Not really. You have a 16 point lead, run a deep out on a 3rd and 1 with 6 minutes left. Then you run a pass play at the opponent's 25 up 8, that leads to a sack. Then you run another pass at the 35 that leads to a holding call, taking you out of FG range when 3 points wins you the game. It's the worst playcalling when it counts ever, Bevill got them to the 2 from behind (and I don't like Bevill) when Shannahan had the game in his back pocket. Atlanta wins that game 98 times out of 100 without Shannahan's clowntown.
AND 2 years earlier you witnessed the previous 'dumbest play call' and learned nothing from it. In fact you basically repeated it...twice. Sorry SF, but you got a moron coming your way who think he's hot #### but he's really dog ####.Not really. You have a 16 point lead, run a deep out on a 3rd and 1 with 6 minutes left. Then you run a pass play at the opponent's 25 up 8, that leads to a sack. Then you run another pass at the 35 that leads to a holding call, taking you out of FG range when 3 points wins you the game. It's the worst playcalling when it counts ever, Bevill got them to the 2 from behind (and I don't like Bevill) when Shannahan had the game in his back pocket. Atlanta wins that game 98 times out of 100 without Shannahan's clowntown.
Pretty much what a Shannahan does. Is there a less respected two-time Super Bowl winner than Mike?AND 2 years earlier you witnessed the previous 'dumbest play call' and learned nothing from it. In fact you basically repeated it...twice. Sorry SF, but you got a moron coming your way who think he's hot #### but he's really dog ####.
No doubt. He will flame out like McDaniels and Todd Haley did.Pretty much what a Shannahan does. Is there a less respected two-time Super Bowl winner than Mike?
Kyle will be back coordinating in two years.
Jesus. That guy needs punched in the face.NFL PLayoff History - teams up 19 or more going into the 4th quarter were 93-0 until tonight.
Kyle is in a class by himself here.
SF front office should sleep great tonight .NFL PLayoff History - teams up 19 or more going into the 4th quarter were 93-0 until tonight.
Kyle is in a class by himself here.
Quinn and Ryan take some heat for not over riding/audibling but it's still the OCs poor play calling that is the root of this disaster.I mean seriously, I complained about Shannahan as it was unfolding in the game thread. You have to run the ball and he has the horses to do just that. It's fine to punt up 16 with 6 minutes left, but ole Kyle had to run a long corner route for no reason at all. Quinn has to call him on that though. You're calling what? No, run it. If we don't make it we punt and they burn it down to 2 minutes even if they get a TD.
Agreed. It's like the two person concept with nuclear codes, except in this case there were three people! Kyle calls the play, Quinn says no we are running it. It Quinn says nothing, as he did, Ryan the league MVP says audible to a run. We are on the 20, run it into the line at worst and go up by 11. Sickening, gllllllll 49ers!Quinn and Ryan take some heat for not over riding/audibling but it's still the OCs poor play calling that is the root of this disaster.
Neither. Questionable calls...sure. However, they aren't the ones who failed to execute.Which one of these clowns takes the crown?
Sorry...can't agree with this. They were killing the Pats all night long running the football and went away from it? Insanity. In fact, I think you could say Shanahan failed to execute.Neither. Questionable calls...sure. However, they aren't the ones who failed to execute.
How often has Matt Ryan overruled his OC? (I think the answer is less than Brady or Peyton, which is part of the reason they are HOF bound and Ryan, despite being mvp, isn't)Yep, Shanahan ####ed it all up. Matt Ryan and Quinn choked under the pressure by not overruling the moron.
As a coach you call the plays which give you the best opportunity to execute well and put you in position to win. It doesn't take a genius to know that running the ball was the smart choice. Eat up some clock, maybe make them use a TO and go for the FG. Even if they don't make the FG it makes it much harder for the Patriots to come back.Neither. Questionable calls...sure. However, they aren't the ones who failed to execute.
That's not right either. Who's going to kneel the ball at that point in the game. Run the ball to get closer and possibly even pick up a first down. That's how you put a game away.On the 23 up 8 with six minutes left. Just take two GD knees, kick the GD field goal and pick up your GD trophy. Morons.
Kneel twice and you risk no turnover and you risk no penalty. The bottom line is if they do it your way or my way, they're SB champions today and not the biggest chokers in SB history.That's not right either. Who's going to kneel the ball at that point in the game. Run the ball to get closer and possibly even pick up a first down. That's how you put a game away.
I know what you're getting at with the kneeling but I can't imagine a team actually doing that, Not with that much time left on the clock.Kneel twice and you risk no turnover and you risk no penalty. The bottom line is if they do it your way or my way, they're SB champions today and not the biggest chokers in SB history.
