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DevilintheDetail

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Harbaugh drafted James in the second round, just like he did Kaepernick the year before. They unveiled a lot of innovative plays involving these two during training camp. Now, they'll both be on the field together for the first time.

Gore is old. James is faster and bigger than Hunter. James is also Harbaugh's hand-picked RB. There's a good shot that he's the starter at RB next year.

 
He's yet to be active. I'd love to see him used like Sproles but his teammates have been comparing him to Harvin.

As a CoP back he could have value. If Gore is gone though, can this kid be an every down back?

 
'DevilintheDetail said:
Harbaugh drafted James in the second round, just like he did Kaepernick the year before. They unveiled a lot of innovative plays involving these two during training camp. Now, they'll both be on the field together for the first time.

Gore is old. James is faster and bigger than Hunter. James is also Harbaugh's hand-picked RB. There's a good shot that he's the starter at RB next year.
:rolleyes:
 
'DevilintheDetail said:
Harbaugh drafted James in the second round, just like he did Kaepernick the year before. They unveiled a lot of innovative plays involving these two during training camp. Now, they'll both be on the field together for the first time.

Gore is old. James is faster and bigger than Hunter. James is also Harbaugh's hand-picked RB. There's a good shot that he's the starter at RB next year.
:rolleyes:
I think there is a good shot. Gore is old but has been solid. Harbaugh obviously didn't spend a second round pick on a guy he viewed as a limited, change-of-pace back. If the Kaepernick saga has shown us anything, it is that Harbaugh very likely has big plans for James, even if he's been getting solid production from an older vet ahead of him in the meantime.
 
Gore as an RB >>>>>>> Alex as a QB
Maybe. Alex was pretty good this season. One of the top QBs in the league, at least by passer rating. Gore is also pretty old and not nearly as fast as James. I think Harbaugh is looking to bring more speed to his offense, especially with the running game and particularly with players that can play off Kaepernick well. James should fit that mold well.
 
Harbaugh obviously didn't spend a second round pick on a guy he viewed as a limited, change-of-pace back.
Says who?I see this thrown around a lot. It's completely untrue. Coaches spend high picks on part-time players all the time. Whether it be slot receivers, pass rushing specialists, or change of pace running backs.I like James so I'm not disagreeing that he could be the guy in SF one day, but the notion that a coach won't draft a player in the first few rounds to use them as a specialist is completely overused.
 
'FreeBaGeL said:
Harbaugh obviously didn't spend a second round pick on a guy he viewed as a limited, change-of-pace back.
Says who?I see this thrown around a lot. It's completely untrue. Coaches spend high picks on part-time players all the time. Whether it be slot receivers, pass rushing specialists, or change of pace running backs.I like James so I'm not disagreeing that he could be the guy in SF one day, but the notion that a coach won't draft a player in the first few rounds to use them as a specialist is completely overused.
Not true for RBs. No one is using second round picks on situational, COP RBs. Many teams won't even use first rounders on full, 3-down RBs anymore. Many teams use a slot receiver on their base sets, so that can be a little different, but no, I don't see second rounders being used on limited, COP backs. Maybe 3-4th rounders, but second rounders are too prized for that, really. With a second rounder, you need a player that will be a good starter or a fantastic player when used substantially. Especially at the RB position these days, with how devalued it has become.
 
No one is using second round picks on situational, COP RBs.
Pead, James, Hillman, Wilson were all drafted in the first 3 rounds. The NFL is drafting more specialty players, including RBs, than ever.
I don't think James, Pead, or Wilson were drafted as strictly COP guys. Pead has disappointed, but I think they thought they could get a lead back out of him. Same with Wilson, filling a Barker/Bradshaw lead role. Maybe Hillman, but he was a third rounder, and lots of analysts think he was drafted to be a lead back, eventually.
 
No one is using second round picks on situational, COP RBs.
Pead, James, Hillman, Wilson were all drafted in the first 3 rounds. The NFL is drafting more specialty players, including RBs, than ever.
I don't think James, Pead, or Wilson were drafted as strictly COP guys. Pead has disappointed, but I think they thought they could get a lead back out of him. Same with Wilson, filling a Barker/Bradshaw lead role. Maybe Hillman, but he was a third rounder, and lots of analysts think he was drafted to be a lead back, eventually.
Until these teams come out and say, I guess your guess is as good as mine. But I absolutely think teams are spending valuable picks on game changers who can produce on 10-12 touches a game.
 
