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House Democrats hold sit in over gun control (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
What a bunch of children.
timschochet
Footballguy
Wow. Ryan has the power to have them forcibly removed, but he'll never do it. Not sure this has ever happened before.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Didn't they just have a gun control vote last week?
Wait a minute...isn't this an election year? Now I see why.
Wait a minute...isn't this an election year? Now I see why.
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timschochet
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timschochet
Footballguy
This was a total surprise and it removes all attention from Trump's speech as well.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Next will they hold their breath and stamp their feet?
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
Hmmm...seems to me if you want a gun control vote you should, y'know, win the House back. Didn't the Democrats have the House not too long ago? Didn't they pass any gun control bills then? Or at least bring them up for a vote?
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timschochet
Footballguy
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
I don't think so. I think most people will see this as the side show and faux publicity stunt that it is. It will probably barely register with anyone.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
bueno
In a class by himself
Amazing what can surprise you. Were you surprised when the Democrats walked out after the vote to impeach Bill too?
The Commish
Footballguy
JFC
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
If this is it then there's lots of leadership being shown in daycares across America.
timschochet
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
It's dominating the news (except on Fox, where they're predicting Hillary's coming indictment.)
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
This is the stupid #### people pay attention to. It's why our major party choices are Hillary or Donald.
AAAll-Stars
Footballguy
The Democrats shilling on gun control, is by far, Exhibit A that they are secretly a party of morons.
The Democrats went for the assault rifle ban in 94, and got NUKED in 94, then they went all chips in with Sandy Hook in 2012 and then got the biggest blasting they've received in 70 years with the Republicans nuking them in every governorship, house, senate and state.
And now 56% of African-Americans see gun ownership as a good thing and the majority of Americans see assault rifle ownership as ok.
They might as well be working for the Trump campaign at this point. Literally. There is no political logic for this.
The Democrats went for the assault rifle ban in 94, and got NUKED in 94, then they went all chips in with Sandy Hook in 2012 and then got the biggest blasting they've received in 70 years with the Republicans nuking them in every governorship, house, senate and state.
And now 56% of African-Americans see gun ownership as a good thing and the majority of Americans see assault rifle ownership as ok.
They might as well be working for the Trump campaign at this point. Literally. There is no political logic for this.
MaxThreshold
Footballguy
But if FEELS good! That's what counts.
"Part of the Gun Control 40 back in '16" - that might be enough for some low information Democrat voters to think they're really doing something.
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timschochet
Footballguy
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/20/politics/cnn-gun-poll/
But support for specific gun control measures was very strong, with 92% saying they wanted expanded background checks, 87% supporting a ban for felons or people with mental health problems and 85% saying they would ban people on federal watchlists from buying guns. Among Republicans, that number is even higher -- 90% say they favor preventing people on the terror watch list or "no fly" list from buying a gun. That number is at 85% for Democrats.
we're paying attention to polling now? like when 90% favored universal background checks?
timschochet
Footballguy
https://morningconsult.com/2016/06/21/voters-support-gun-control-laws/
But among the voters surveyed, banning assault weapons has wide support. Almost seven in 10 support bans on assault-style weapons and deadly high-capacity ammunition magazines, while a quarter of voters oppose them.
But among the voters surveyed, banning assault weapons has wide support. Almost seven in 10 support bans on assault-style weapons and deadly high-capacity ammunition magazines, while a quarter of voters oppose them.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
where are these stats from?
also, what's the deal with the overuse of "shilling" these days?
timschochet
Footballguy
So as I just demonstrated, everything you just wrote in this post is wrong. In fact, the polling shows the EXACT opposite of what you just wrote. Any comment?
AAAll-Stars
Footballguy
They why is it that every time the Democrats go all in on gun control, they get blasted in the next election? It's like clockwork at this point. These polls are nice, but the only poll that matters are the people who actually vote.
AAAll-Stars
Footballguy
Patrick Bateman
Footballguy
Lots of grouchy old white guys in here per usual.
JerseyToughGuys
Tough Guy
MattFancy
Footballguy
AAAll-Stars
Footballguy
Ya I wheeled out the shilling buzzword a little too much there.
54% of African-Americans see public gun ownership as a good thing. Up a whopping 25% from 29% two years ago.
The gun control argument is over. If the majority of African-Americans support gun ownership, then the Democrats pushing the gun control meme are just going to tank their elections and/or primary themselves out of the game.
AAAll-Stars
Footballguy
sho nuff
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timschochet
Footballguy
Gun ownership and certain moderate gun control measures, such as removing the private sales loophole, are not the same thing. In fact, they have nothing to do with each other.
To answer your larger question, it's true that the vast majority which is on the side of gun control have not chosen to make this issue a priority when it comes to voting, while the NRA crowd has, and that is a major reason why the latter has won in the past. However, this appears to be changing before our eyes. I have a feeling Orlando was the final straw. We'll see.
most people support gun ownership. i support gun ownership. Democrats aren't trying to repeal the 2nd amendment. luckily we've got you here to construct strawmen so nothing ever gets discussed rationally.
SWC
Bromigo
if john lewis would have stayed quiet and played by the rules he would not have made the incredible contributions he did on bloody sunday so to anyone saying this guy is just playing games maybe learn a little history and see that this guy does not play games take that to the bank brohans
The Commish
Footballguy
So, let's have a genuine conversation about this. Let's say the ban is passed....then what? What changes in practical terms?
AAAll-Stars
Footballguy
Do gun rights groups wheel out straw men often? Yes. I agree.
But I'm talking about perception and electoral politics. My African-American support link wasn't a straw man, but showing how perception of the gun rights debate was shifting away from the modern Democrat position.
Also in regard to the strawmen used, I see why gun rights people use them. But they don't do a good job explaining why they use them.
They use them because the people arguing for gun control are insatiable in their desire to limit guns. Often when gun control comes up, it's related to an incident where the gun control laws they argue for would not have done much or anything to stop that related incident. Or they argue for something that is undemocratic and violates due process and the constitution. The strawmen are brought up because gun control people fight with strawmen themselves.
then maybe instead of the "you started it" argument, you point out where its a strawman and not make the problem worse. I'd like 3 things:
1. Bring back the assault weapons ban
2. Universal background checks
3. Close the gun show loophole
Can i say definitively what would change if these were enacted? Of course not. Is there a possibility of a significant net benefit to society? yes. Is there a significant hindrance to society? I don't think so, but i'm open to hearing it.
When you have one side of the debate not even able to entertain the discussion for threat of being primaried by a lobbyist group with unbelievable power, then there's a problem. And yes, that exists on both sides.
timschochet
Footballguy
Well first off, don't forget they are pushing for 3 separate things:
1. An end to the private sales loophole for background checks.
2. Adding suspected terrorists to the list of people who are not allowed to purchase firearms.
3. A ban on assault rifles.
Personally I am in favor of #1 and #2 (though #2 without #1 is meaningless), and I am undecided about #3 though I tend to lean against. To answer your question, I don't know. Obviously it will be harder to purchase assault rifles, as it was during most of the 1990s. Will that in itself reduce (a) gun crime and/or (b) mass shootings of the Newtown type? Again I don't know. It might.
bud29
Footballguy
I think this would've had to happen like 3 days before the election for it to make much of a difference. No progress is going to be made with a
Cjw_55106
Footballguy
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