Uh Oh -- Another Game Suspended Due To Serious Injury (1 Viewer)

[rockaction]

Pats-GB tilt suspended due to an injury to Isaiah Bolden. Bolden was carted off the field on a stretcher. Reports are that Bolden has feeling in his extremities.

So. . .the slippery slope started in Buffalo and its specter looms large over the game.

 

[SeniorVBDStudent]

Hope Bolden is ok. The situations appear different as...as I understand things....Hamlin's heart stopped on the field and this was not the case in this game. So perhaps this was just a "pre-season decision" and hopefully nothing too serious.

 

[rockaction]

There have been no reports of heart stoppages. In fact, reports are that he has feeling in his extremities. I wish him a full and speedy recovery.

This should serve as a reminder for fantasy players to have some rules in place about aborted/suspended games because I have a feeling the cat is not going back in that bag.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Pats-GB tilt suspended due to an injury to Isaiah Bolden. Bolden was carted off the field on a stretcher. Reports are that Bolden has feeling in his extremities.

So. . .the slippery slope started in Buffalo and its specter looms large over the game.

ugh

 

[FFWhiskey]

Not sure what is happening, but agree that hopefully this is done out of an abundance of caution the same way they let preseason games end in ties.

Not to be insensitive, but the fact that Demar Hamlin didn't die should give many people confidence of how hard it is for someone to actually die on the football field.


With that said, where is this "war on football" coming from? In years past, players would suffer devastating injuries up to and including paralysis and the show went on.


It can't be the players complaining, because if that meant anything, the NFL would switch to grass over turf. I'm not sure the average fan is outraged about this as most of us are indoctrinated into football being a "tough guy" sport. Who exactly is the NFL catering to with all this player safety stuff?


I guess if it's just them being altruistic and wanting to protect their players, fine. But if it's the woke mob - ambulance chasers, then I just don't understand.


Even just this one preseason game had millions and millions of dollars gambled on it and the Bills/Bengals game had probably billions of dollars in implications. Not to get too political, but it seems like there are forces behind the scenes that are pulling strings that are contrary to the wishes of the average fan and/or players themselves.



That is to say. How can these stoppages become the norm when the consensus is that most people disagree with them? If Hamlin died, it would make sense to me but the fact he didn't makes this type of reaction strange.



Anywho, hoping this is just in relation to this being a meaningless preseason game and if this were an exhibition they would have played on. Either way, thoughts and prayers to this player and his family.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That is to say. How can these stoppages become the norm when the consensus is that most people disagree with them? If Hamlin died, it would make sense to me but the fact he didn't makes this type of reaction strange.

Technically, he did. The moment his heart stopped he was dead. They had to necessitate him on the field, e.g. bring him back to life.

Hell of a thing. I hope to never have to witness anything like that again.

 

[FFWhiskey]

That is to say. How can these stoppages become the norm when the consensus is that most people disagree with them? If Hamlin died, it would make sense to me but the fact he didn't makes this type of reaction strange.

Technically, he did. The moment his heart stopped he was dead. They had to necessitate him on the field, e.g. bring him back to life.

Hell of a thing. I hope to never have to witness anything like that again.

Is that right? Well huh, you learn something new everyday. But yes, that entire situation was god awful.


I'm one to avoid tragedies. Like if there is a mass shooting or a train derailment, I won't watch traditional news outlets and avoid social media for a few days. Sucks when that kind of thing invaded my safe space and favorite hobby. It was unavoidable at the time.

Not to minimize anyone's wellbeing, I just personally avoid stuff like that because it makes me very uncomfortable.

 

[rockaction]

It can't be the players complaining, because if that meant anything, the NFL would switch to grass over turf.

I think that in Hamlin's case it was absolutely a groundswell by the players not to play. It was a sui generis thing. Never really seen before and people didn't know what to do. In the heat of the moment, refusal prevailed.

Then when it galvanized a whole country and transcended the sports news into the nightly news, the NFL was faced with a choice. Either be the good guy that cares about its players, or be the ogre that is so callous that it makes its players play after life-and-death questions from the game itself have been invoked. The PR nightmare if Hamlin died and they had continued would have seriously damaged the league in the eyes of many in America.

Now we're left with a standard that was set with respect to both the public and the players; and you can be darn sure that the NFL doesn't want to rock the boat of public opinion, much less invite regulatory overreach by lawmaking bodies. It also doesn't want to piss off its employees whose happiness is crucial to them selling the sport to your average Joe.

The "war on football," as you call it, is ancillary to this but germane. That's probably another topic best left for another forum or another day.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

That is to say. How can these stoppages become the norm when the consensus is that most people disagree with them? If Hamlin died, it would make sense to me but the fact he didn't makes this type of reaction strange.

Technically, he did. The moment his heart stopped he was dead. They had to necessitate him on the field, e.g. bring him back to life.

Hell of a thing. I hope to never have to witness anything like that again.

