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WR DeVante Parker, Retired (2 Viewers)
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Hot Sauce Guy
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Fuller was reportedly in their plans. Not sure if that’s changed in a week, but he’d be a good fit.
like Parker, if he can stay healthy. Huge if.
KingPrawn
Footballguy
And Fuller wouldn't cost them a draft pick and probably looking at similar cap hits.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It sometimes feels like Belichick scouts offensive players, at least veterans, by how well they do against his defense. Parker has had a lot of success against NE.
I'm expecting the WR pecking order in NE to go Parker>Meyers>Bourne>Agholor(if he stays)
I do wonder if this takes them out of rookie WR watch, at least in round 1-2.
I'm expecting the WR pecking order in NE to go Parker>Meyers>Bourne>Agholor(if he stays)
I do wonder if this takes them out of rookie WR watch, at least in round 1-2.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Bourne would have put up WR1 numbers last year if NE had targeted him more. He had 800 yards on 70 targets. That was 78th in the league for targets. He added another 125 yards on the ground.
By comparison, Bourne averaged 13.8 yds/touch. Deebo Samuel was at 13.0. The talk about NE needing a huge upgrade at receiver and a #1 WR is getting overblown. They already have an in house option for a lot less money than some of the other guys that were available.
By comparison, Bourne averaged 13.8 yds/touch. Deebo Samuel was at 13.0. The talk about NE needing a huge upgrade at receiver and a #1 WR is getting overblown. They already have an in house option for a lot less money than some of the other guys that were available.
I assume the 3rd rounder in 2023 was NEs regular pick and not a comp end of the round pick,, right? Parker doesn't give them a WR who can take off the top, but he's affordable for the next 2 years. Bourne was pretty good in 2021, as you mention.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree. I like the signing, but NEP doesn’t throw the ball enough to really sustain production for a WR to put up WR1 numbers.
I don’t really expect that to change this year. Maybe if one expects Mac Jones to take a major leap in year two, but I’d bet on more of the same.
Boston
Footballguy
Good move for the Pats...they needed more depth at WR and with all the holes they have they get a little more draft flexibility...they also add a 2022 draft pick and because they have not done anything in free agency they will probably be able to negate the loss of a 2023 #3 with a comp pick or two...not an earth-shattering move but one that should be a positive in the short-term.
greenmountaingoat
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BB was always better as the Saturday morning yard sale guy than a Blowing wads of FA cash guy.
We’ll see I guess. Everybody is writing them off which used to be the sign of great things to come.
We’ll see I guess. Everybody is writing them off which used to be the sign of great things to come.
Another aspect of the trade is that Miami can better evaluate both the Unicorn, in his last chance, and Lynn Bowden. Bowden looked very good in the slot and the backfield during the end of 2020. He made some tough catches, found holes in the zone, and showed escapability. Bowden also had 2 PR TDs at Kentucky. I think he could solve that position. He was electric at UK.
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Ray Barboni
Footballguy
Hopefully. BB does not do drafting WR’s very well.travdogg said:
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Parker had some big games vs the Pat's as at least part of the reason they were interested in him.
A couple of big games in the last 5 years but many stinkers and underwhelming games with Tannehill, Fitzpatrick, and Tua at QB. Maybe Mac Jones and Belichick can maximize his talent. He is near bottom in separation, but has a big catch radius.
Casting Couch
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I like it, a step up from N'Keal Harry, who will most likely be dealt for a low round draft pick, or tossed out into the street.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
If a team at any point offered any draft pick in any round in the next decade worth of drafts, Harry would already have been traded. The only way I can see Harry getting moved would be as a piece in a bigger trade. For example, NE might trade a prospect and Harry for another team's prospect that didn't work out. Basically, a two for one trade of guys that didn't fit. But no team will give up anything of value for Harry straight up.The whole league knows NE can't keep him and will have to release him. Why trade for him when he will be free in short order.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Are we expecting anything from Parker given the terrible off season the Pats have had?
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Jones is an accurate QB with a good backfield. That should open up some opportunities for a healthy Parker. Big negative here is Patricia as OC. Anyone else think Parker's ceiling is WR2 potentially?
I'm on board. 80-1000-8 is doable with his talent in this offense. His problem is he can't stay healthy.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Parker brings the total reliable end zone targets up from 1 (Henry) to 2. I like 60/800/5 as a floor.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
While the Pats offense is working out some kinks in terms of blocking schemes (mostly running the football), I don't think the situation is as dire as the media has played it out to be. From what I can tell, when plays haven't worked, there's always one guy that misses an assignment, doesn't do what he's supposed to, or otherwise messes up. But it's not the same player each time and it's not the same thing that goes wrong. They just need to get on the same page, and I don't think that will be a long-term issue. They also have been trying some new concepts and schemes (which takes time). I expect when the bullets go live, they will run a lot of what they always have and slowly start adding in some new wrinkles (vs. practicing a lot of new wrinkles and not a lot of older stuff).
