns were bad for our kids future, I see it as the largest positive change to society that we have had in the last 50+years.

 
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I certainly did not mean to attack you and I’m sorry if you took it that way.

Its just that The Epoch Times is a low credibility site and people should now that.


All good. I took your post as an attack on Epoch Times, not me. When I said I suspect ad hominems coming for me, I meant directly towards me. Those haven't happened in this thread yet; hopefully I'll be surprised this time and won't see them.

 
Nope, I mean like the ones so far we've seen attacking Epoch Times instead of the merits of the article/letter. More of those will be coming soon, I suspect, attacking me and/or the specific doctors that penned that letter - again, rather than discussing the merits of the points they made.
So yes…like a post that tagged me with the board cop schtick meant to mock me rather than really honestly discuss any issue.

 
Another open letter from 60+ doctors from last September, which we should all read:

60 British doctors and scientists ask the four UK Chief Medical Officers to “First do no harm” in open letter

Open letter to the CMOs

6th September 2021 – Open letter to:

Professor Chris Whitty – CMO England
Michael McBride – CMO Northern Ireland
Gregor Smith – CMO Scotland
Frank Atherton – CMO Wales

Dear Professor Whitty, Dr McBride, Dr Smith and Dr Atherton,

We are a group of 60 British doctors and scientists who have grave concerns about the balance of risk for Covid-19 vaccination of healthy children.

The JCVI [Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation] in their statement on 19th July, said that ‘any decision on deployment of vaccines must be made on the basis that the benefits of vaccination outweigh the risks to those people who are vaccinated’, placing the safety of the young in a primary position and drawing attention to ‘rare but serious adverse events’: based on a balanced view of the available evidence, they stated clearly that ‘the health benefits in this population are small, and the benefits to the wider population are highly uncertain. At this time, JCVI is of the view that the health benefits of universal vaccination in children and young people below the age of 18 years do not outweigh the potential risks’. Professor Whitty in a press conference earlier in the year had made clear that because of the known though rare side effects of the vaccines and the clear relationship between Covid-19 severity and age, there would be an age below which the balance between benefit and risk would reverse, probably at around 18 years of age. The guidance that children at particularly high risk from COVID-19, such that the benefit was likely to outweigh any risks, would be offered vaccination, seemed a logical position, clarifying the compassionate grounds in the previous JCVI guidance.

We were therefore extremely puzzled when two weeks later, new guidance was issued for the rollout to include healthy 16-17 year-olds but with no new data presented to explain this change in guidance. In a further statement on September 3rd the JCVI have looked again at the safety data and have reiterated that any benefit of vaccination for healthy 12-15s would be marginal and that ‘there is considerable uncertainty regarding the magnitude of the potential harms.

We note that the Israeli data show a myocarditis risk to young men aged 20-24 after the 2nd dose of Pfizer at 1 in 10,463, rising to 1 in 6,230 for 16-19s. It is therefore particularly concerning that while the 16-17s are only being offered one dose in the first instance (presumably out of concern for this risk), all 18-25s are continuing to be offered a second dose. A recent report of 63 cases of vaccination-associated myocarditis in under 21s from the US, showed significant abnormalities on Cardiac Magnetic Resonance imaging, noted to be more severe than that seen previously in children with MISC-C. There is no long-term follow-up available on these children. Aside from the risks of myocarditis, there are also reports of microvascular clotting following mRNA vaccines, raising the possibility of pulmonary hypertension in future and no long-term safety data, particularly regarding autoimmune disease, carcinogenesis and any possible effects on future fertility.

The decision has now been passed to you, the four CMOs, to consider the impact on wider society and on disruption to education. Recent data has been published by both PHE and the CDC showing that viral loads / transmission rates are similar between vaccinated or unvaccinated individuals, making any consideration of societal benefits fruitless. We also now know that naturally acquired immunity gives broader and better lasting protection than that afforded by vaccination. Vaccines are not required to prevent the educational disruption of school closures and/or isolation of healthy contacts, measures which have already been safely discontinued since 16th August. This would be using vaccination for political rather than health reasons.

We would ask that the CMOs remember the principle of First do no Harm.