'DevilintheDetail said:
Harbaugh drafted James in the second round, just like he did Kaepernick the year before. They unveiled a lot of innovative plays involving these two during training camp. Now, they'll both be on the field together for the first time. Gore is old. James is faster and bigger than Hunter. James is also Harbaugh's hand-picked RB. There's a good shot that he's the starter at RB next year.
Lots of assumptions being made here. :mellow:
 
'DevilintheDetail said:
Harbaugh drafted James in the second round, just like he did Kaepernick the year before. They unveiled a lot of innovative plays involving these two during training camp. Now, they'll both be on the field together for the first time. Gore is old. James is faster and bigger than Hunter. James is also Harbaugh's hand-picked RB. There's a good shot that he's the starter at RB next year.
Lots of assumptions being made here. :mellow:
The only assumptions are that (1) James and Kaepernick will be on the field together now this year and (2) that there is a good shot James is the starter next year. The second one isn't really an assumption.James is faster and, at least, taller than Hunter. That is indisputable. Gore is old, also indisputable. The 49ers did use Kaep and James together in training camp a bunch, also a fact. James is also Harbaugh's hand-picked RB, evidenced by the fact he used a second round pick on him, just like he did with Kaepernick. Any RB drafted that high is hand-picked pretty much by definition.
 
Jewell hampton. remember it.
Sounds like a porn star who made a guest appearance on Good Times.
Coming from a guy named Dickey Moe..seems about right..LOL.Seriously, I am wondering why NO ONE has mentioned this guy. He was pretty danged good at Iowa and tore up his ACLs (yes, both). But lots of players return from ACL injuries these days. Just a name to think about.
 
Jewell hampton. remember it.
Sounds like a porn star who made a guest appearance on Good Times.
Coming from a guy named Dickey Moe..seems about right..LOL.Seriously, I am wondering why NO ONE has mentioned this guy. He was pretty danged good at Iowa and tore up his ACLs (yes, both). But lots of players return from ACL injuries these days. Just a name to think about.
Yea I'd rather have Hampton over James any day.
 
Jewell hampton. remember it.
Man this guy... Sorry - confused my Iowa RBs - Adam Robinson's the one that got suspended. Hampton was fun to watch before he tore up both his knees. Thought for sure he had NFL written all over him. Squatty, thick back with some pretty decent speed.
 
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Little early to be putting Gore out to pasture, isn't it? First of all he's playing at a very high level right now. He's also a great leader and locker-room guy. He'll be starting for the 49ers again next year unless he gets hurt or is a totally different player than he has been in 2012. To think that he's likely to be shoved aside by a dude who can't even make the active roster without injuries hitting is getting waaaaayyyyy ahead of yourself.

 
Little early to be putting Gore out to pasture, isn't it? First of all he's playing at a very high level right now. He's also a great leader and locker-room guy. He'll be starting for the 49ers again next year unless he gets hurt or is a totally different player than he has been in 2012. To think that he's likely to be shoved aside by a dude who can't even make the active roster without injuries hitting is getting waaaaayyyyy ahead of yourself.
That might still happen, yes. Most of that would have been basically true about Alex Smith and Kaepernick a couple of weeks ago. Hunter is gone, probably for good. Jacobs won't be back.
 
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Little early to be putting Gore out to pasture, isn't it? First of all he's playing at a very high level right now. He's also a great leader and locker-room guy. He'll be starting for the 49ers again next year unless he gets hurt or is a totally different player than he has been in 2012. To think that he's likely to be shoved aside by a dude who can't even make the active roster without injuries hitting is getting waaaaayyyyy ahead of yourself.
That might still happen, yes. Most of that would have been basically true about Alex Smith and Kaepernick a couple of weeks ago. Hunter is gone, probably for good. Jacobs won't be back.
:lmao: Really good stuff in here!