Is that right? Well huh, you learn something new everyday. But yes, that entire situation was god awful.


I'm one to avoid tragedies. Like if there is a mass shooting or a train derailment, I won't watch traditional news outlets and avoid social media for a few days. Sucks when that kind of thing invaded my safe space and favorite hobby. It was unavoidable at the time.

Not to minimize anyone's wellbeing, I just personally avoid stuff like that because it makes me very uncomfortable.

So there is body death & brain death.

If the body is dead too long, the brain dies. Until then there's a chance to get the body kick-started again.

That's why the good Samaritan laws protect people who are administering CPR - if you break someone's ribs, you're doing it to attempt to resuscitate them. Theory goes, you can't harm them any more than the heart stoppage they're already experiencing.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think that in Hamlin's case it was absolutely a groundswell by the players not to play. It was a sui generis thing. Never really seen before and people didn't know what to do. In the heat of the moment, refusal prevailed.

Absolutely. Remember when NFL said "ok we're gonna get the game back in about 45 mins after we sent everyone to their locker rooms" and after like 30 players were in street clothes like "F*** that noise" and then everything went sideways?

Yeah - that was definitely a groundswell in the moment. None of those dudes wanted to play under those circumstances. NFL came off looking like soulless monsters.

 

[rockaction]

NFL came off looking like soulless monsters

People have largely forgotten that because it never came to pass. The NFL caved, which most people thought was correct.

What they didn't envision was that this was the potential new standard for grievous bodily injury, like injuries that border on paralysis. Without being callous here, I saw this coming and wrote about it at length then with the conclusion that was "Well, what are you going to do?"

But this is going to be a concern, and as FFWhiskey points out, hundreds of millions of dollars were riding on the Buffalo/Cincinnati outcome which then had to be explained away to people whose wallets were affected.

This game stoppage thing is likely to undermine trust in the league's industry, and I'll bet you they know it. It's costing them money, after all, which seems to be their raison d'étre for existing, if not breathing.

 

[FFWhiskey]

That is to say. How can these stoppages become the norm when the consensus is that most people disagree with them? If Hamlin died, it would make sense to me but the fact he didn't makes this type of reaction strange.

Technically, he did. The moment his heart stopped he was dead. They had to necessitate him on the field, e.g. bring him back to life.

Hell of a thing. I hope to never have to witness anything like that again.

Is that right? Well huh, you learn something new everyday. But yes, that entire situation was god awful.


I'm one to avoid tragedies. Like if there is a mass shooting or a train derailment, I won't watch traditional news outlets and avoid social media for a few days. Sucks when that kind of thing invaded my safe space and favorite hobby. It was unavoidable at the time.

Not to minimize anyone's wellbeing, I just personally avoid stuff like that because it makes me very uncomfortable.

So there is body death & brain death.

If the body is dead too long, the brain dies. Until then there's a chance to get the body kick-started again.

That's why the good Samaritan laws protect people who are administering CPR - if you break someone's ribs, you're doing it to attempt to resuscitate them. Theory goes, you can't harm them any more than the heart stoppage they're already experiencing.

Oh wow, this is great information. There's some incredibly smart people posting on these boards. In just the past 20 minutes, I learned a wealth of medical knowledge, NFL corporate relations, and even a new term "sui generis".


Appreciate the insight fellas. I don't typically get this level of in-depth analysis to my inquiries elsewhere and it's honestly refreshing. Thank you. The transfer of knowledge is how we all get better as I now have the ability to pass these insights onto others. Much better than the typical bickering you find online.

 

[wgoldsph]

That is to say. How can these stoppages become the norm when the consensus is that most people disagree with them? If Hamlin died, it would make sense to me but the fact he didn't makes this type of reaction strange.

Technically, he did. The moment his heart stopped he was dead. They had to necessitate him on the field, e.g. bring him back to life.

Hell of a thing. I hope to never have to witness anything like that again.

If you're being *that* pedantic every time you sneeze you die. I've seen player's sneeze multiple times on the field. Hell I've done it myself in high school.

This becomes a "where do we draw the line" issue. What exactly is "near death"? If a player is totally immobilized does the NFL suspend the game? How long do you wait until you suspend a game after the player is taken to the hospital?

Do it in one more game and rules MUST BE SET across all games or you end up with *someone* in The League claiming bias for or against their organization.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Oh wow, this is great information. There's some incredibly smart people posting on these boards. In just the past 20 minutes, I learned a wealth of medical knowledge, NFL corporate relations, and even a new term "sui generis".

FWIW I’m not a medical professional, but I know we have them here.

I just know from years of COR training that CPR is not administered to a living person. If the heart is beating, they typically do not need CPR.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If you're being *that* pedantic every time you sneeze you die. I've seen player's sneeze multiple times on the field. Hell I've done it myself in high school.