As far as Parker goes, I am not as sold as some others in this thread. By all accounts, Meyers should again be a target monster. Even though Bourne was mostly a no show in camp (he was last year as well), he plays much better in actual games (and was their most explosive player last year). Thornton looked great before getting hurt. Jonnu was targetd a ton in training camp as they try to get something out of him for his crazy contract. They have also tried getting Agholor the ball more (and he was said to be their top receiver this offseason). Add in (in theory) more targets to the backs, and IMO there are so many guys in the mix that none of them will put up great receiving totals.
As for the "but there's no offensive coordinator and the secondary coaches are bums" storyline, BB is the one pushing the buttons. He will take a more active role in getting the offense in gear. Patricia might be the one in Jones' ear, but Bill will get things sorted out. It might be tough sledding in the early going, but I think they will figure things out and be a Top 10 unit on offense again (partly because I think the defense will struggle).
TripItUp
Footballguy
Hard to say what volume Parker can get with new playcallers. I'm not overly high on him in redrafts but I thought he presented decent value in best balls as his ADP is pretty low in those formats. I think he has good weeks, it will just be tough to predict when those weeks are.
Boston
Footballguy
The reports on him during camp were pretty positive...if I had to pick one it would be him...Myers might be safer, but his upside feels limited (i.e. I think he is better in real football than fantasy)...this year is a total crap shoot with the Pats...I could see them anywhere from 5-11 wins (and I am not optimistic at all about the 11)...their offense was very rocky during preseason so the question becomes if it remains that way will it actually turn into a good one for fantasy with a ton of garbage points.
Scooby1974
Footballguy
Thinking about dumping Parker for the upside of Christian Watson, but I cannot seem to get a read on where people value Parker. This off season has really been murky for both of these guys.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Here's what I see going on in NE. For starters, I think the pass / run split being projected is off. The Pats have not been able to run the ball for positive yardage very often in preseason games and joint practices. They have been trying to install a ZBS with very little success. The CB and LB group is probably not going to be a great man to man group, so they likely will be susceptible in the passing game. Add it all up, and sketchy running game, weaker defense, and many times struggling to stay in games = more passing attempts.
I think we see the training wheels come off for Mac Jones. Brady went from 413 attempts in Year 1 as a starter to 601 in Year 2. The 2002 team had similar issues (not great running the ball, porous secondary, behind quite a bit). It wouldn't shock me if Jones had 75-100 more passing attempts this year (he had 521 in 2021). Remember, Michael McCorkle didn't really practice with the first team offense last year until two weeks before the season started (after Cam Newton was released on cut down day).
The problem in NE is, they have a lot of decent receiving options but no one great. Parker, Bourne, Meyers, Agholor, Thornton is a better group of receivers than they've had in recent years. Henry and Smith will probably be better situated to contribute than coming in off the street last year. And (allegedly) Stevenson, Harris, and Montgomery will be more active out of the backfield.
I am not prepared to say that BB is pulling a rope a dope by having the offense look inept (and will come out against MIA looking great). I do think they are working through OL assignment and coaching process issues. I expect them to be a work in progress in September but will be a fully functional offense once Thornton comes back. He commanded a lot of coverage, was hard to stick with, and served as a deep threat in the time he was on the field. He opened up underneath stuff for everyone else.
As for who sees what amount of targets, good luck with that. I think they will game plan against each opponent and look to exploit matchups . . . meaning they will target one guy a lot one week but not go to him much the next two games. I don't think we will see a clear WR1 or WR2, and it will end up being a spread the wealth mentality.
With no one standing out, the offense said to be in disarray, and the media suggesting the needle is pointing down on NE, no one is really clamoring to draft NE receivers. Based on 3,000 MFL drafts and ADP info since 8/1 in 12 team redraft leagues . . . Parker WR45, Meyers WR58, Bourne WR70, Agholor (not in Top 98 WR), Thornton (not in Top 98 WR), Henry TE14, Smith (not in Top 37 TE).
Based on all that, someone has to catch the football. I can see Jones getting 4200-4300 yards and 28-30 TD. Maybe they will have multiple players with 400+ receiving yards to get to that combined total. I was optimistic that Bourne would be a great sleeper pick earlier in the summer. He was more productive per touch last year than Deebo Samuel . . . all he needed was more touches. He was the most explosive player on the NE offense. But reports out of camp reflect that he was not engaged and did close to nothing (and they were taking calls on trade offers). Bourne wasn't even a footnote during camp last year either, so I think he can turn the switch on and be a playmaker. Agholor earned rave reviews in camp last year and this year, but he disappeared in the regular season last year. He is known for having the dropsies, so even though he made some circus catches this summer, I expect the real Agholor will show up when it counts, and he will be unreliable.
That leads me to conclude that Meyers will probably be Mr. Reliable and see a lot of short targets and receptions. He probably won't see the end zone much, as they have better red zone threats and run the ball the most in the red zone out of any team in the league. Overall, all the NE guys are probably undervalued . . . but they may still not be great fantasy options. They will probably produce a fantasy WR3 each week . . . but it won't be the same guy from week to week. If people draft a guy with an ADP of WR60 and he ends up at WR40, sure, he outproduced his draft slot but may not be that great of an option to slot in your weekly lineup.