 
Little early to be putting Gore out to pasture, isn't it? First of all he's playing at a very high level right now. He's also a great leader and locker-room guy. He'll be starting for the 49ers again next year unless he gets hurt or is a totally different player than he has been in 2012. To think that he's likely to be shoved aside by a dude who can't even make the active roster without injuries hitting is getting waaaaayyyyy ahead of yourself.
That might still happen, yes. Most of that would have been basically true about Alex Smith and Kaepernick a couple of weeks ago. Hunter is gone, probably for good. Jacobs won't be back.
:lmao: Really good stuff in here!
He tore his achilles tendon and is gone for the year. That was a sure career ending injury for a RB until the last couple of years. He probably won't be healed by training camp so, yeah, he probably is gone from the Niners for good. Not sure why that is laughable. Maybe he plays somewhere else again, but probably not for the Niners.
 
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Little early to be putting Gore out to pasture, isn't it? First of all he's playing at a very high level right now. He's also a great leader and locker-room guy. He'll be starting for the 49ers again next year unless he gets hurt or is a totally different player than he has been in 2012. To think that he's likely to be shoved aside by a dude who can't even make the active roster without injuries hitting is getting waaaaayyyyy ahead of yourself.
Running backs usually fall off the cliff at a steep rate. Who saw Tomlinson's decline coming? Better to make a pre-emptive move than to wait after the evidence. Also, the Niners' run-blocking are creating the most Yards before Contact in the league: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/14/32-observations-week-10/ .
 
'DevilintheDetail said:
Harbaugh drafted James in the second round, just like he did Kaepernick the year before. They unveiled a lot of innovative plays involving these two during training camp. Now, they'll both be on the field together for the first time. Gore is old. James is faster and bigger than Hunter. James is also Harbaugh's hand-picked RB. There's a good shot that he's the starter at RB next year.
So many wrongs here to list... LMJ is not bigger then Hunter. They are polar opposite running styles. LMJ is a CoP back with a ceiling of Sproles.
 
Little early to be putting Gore out to pasture, isn't it? First of all he's playing at a very high level right now. He's also a great leader and locker-room guy. He'll be starting for the 49ers again next year unless he gets hurt or is a totally different player than he has been in 2012. To think that he's likely to be shoved aside by a dude who can't even make the active roster without injuries hitting is getting waaaaayyyyy ahead of yourself.
That might still happen, yes. Most of that would have been basically true about Alex Smith and Kaepernick a couple of weeks ago. Hunter is gone, probably for good. Jacobs won't be back.
:lmao: Really good stuff in here!
He tore his achilles tendon and is gone for the year. That was a sure career ending injury for a RB until the last couple of years. He probably won't be healed by training camp so, yeah, he probably is gone from the Niners for good. Not sure why that is laughable. Maybe he plays somewhere else again, but probably not for the Niners.
Omg your so right that Leshore kid looms like crap... and that WR Thomas he sure looks bad too now! Quick the sky is falling on Kendall Hunter theres absolutely NO way he will be right again let alone on SF next year /end sarcasim
 
On a radio interview a couple days ago on KNBR I heard Kevin Lynch, who writes the Niner Insider Blog for SF Gate, say that the reason James has not seen the field is because the Oregon offense is so different from the 49ers' offense that he just isn't ready yet. He's talented and obviously Harbaugh liked him a lot coming out of school... but if what Lynch said is true you might want to temper your expectations for this year, even after the Hunter injury.

And then there's always this interview James did about a month ago. Sure, pick him up in a keeper league (I'm a dynasty owner) but unless he's so dominant that SF just can't keep him off the field (like Aldon Smith last year) then he won't be touching the ball much.

I guess this is a two-fold warning: 1) don't expect many touches this year and 2) don't bail on him at the end of the season because he wasn't getting those touches. They're coming, just not immediately.