This is absolutely wrong.Not really. You have a 16 point lead, run a deep out on a 3rd and 1 with 6 minutes left. Then you run a pass play at the opponent's 25 up 8, that leads to a sack. Then you run another pass at the 35 that leads to a holding call, taking you out of FG range when 3 points wins you the game. It's the worst playcalling when it counts ever, Bevill got them to the 2 from behind (and I don't like Bevill) when Shannahan had the game in his back pocket. Atlanta wins that game 98 times out of 100 without Shannahan's clowntown.
This is what I was gong to say. Bevell made one bad call. Kyle made several, I mean they only threw 5 passes after getting up 28-3.Bevell made one call when he need to score. Kyle only had to eat clock and set up a FG (that would've added cushion) and made multiple bad calls.
Agreed.It has to be Shanahan. Hell the Pats themselves almost blew the game in a spot on the goalline where they got cute and should have run and not pass. That fade on 1st and goal at the end of the game was almost picked. No reason not to pound it against a gassed defense. Luckily they got a second chance and ran it on second down.
I think it was a situation, similar to Carroll in the SB and his decision to throw v. run. Trying to out-think/guess NE's coaches. Everyone expected a run so Shanny Jr. decides to throw. Maybe these situations happened all year (I didn't see many ATL games) but they never came back to bite them...?Hawkeye21 said:As a coach you call the plays which give you the best opportunity to execute well and put you in position to win. It doesn't take a genius to know that running the ball was the smart choice. Eat up some clock, maybe make them use a TO and go for the FG. Even if they don't make the FG it makes it much harder for the Patriots to come back.
lol...i realized my typo shortly after I made it but just left it there because it amused me. :-D That said, thanks for the clarification!BusterTBronco said:Mike Shanahan = Skeletor
Kyle Shanahan = Skeleton Jr.
I agree with this but, regarding the Seattle call, it wasn't just the pass call, it was also that it was a pass to the middle of the field right into traffic where bad things are more likely to happen.I say Skeleton, JR had the worst call. The difference to me is that Bevell was behind and trying to score, which necessitates more action and risk taking. It's a bad call for sure the way it worked out but despite our "common sense" statistically M Lynch was NOT a gimme call in that situation. Lynch simply was not unstoppable in that situation and with only 30 seconds left, you could make a case for passing on that particular down. See here for an analysis: https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/02/02/statistically-seahawks-play-call-not-bad-you-think/9Tt9A9avhWuaZGXBlTdTDI/story.html Bottom line -- the Bevell call, while it didn't work out, could at least be defended statistically.
In the case of Kyle, he wasn't under pressure to be aggressive in that situation. He could play conservative and be doing the smart thing. Also, you cannot defend his call statistically. Clearly, most teams in that situation who take the air out of the ball in that situation do in fact win.
I think it's Shanahan and not even close.
Yeah, I agree that was asking for trouble...I don't think it was a GOOD call, just not as BAD as Shanarat, JR.I agree with this but, regarding the Seattle call, it wasn't just the pass call, it was also that it was a pass to the middle of the field right into traffic where bad things are more likely to happen.
The formation was pass only. I was screaming at the TV. There was no threat of a possible run. The RB was in no position to be handed the ball. He was in front and to the right of Ryan. Belicheck had to be laughing when his DC called to go after Ryan since there was no threat to run.I think it was a situation, similar to Carroll in the SB and his decision to throw v. run. Trying to out-think/guess NE's coaches. Everyone expected a run so Shanny Jr. decides to throw. Maybe these situations happened all year (I didn't see many ATL games) but they never came back to bite them...?
That article didn't seem very compelling. Just the fact, IIRC, Lynch had gained at least a yard on 22/24 carries that game. Sounds like some Bostonians trying to act like the Seattle didn't screw the pooch.I say Skeleton, JR had the worst call. The difference to me is that Bevell was behind and trying to score, which necessitates more action and risk taking. It's a bad call for sure the way it worked out but despite our "common sense" statistically M Lynch was NOT a gimme call in that situation. Lynch simply was not unstoppable in that situation and with only 30 seconds left, you could make a case for passing on that particular down. See here for an analysis: https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/02/02/statistically-seahawks-play-call-not-bad-you-think/9Tt9A9avhWuaZGXBlTdTDI/story.html Bottom line -- the Bevell call, while it didn't work out, could at least be defended statistically.
In the case of Kyle, he wasn't under pressure to be aggressive in that situation. He could play conservative and be doing the smart thing. Also, you cannot defend his call statistically. Clearly, most teams in that situation who take the air out of the ball in that situation do in fact win.
I think it's Shanahan and not even close.