I think we see the training wheels come off for Mac Jones. Brady went from 413 attempts in Year 1 as a starter to 601 in Year 2. The 2002 team had similar issues (not great running the ball, porous secondary, behind quite a bit). It wouldn't shock me if Jones had 75-100 more passing attempts this year (he had 521 in 2021). Remember, Michael McCorkle didn't really practice with the first team offense last year until two weeks before the season started (after Cam Newton was released on cut down day).
The problem in NE is, they have a lot of decent receiving options but no one great. Parker, Bourne, Meyers, Agholor, Thornton is a better group of receivers than they've had in recent years. Henry and Smith will probably be better situated to contribute than coming in off the street last year. And (allegedly) Stevenson, Harris, and Montgomery will be more active out of the backfield.
I am not prepared to say that BB is pulling a rope a dope by having the offense look inept (and will come out against MIA looking great). I do think they are working through OL assignment and coaching process issues. I expect them to be a work in progress in September but will be a fully functional offense once Thornton comes back. He commanded a lot of coverage, was hard to stick with, and served as a deep threat in the time he was on the field. He opened up underneath stuff for everyone else.
As for who sees what amount of targets, good luck with that. I think they will game plan against each opponent and look to exploit matchups . . . meaning they will target one guy a lot one week but not go to him much the next two games. I don't think we will see a clear WR1 or WR2, and it will end up being a spread the wealth mentality.
With no one standing out, the offense said to be in disarray, and the media suggesting the needle is pointing down on NE, no one is really clamoring to draft NE receivers. Based on 3,000 MFL drafts and ADP info since 8/1 in 12 team redraft leagues . . . Parker WR45, Meyers WR58, Bourne WR70, Agholor (not in Top 98 WR), Thornton (not in Top 98 WR), Henry TE14, Smith (not in Top 37 TE).
Based on all that, someone has to catch the football. I can see Jones getting 4200-4300 yards and 28-30 TD. Maybe they will have multiple players with 400+ receiving yards to get to that combined total. I was optimistic that Bourne would be a great sleeper pick earlier in the summer. He was more productive per touch last year than Deebo Samuel . . . all he needed was more touches. He was the most explosive player on the NE offense. But reports out of camp reflect that he was not engaged and did close to nothing (and they were taking calls on trade offers). Bourne wasn't even a footnote during camp last year either, so I think he can turn the switch on and be a playmaker. Agholor earned rave reviews in camp last year and this year, but he disappeared in the regular season last year. He is known for having the dropsies, so even though he made some circus catches this summer, I expect the real Agholor will show up when it counts, and he will be unreliable.
That leads me to conclude that Meyers will probably be Mr. Reliable and see a lot of short targets and receptions. He probably won't see the end zone much, as they have better red zone threats and run the ball the most in the red zone out of any team in the league. Overall, all the NE guys are probably undervalued . . . but they may still not be great fantasy options. They will probably produce a fantasy WR3 each week . . . but it won't be the same guy from week to week. If people draft a guy with an ADP of WR60 and he ends up at WR40, sure, he outproduced his draft slot but may not be that great of an option to slot in your weekly lineup.
foxco
Footballguy
Starting Meyers in 1 league and Parker in another. Don't really want to, but have very limited options with a bunch of guys coming back from injuries (Godwin/Gallup etc.). Hoping Parker wants to show MIA he's still got some talent and gets a revenge TD or 2. But honestly would be happy with 5 for 68.
SpruceGoose
Footballguy
he was my last pick...why not? 
Anarchy99
Footballguy
This ties in to what I was trying to convey. You usually aren’t going to start him. Then he’ll have a week with 6-90-2. Then you’ll start him and he’ll put up 2-22-0. Then he’ll go back to the bench and eventually he’ll have an 8-125-1 week that won’t count sitting on the bench. When you need him as a bye week fill in, then he’ll be nursing a hammy injury. It will be maddening.he was my last pick...why not?
The Frankman
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tombonneau
Footballguy
Problem for Pats is seems like aparkerbis feast or famine - either 25 yd play or Mac forces terrible pick to him.
Mac injury of course is another variable.
The Frankman
Footballguy
FairWarning
Footballguy
Not the best situation for him, but it speaks volumes about the Raven pass D. It has been torched this year by quality receivers.
BobbyLayne
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- DeVante Parker (212 air yards)
- DeVonta Smith (205)
- Elijah Moore (186)
- Josh Reynolds (172)
- Kyle Pitts (165)
- Mark Andrews (152)
- DK Metcalf (150)
- Terry McLaurin (147)
- Diontae Johnson (146)
- Marquise Brown (140)
1 of these things is not like the others
The Frankman
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sheerterror
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Poor man's Mike Williams. And they share the same unfortunate characteristic as well.
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