 
Little early to be putting Gore out to pasture, isn't it? First of all he's playing at a very high level right now. He's also a great leader and locker-room guy. He'll be starting for the 49ers again next year unless he gets hurt or is a totally different player than he has been in 2012. To think that he's likely to be shoved aside by a dude who can't even make the active roster without injuries hitting is getting waaaaayyyyy ahead of yourself.
That might still happen, yes. Most of that would have been basically true about Alex Smith and Kaepernick a couple of weeks ago. Hunter is gone, probably for good. Jacobs won't be back.
:lmao: Really good stuff in here!
He tore his achilles tendon and is gone for the year. That was a sure career ending injury for a RB until the last couple of years. He probably won't be healed by training camp so, yeah, he probably is gone from the Niners for good. Not sure why that is laughable. Maybe he plays somewhere else again, but probably not for the Niners.
Omg your so right that Leshore kid looms like crap... and that WR Thomas he sure looks bad too now! Quick the sky is falling on Kendall Hunter theres absolutely NO way he will be right again let alone on SF next year /end sarcasim
Not sure what world you live in, but yes, LeShoure does look like crap. 3.8 ypc on that offense is terrible. It would be a travesty if he's still starting next year. Kevin Smith put up 4.7 4.9 ypc last year and Bell is averaging 5.7 ypc this year. I'm not buying the idea that LMJ will be a starter next year, but I will support the notion that Hunter is unlikely to play a major role in 2013.Edit: got my number wrong for Kevin Smith

 
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8 carries in his NFL debut, not bad. Harbaugh trusted him enough to give him a 4th-quarter carry when the game was still in doubt. :thumbup:

 
2nd-year RBs: LaMichael James

Evan Silva

This is Part 8 in my 10-Part Second-Year Running Back Series, using NFL Game Rewind to analyze each sophomore back's rookie-season tape. For the Lamar Miller, David Wilson, Bryce Brown, Vick Ballard, Bernard Pierce, Ronnie Hillman, and Daryl Richardson writeups, click here:

Miller Link.
Wilson Link.
Brown Link.
Ballard Link.
Pierce Link.
Hillman Link.
Richardson Link.

The 49ers used the 61st pick in the 2012 draft on 5-foot-8, 194-pound Oregon back LaMichael James, just over three months after Darren Sproles stung San Francisco for a playoff-record 15 receptions, 189 all-purpose yards, and a touchdown in the 2011 Divisional Round. James was a healthy scratch for 12 straight games to open his rookie season. With Brandon Jacobs waived and Kendall Hunter on injured reserve with a torn Achilles' tendon, James finally broke into the lineup in Week 14.

Serving as Frank Gore's change-of-pace complement, James wound up touching the football just 43 times on offense, including the postseason. He brought back 14 regular season kickoffs, registering a 29.8 yards-per-return clip that would've ranked third in the NFL behind Percy Harvin (35.9) and Jacoby Jones (30.7) had James handled enough kicks to qualify.

James' 2012 offensive usage was limited enough that I incorporated four of his toughest-competition college games (@ LSU, @ Stanford, vs. USC, vs. Wisconsin) into this tape review. Gore turned 30 years old in May, and I want to have a strong feel for whether James is capable of operating as a lead back should the 49ers' starter break down. These were my takeaways after reviewing James' performance in 11 games, and charting all of his NFL rookie-season touches:

James was a classic-case "run bouncer" at Oregon, generating his big plays by stretching runs toward the sideline and utilizing his 4.45 footspeed to outrace defenders to the edge. You could argue the 49ers played to that strength during James' rookie season. I charted all 38 of James' carries, and marked a whopping 65.8 percent of them as "outside" runs. James was most often used on left-end sweeps, running off Joe Staley's backside.

On perimeter plays, James was dangerous only when the 49ers' run blocking was effective enough for him to stick his foot in the ground and cut upfield. He was ineffective when the blocking didn't spring him into space. 17 of James' 43 touches (39.5 percent) gained two yards or fewer. When plays to the outside were well defended, an east-west-moving James became a sitting duck for defenders knifing downhill, prone to lost yards and thoroughly ineffective touches.

It's also possible -- even likely -- that the 49ers used James so sparingly between the tackles because they identified him as a weak inside runner. There were certainly signs of that. He wasn't a strong inside runner at Oregon, and James ran with tentativeness and overt caution between the tackles as a rookie. James demonstrates terrific burst and acceleration when holes are opened -- he's capable of eating up grass quickly with a lane -- but there isn't much physicality and certainly no power to his game.

Both on Oregon and 49ers tape, I noticed James opt to turn out of bounds rather than back upfield when he approached the sideline. He sometimes pinballed off defenders, but otherwise displayed no real tackle-breaking skill. James' overall skill set suggests he would struggle to sustain offense if granted an opportunity play the role of feature back in an NFL rushing attack.