Yours sincerely,

Dr Rosamond Jones, MBBS, MD, FRCPCH, retired consultant paediatrician
Professor Anthony J Brookes, Department of Genetics & Genome Biology, University of Leicester
Professor Richard Ennos, MA, PhD. Honorary Professorial Fellow, University of Edinburgh
Professor Karol Sikora, MA, MBBChir, PhD, FRCR, FRCP, FFPM, Dean of Medicine, Buckingham University, Professor of Oncology
Professor David Livermore, BSc, PhD, Professor of Medical Microbiology, University of East Anglia
Professor Keith Willison, PhD, Professor of Chemical Biology, Imperial, London
Professor Angus Dalgleish, MD, FRCP, FRACP, FRCPath, FMed Sci, Professor of Oncology, St Georges Hospital, London
Professor John Fairclough FRCS FFSEM retired Honorary Consultant Surgeon
Professor Norman Fenton, CEng, CMath, PhD, FBCS, MIET, Professor of Risk Information Management, Queen Mary University of London
Professor John Watkins, Consultant Epidemiologist Cardiff University
Lord Moonie, MBChB, MRCPsych, MFCM, MSc, House of Lords, former parliamentary under-
secretary of state 2001-2003, former consultant in Public Health Medicine
Dr Theresa Lawrie, MBBCh, PhD, Director, Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy Ltd, Bath
Dr Roland Salmon, MB BS, MRCGP, FFPH, Consultant Epidemiologist (retired), former Director, Communicable Disease Surveillance Centre (Wales)
Dr Alan Mordue, MBChB, FFPH. Retired Consultant in Public Health Medicine & Epidemiology
Dr John Flack, BPharm, PhD. Retired Director of Safety Evaluation,Beecham Pharmaceuticals 1980-1989 and Senior Vice-president for Drug Discovery 1990-92 SmithKline Beecham
Dr Gerry Quinn, PhD. Postdoctoral researcher in microbiology and immunology
Dr Karen Horridge, MBChB(Hons), MSc, MRCP, FRCPCH, Consultant Paediatrician (Disability)
Mr Anthony Hinton, MBChB, FRCS, Consultant ENT surgeon, London
Dr Geoffrey Maidment, MBBS, MD, FRCP, retired consultant physician
Mr Malcolm Loudon, MBChB, MD, FRCSEd, FRCS(Gen Surg), MIHM,VR, Consultant Surgeon
Dr Christina Peers, MBBS,DRCOG,DFSRH,FFSRH, Consultant in Reproductive Health
Dr Noel Thomas, MA, MBChB, DCH, DObsRCOG, DTM&H, MFHom, retired doctor
Dr Elizabeth Evans MA(Cantab), MBBS, DRCOG, Retired Doctor
Katherine MacGilchrist, BSc (Hons), MSc, CEO/Systematic Review Director, Epidemica Ltd.
Dr Greta Mushet, MBChB, MRCPsych, retired Consultant Psychiatrist in Psychotherapy
Mr James Royle, MBChB, FRCS, MMedEd, Colorectal surgeon
Mr Ian F Comaish, MA, BM BCh, FRCOphth, FRANZCO, Consultant ophthalmologist
Dr Helen Westwood MBChB MRCGP DCH DRCOG, General Practitioner
Dr Jonathan Engler, MBChB, LlB (hons), DipPharmMed
Dr Renée Hoenderkampf, General Practitioner
Mr Colin Natali, BSc(hons) MBBS, FRCS (orth) ,Consultant Spinal Surgeon
Dr Alan Black, MBBS, MSc, DipPharmMed, retired pharmaceutical physician
Dr Mark A Bell, MBChB, MRCP(UK), FRCEM, Consultant in Emergency Medicine
Dr Livia Tossici-Bolt, PhD, NHS Clinical Scientist
Dr Zac Cox, BDS, LCPH, Holistic Dentist, Homeopath
Dr M, BSc(Hons) Medical Microbiology & Immunobiology, MBBCh BAO, MSc in Clinical Gerontology, MRCP(UK), FRCEM, FRCP(Edinburgh), NHS Emergency Medicine & geriatrics
Dr Branko Latinkic, BSc, PhD, Reader in Biosciences
Dr Kulvinder Singh Manik, MBBS, General Practitioner
Dr Michael D Bell, MBChB, MRCGP, retired General Practitioner
Dr Jason Lester, MRCP, FRCR, Consultant Clinical Oncologist, Rutherford Cancer Centre, Newport
Dr Clare Craig, BMBCh, FRCPath, Pathologist
Dr Scott McLachan, FAIDH, MCSE, MCT, DSysEng, LLM, MPhil, Postdoctoral researcher, Risk & Information Group
Dr Franziska Meuschel, MD, ND, PhD, LFHom, BSEM, Nutritional, Environmental and Integrated Medicine
Dr Emma Brierly, MRCGP, General Practitioner
Dr Sarah Myhill, MBBS, Dip NM, Retired GP, Independent Naturopathic Physician
Michael Cockayne, MSc, PGDip, SCPHNOH, BA, RN, Occupational health practitioner
Dr Christopher Exley, PhD, FRSB, retired professor in Bioinorganic Chemistry