Straight-linish and not particularly elusive other than when using foot quickness to weave through traffic, James lacks explosive lateral movement and came off strictly as an up-field accelerator dependent on his team's blocking. He certainly can't create his own running room with lateral shake. James has some big-play ability simply because he runs fast, but his overall running makeup is quite limited. After a full rookie-year review, I found Rams sophomore back Daryl Richardson (breakdown here) far more impressive than his division rival.

James' NFL sample size obviously remains small after one season, and there is reason to believe he can improve. Based on my impressions of James after this 11-game review, however, I do not expect the 49ers or any other NFL team to ever commit to him as the foundation of their running offense. I think he is what he is, and that's a kickoff returner and change-of-pace back.
 
Faust said:
2nd-year RBs: LaMichael James

Evan Silva

This is Part 8 in my 10-Part Second-Year Running Back Series, using NFL Game Rewind to analyze each sophomore back's rookie-season tape. For the Lamar Miller, David Wilson, Bryce Brown, Vick Ballard, Bernard Pierce, Ronnie Hillman, and Daryl Richardson writeups, click here:

Miller Link.

Wilson Link.

Brown Link.

Ballard Link.

Pierce Link.

Hillman Link.

Richardson Link.

The 49ers used the 61st pick in the 2012 draft on 5-foot-8, 194-pound Oregon back LaMichael James, just over three months after Darren Sproles stung San Francisco for a playoff-record 15 receptions, 189 all-purpose yards, and a touchdown in the 2011 Divisional Round. James was a healthy scratch for 12 straight games to open his rookie season. With Brandon Jacobs waived and Kendall Hunter on injured reserve with a torn Achilles' tendon, James finally broke into the lineup in Week 14.

Serving as Frank Gore's change-of-pace complement, James wound up touching the football just 43 times on offense, including the postseason. He brought back 14 regular season kickoffs, registering a 29.8 yards-per-return clip that would've ranked third in the NFL behind Percy Harvin (35.9) and Jacoby Jones (30.7) had James handled enough kicks to qualify.

James' 2012 offensive usage was limited enough that I incorporated four of his toughest-competition college games (@ LSU, @ Stanford, vs. USC, vs. Wisconsin) into this tape review. Gore turned 30 years old in May, and I want to have a strong feel for whether James is capable of operating as a lead back should the 49ers' starter break down. These were my takeaways after reviewing James' performance in 11 games, and charting all of his NFL rookie-season touches:

James was a classic-case "run bouncer" at Oregon, generating his big plays by stretching runs toward the sideline and utilizing his 4.45 footspeed to outrace defenders to the edge. You could argue the 49ers played to that strength during James' rookie season. I charted all 38 of James' carries, and marked a whopping 65.8 percent of them as "outside" runs. James was most often used on left-end sweeps, running off Joe Staley's backside.

On perimeter plays, James was dangerous only when the 49ers' run blocking was effective enough for him to stick his foot in the ground and cut upfield. He was ineffective when the blocking didn't spring him into space. 17 of James' 43 touches (39.5 percent) gained two yards or fewer. When plays to the outside were well defended, an east-west-moving James became a sitting duck for defenders knifing downhill, prone to lost yards and thoroughly ineffective touches.

It's also possible -- even likely -- that the 49ers used James so sparingly between the tackles because they identified him as a weak inside runner. There were certainly signs of that. He wasn't a strong inside runner at Oregon, and James ran with tentativeness and overt caution between the tackles as a rookie. James demonstrates terrific burst and acceleration when holes are opened -- he's capable of eating up grass quickly with a lane -- but there isn't much physicality and certainly no power to his game.

Both on Oregon and 49ers tape, I noticed James opt to turn out of bounds rather than back upfield when he approached the sideline. He sometimes pinballed off defenders, but otherwise displayed no real tackle-breaking skill. James' overall skill set suggests he would struggle to sustain offense if granted an opportunity play the role of feature back in an NFL rushing attack.

Straight-linish and not particularly elusive other than when using foot quickness to weave through traffic, James lacks explosive lateral movement and came off strictly as an up-field accelerator dependent on his team's blocking. He certainly can't create his own running room with lateral shake. James has some big-play ability simply because he runs fast, but his overall running makeup is quite limited. After a full rookie-year review, I found Rams sophomore back Daryl Richardson (breakdown here) far more impressive than his division rival.