and 25 others….


https://www.covid19assembly.org/2021/09/60-british-doctors-and-scientists-ask-the-four-uk-chief-medical-officers-to-first-do-no-harm-in-open-letter-about-the-vaccination-of-11-15-year-olds/

 
The Epoch Times

Questionable Reasoning: Conspiracy Theories, Pseudoscience, Propaganda, Fake News, Failed Fact Checks

Bias Rating: RIGHT

Factual Reporting: MIXED

Country: USA (44/180 Press Freedom)

Media Type: Newspaper
Traffic/Popularity: High Traffic

MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY
Can we knock this #### off please?  I don’t report people but if I did it would be for crap like this.  It adds no value whatsoever to the discussion, and it seems solely intended to destroy a topic.

 
First, let me state that Covid was awful and even though I am going to speak positive of the Covid lockdowns that does not mean that I think Covid was good.

The lockdowns are directly responsible for the remote working/schooling that was implemented in much of the country. In the fall of 2020 and in early 2021 there was a point that we were responsibly vacationing for a total of 6 out of 12 months. It was great.

This year, now that returned to normal, i still get the benefit of longer vacations. I can extend a vacation for my family by simply staying back at the hotel/cabin, etc and putting in 8 hours of work.

The lockdowns will benefit my kids further when they hit the workforce, by then more companies will have the awesome policy that my company currently implements.

I would argue with anyone that says that lockdowns were bad for our kids future, I see it as the largest positive change to society that we have had in the last 50+years.
You know what will soon follow - the inner-city kids couldn’t travel.  In fact we have this little nugget from one of my favorite punching bags - Mayor Lightfoot.  She blames carjackings on remote learning.  https://abc7chicago.com/chicago-carjacking-lori-lightfoot-carjackings-ctu/11548366/

 
Can we knock this #### off please?  I don’t report people but if I did it would be for crap like this.  It adds no value whatsoever to the discussion, and it seems solely intended to destroy a topic.
I will not knock it off, but you are welcome to use the ignore function if having low credibility sources called out for what they are offends you.

Calling out questionable sources broadens a topic for more legitimate discussion.

 
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So, of the signatories, 47 are not doctors, being nurses, midwives, "school nurse supporter", and paramedics.

None of the doctors are infectious disease specialists, a lot of general practitioners.

 
So, not the 130+ that you so proudly led with.

Its a contrary opinion.   I am not going to say they are wrong.  But there is northing in this to suggest they know more about it than the UK equivalent of the CDC.


I changed the title. Does it really matter if it's 80+ or 130+ doctors? 

Thank you for admitting the bolded. The main point here isn't to proclaim them absolutely right and the UK govt absolutely wrong. The main point is to hear and consider alternative MEDICAL views - something too many in here simply refuse to do.

 
I changed the title. Does it really matter if it's 80+ or 130+ doctors? 

Thank you for admitting the bolded. The main point here isn't to proclaim them absolutely right and the UK govt absolutely wrong. The main point is to hear and consider alternative MEDICAL views - something too many in here simply refuse to do.


My quibble is that it is presented as a conclusion - rather than an opinion.