James' NFL sample size obviously remains small after one season, and there is reason to believe he can improve. Based on my impressions of James after this 11-game review, however, I do not expect the 49ers or any other NFL team to ever commit to him as the foundation of their running offense. I think he is what he is, and that's a kickoff returner and change-of-pace back.
read this last night....talk about a buzz kill for me as a Niner fan/James dynasty owner

 
I have to say that I was a touch surprised by Silva's take, given what I saw in the post-season last year.

Then James works with the S&C coaches in SF to add another 10 lbs. He's now 5'8" 205, which is the type of build that a lot of the top backs possess, and we know he has the speed.

I think there's still upside as well.

 
Silva is a classic example of getting a job because of his connections and not his credentials.

 
It's nice to add weight, but not if you didn't have the strength/power naturally already at a lower weight.

I'm a 49ers fan, but James is a career role player. Kenjon Barner is probably better.

 
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I have to say that I was a touch surprised by Silva's take, given what I saw in the post-season last year.

Then James works with the S&C coaches in SF to add another 10 lbs. He's now 5'8" 205, which is the type of build that a lot of the top backs possess, and we know he has the speed.

I think there's still upside as well.
:goodposting:

Totally agree. Guys this size are always labeled COP backs, until they aren't. I see him as being capable of more than that, but we'll see.

 
Bumping for some updated thoughts on LMJ. Hunter seems to have recovered better than I personally expected from his Achilles tear, and Jewel Hampton has looked strong in preseason.

What do you guys think of James in dynasty? His return role should yield some value in return yardage leagues, but I'm curious what folks see as his long term role. With bulking up, is he poised to take on more of a load as the sun sets on Gore's career? Is he just a gadget player? What do you guys think?

 
LMJ has had a golden opp this off season slip away form him IMO. I am a big LMJ however I am starting to sour a bit. With Gore taking his sweet slow time in the off season, with Hunter down and out with an achilles, LMJ has done what exactly with his shot in the off season? He has not been tearing up camp, looked very pedestrian in preseason, been ho hum in games as well.

I am concerned he has not done enough of seizing the chance to move up the depth chart. If you feel differently then please show your work because I am starting to lose a little faith here. James may never be more than a scatback who touches the ball less than 8-10 times a game at the rate he is going.

 
Rotoworld:

49ers coach Jim Harbaugh wants to get RB LaMichael James re-involved on offense.
"We want to get that going," Harbaugh said. "He’s too good of a player not to be playing." James has been a healthy scratch each of the past three weeks, and expressed public displeasure at his role. The No. 61 overall pick of last year's draft, James has just 34 career carries. It sounds like James will be active when the 49ers come off their Week 9 bye, but he won't have more than a bit role on offense. That's if he has one at all.

Source: Steve Corkran on Twitter
 
If anything, the 49ers need him back as a return guy. Kyle Williams just can't cut it, and is a waste at WR as well. I dunno if they fell James has issues with ball handling, but jeebus, Williams has already proven he is a disaster at that.

 
Rotoworld:

CSN Bay Area's Matt Maiocco believes 2012 second-round pick LaMichael James "certainly does not appear to be a good fit with the 49ers."

Maiocco cites James' misfit for San Francisco's power running scheme, and notes that the Niners believe James lacks "the kind of blazing speed to succeed as solely an outside runner." On Friday, James tweeted, "I'd rather they just let me go," which he later confirmed was in reference to the 49ers. We're not sure James would fit any scheme, frankly. He lacks lateral agility and runs with no power. He's a return specialist at best in the NFL.


Source: CSN Bay Area
 
His stock has hit the floor and unfortunately if you are a RB on a heavy run team, one with a solid if not terrific OL, just don't se where he is gonna make a splash other than a special teamer, SF was a golden opp. They parted ways with their 1st Round WR bust, maybe they will do the same with LMJ.

 
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Rotoworld:

CSN Bay Area believes 49ers RB LaMichael James could find himself on the trade block this summer.
James doesn't have a place with the 49ers, who employ a power-run scheme. The 2012 second-round pick was routinely inactive this past season and hardly saw the field on Sundays he dressed. San Francisco would be lucky to get a late-round pick in return for James. It's more likely that he's cut after training camp.

Source: CSN Bay Area
 

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