I also think you are itching for an argument that really isn't there - I think most people would agree that the entirety of the pandemic, from COVID itself, to the steps taken to mitigate the harm have had a negative impact on most people, not just kids.

What this opinion does not address - what were the alternative solutions, and what were the potential risks to taking those steps?  Its easy to look back and say, knowing what we know now, we should have done something different.  

 
My quibble is that it is presented as a conclusion - rather than an opinion.


I thought the doctors did a good job of mixing in both. The former, where strong evidence exists to draw conclusions.

I also think you are itching for an argument that really isn't there - I think most people would agree that the entirety of the pandemic, from COVID itself, to the steps taken to mitigate the harm have had a negative impact on most people, not just kids.


Where you see an argument, I see conversation and debate - in this case about one of the single most important/impactful moments in our current generation. I think it's great that most people agree about the latter statement you make here, but that's not the main point being made by the doctors. The main point is about identifying the things we did (and/or are still doing) wrong, so that we can learn and alter course going forward, where it makes sense.

What this opinion does not address - what were the alternative solutions, and what were the potential risks to taking those steps?  Its easy to look back and say, knowing what we know now, we should have done something different.  


They allude to alternatives - namely prophylactic and early-treatment protocols; we should always have considered them in tandem with, not as adversaries to the CV vaccines. That was a giant and obvious error, and yet it continues.

But there's way more than that. There were/are a number of arguably-better alternatives to the paths we've taken along leadership, messaging, lockdowns, masks, vaxxes, mandates and more, including arguably the biggest mistake of them all - censorship. It's painful to continually look back and identify errors, but critical in a moment like this to find the best approach forward. We NEED to keep talking about this as a society. Science never settles.

 
Finally, the use of face coverings is highly symbolic and thus counterproductive in making people feel safe. Prolonged wearing risks becoming an ingrained safety behaviour, actually preventing people from getting back to normal because they erroneously attribute their safety to the act of mask wearing rather than to the remote risk, for the vast majority of healthy people under 70 years old, of catching the virus and becoming seriously unwell with COVID.


This is an interesting take. Still wearing the mask regularly - but, the longer we stay in these things, the more harm they seem to do.

 
I will not knock it off, but you are welcome to use the ignore function if having low credibility sources called out for what they are offends you.

Calling out questionable sources broadens a topic for more legitimate discussion.
You call out a source when they quote someone or publish an unverifiable incident - not when they publish a letter whose validity is not being challenged.  This is especially true in an era where we have a mostly liberal media that refuses to cover things like this because it goes against their narrative.  And I don’t want to ignore you.  I want to hear your point of view.

 
You call out a source when they quote someone or publish an unverifiable incident - not when they publish a letter whose validity is not being challenged.  This is especially true in an era where we have a mostly liberal media that refuses to cover things like this because it goes against their narrative.  And I don’t want to ignore you.  I want to hear your point of view.
The letter is certainly being challenged in this very thread, as it should be.

 
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First, L.Fitz - thanks for quoting the article and their points.   I am one of those weirdos that would not have clicked on that link.  

I am not going to go over it line by line of the 10 points here, but my overall impression is that they bring up some good points about the thinking and decisions over the past couple years.   I think one of our bigger mistakes was not being selective with closings, and probably underestimating the harmful effects of school age kids not being in school.   

That said, they seem to be doing the mistake that they complain about in #1 but the opposite way - there is no discussion about the possible benefits of some of the measures.   Too many articles are all or nothing, but it's my opinion that as usual the answer lies closer to the middle.    Ie - it seems like other articles and discussions have also pointed to the benefit of places like bars being closed, but like I said above school kids had some really negative consequences.  

 
So, of the signatories, 47 are not doctors, being nurses, midwives, "school nurse supporter", and paramedics.

None of the doctors are infectious disease specialists, a lot of general practitioners.
This can't be pointed out enough either.  "medical workers" <> doctors <> infectious disease specialists.     Doesn't hurt to get opinions of people on the front like and what their experiences were, but too often I see stuff like this.  

 
And that’s fine.  But the source here didn’t incorrectly publish the exact content of the letter.  By the way, your media source cop here, Media Bias Fact Check, rated Salon.com as “Mostly Factual”.  This is the same Salon.con that just characterized the Republican Party an evil, terrorist organization. 😆. You starting to see what a fool’s errand this is?
Story checks out…

I appreciate you checking multiple sources. I wish more people would.

I think I’ve heard of salon, but I can’t tell you if I’ve been to their site. Always good to be skeptical though.

Truth is, most news sites have warts. 
 

Epoch times has a questionable reputation going back to its founding… I stand by the fact check I posted.

 
They allude to alternatives - namely prophylactic and early-treatment protocols; we should always have considered them in tandem with, not as adversaries to the CV vaccines. That was a giant and obvious error, and yet it continues.


Are there specific prophylactic and early treatment protocols that have been scientifically studied, peer reviewed and by in large accepted by the scientific community as appropriate, but are not being used in clinical settings?

But there's way more than that. There were/are a number of arguably-better alternatives to the paths we've taken along leadership, messaging, lockdowns, masks, vaxxes, mandates and more, including arguably the biggest mistake of them all - censorship. It's painful to continually look back and identify errors, but critical in a moment like this to find the best approach forward. We NEED to keep talking about this as a society. Science never settles.


I think I'd agree with most of your opinion here.  There's plenty of Monday morning arm chair quarterbacking to be had on the entirety of the topic, the biggest of which is how/why did a public health issue turn into a political issue, which in turn horribly divided people against a common enemy.  Both political parties have failed us horribly here.

I personally am anti-mandate, against government censorship, and pro-business deciding what to allow on their platform. Having said that, I also think that pseudo science grifters continue to cause tremendous suffering in the short term. In the long term their behavior is enabling public distrust on topics that largely have a scientific consensus and is giving your average person the delusion they are even vaguely qualified to adequately understand complex scientific topics.

 
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It's like playing wack-a-mole with these fake news sources. One gets debunked and they just move onto the next. With a whole new thread.


Whack are inciting statements like this, in lieu of discussing and debating the subject matter of a thread.

And take in the irony this statement using misinformation to bemoan 'misinformation.' 

 
Letter signed by medical professionals, not just doctors. Which if you count doctors (123.813) and nurses (301,491) in the UK, that would be 425,304 total. If you go with the 130 in the column and not the 80 in the title, that would be 0.03% of medical professionals in the UK. Wouldn't call that many.

And we are just assuming that Epoch Times is telling the truth...

 
So, not the 130+ that you so proudly led with.

Its a contrary opinion.   I am not going to say they are wrong.  But there is northing in this to suggest they know more about it than the UK equivalent of the CDC.


This can't be pointed out enough either.  "medical workers" <> doctors <> infectious disease specialists.     Doesn't hurt to get opinions of people on the front like and what their experiences were, but too often I see stuff like this.  


Aren't you the same guys that didn't say a damn word about the "1000+ doctors wrote a letter to Spotify about misinformation" in the Joe Rogan/Spotify thread?  No one questioned those "doctors" when it turned out that, yeah, not all of them were infectious disease experts either.

You see the problem here?  

 
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Are there specific prophylactic and early treatment protocols that have been scientifically studied, peer reviewed and by in large accepted by the scientific community as appropriate, but are not being used in clinical settings?


Prophylactic and early-treatments have been utilized to great effect since the beginning of the pandemic, but only by certain doctors. Unfortunately, the studies and reviews you want require significant resources from deep-pocketed interested parties - namely Govt or Pharma. Unfortunately, Pharma had no interest and such measures, and somehow they convinced Govt to pursue vaxxes as a single-strategy solution, rather than taking a more holistic approach to prophylaxis/treatment. Even still, studies have been done showing effectiveness of Ivermectin, Vitamin D, Zinc against Covid - just not as robustly as you'd like, given the limited resource application.

And there's a very long list of doctors (most of them publicly silent out of fear) who claim to have been successfully treating Covid patients since the beginning, with ever evolving prophylactic/treatment protocols. You'd think we'd want the medical community actively analyzing and discussing those real world accounts of success instead of suppressing them by implicitly and explicitly threatening doctors who use those protocols.

 

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