This becomes a "where do we draw the line" issue. What exactly is "near death"? If a player is totally immobilized does the NFL suspend the game? How long do you wait until you suspend a game after the player is taken to the hospital?

Do it in one more game and rules MUST BE SET across all games or you end up with *someone* in The League claiming bias for or against their organization.

I’m pretty sure if the heart skips a single beat during a sneeze, no one considers that dying. The heart continues to beat without assistance. No AED/defibrillator is needed after a sneeze.

Keeping the circulation going with CPR is necessary for when the heart has ceased to beat on its own, and the brain stops signaling the heart to beat.

Does it really stop when you sneeze? I’d always heard that was an old wive’s tale.
To the google!

ETA: myth busted

It is a myth that a person's heart stops when they sneeze. The heart does not stop, but it may change its rhythm — briefly

 

[FFWhiskey]

There we go!! This is the bickering I was looking for. The internet is undefeated.


USA, USA, USA

 

[brun]

Happened to turn the game on while they were attending to Bolden on the field. Hope the kid is ok.
Since it's a preseason game. I don't care much that it was suspended. If it was an real game, I'd prefer they finish it somehow.

 

[wgoldsph]

ETA: myth busted

It is a myth that a person's heart stops when they sneeze. The heart does not stop, but it may change its rhythm — briefly

I actually googled this right after posting because I was like "wait a minute is this true?" came up with the same answer (momentary change in rhythm), and decided ya know what? Let's be wrong full steam.

Either way we need rules about this sort of thing! Player death rules!

 

[Chaka]

ETA: myth busted

It is a myth that a person's heart stops when they sneeze. The heart does not stop, but it may change its rhythm — briefly

I actually googled this right after posting because I was like "wait a minute is this true?" came up with the same answer (momentary change in rhythm), and decided ya know what? Let's be wrong full steam.

Either way we need rules about this sort of thing! Player death rules!

Respect.

 

[Anarchy99]

Bolden spent the night in the hospital for observation and appears to be ok. He was released from the hospital and will be flying with the team back to Boston.

 

[Lansdowne]

Happened to turn the game on while they were attending to Bolden on the field. Hope the kid is ok.
Since it's a preseason game. I don't care much that it was suspended. If it was an real game, I'd prefer they finish it somehow.

My take on it too. I’m glad Bolden is okay and is back with the team. Had no problem with them ending the preseason game a quarter early. I feel like if it happened earlier, like first quarter, they should’ve continued play as long as the player being stretchered out is still breathing.

 

[Savatage79]

I'm probably gonna be in the minority here but I'm just of the mindset that if I were an nfl player, I'd never want them to stop a game for me. Even tho it's pre season, those people all showed up and took time out of their day to support both teams... That needs to be taken into consideration.

Injuries suck nobody wants to see it, but it's a part of the game... Football players get emotional about this, rememeber they're in battle even if it's an exhibition.. Because some kids want to prove their value and worth... And again it's not to minimize anyone's injury but there's no other way to say it's part of the game. When they leave you finish what you came to do and then once it's over that's when we check.

When Hamlin got hurt the first thing he said was who won from the report I read, so what a shame to be like uh we quit... If that was me id be like damn come on now, I'd want them to finish the battle..

Anyways I get it, not a popular opinion but it's just how I view it.

 

[Anarchy99]

A regular season or playoff game is way different than a preseason game. NE and GB had joint practices and effectively full
game scrimmages twice last week and had played 3/4 of the scheduled game. That’s the equivalent of probably 4 games worth of head to head, live action. Was there really a need for these squads to see how their third stringers fared to close out the game?

 

[rockaction]

Was there really a need for these squads to see how their third stringers fared to close out the game?

Yes, I know the first part of your post. I've thought about it. No, there was no need.

But it is dangerous because of this, and I'll emphasize what "this" is with an anecdote. When they were carting off somebody at the Jets game last night due to a bad injury (they'd stabilized the player's neck and he lay on the cart in full uniform), the announcers wondered aloud what the players would do, i.e., would they play? So they were unsure, just like everybody in New England was. Would the game go on?

This needs to be addressed before we get this happening in the regular season. There are precedents that need to be either re-established or set, or you're going to have people banking on fair and complete games frustrated when a game is cancelled for this reason. There needs to be a uniform, consistent, judicious enforcement of a precedent, whatever precedent that may be. The NFL has to acknowledge their role in this. They're hand-in-hand with the casinos and gambling outlets. The only way to stay on the level is to have some sort of plan or rule in place to address this. They're on notice. Time to step up.

 

[Savatage79]

A regular season or playoff game is way different than a preseason game. NE and GB had joint practices and effectively full
game scrimmages twice last week and had played 3/4 of the scheduled game. That’s the equivalent of probably 4 games worth of head to head, live action. Was there really a need for these squads to see how their third stringers fared to close out the game?

But you're missing tho the thousands that despite the fact it was a practice game, thousands of people got cut short on their experience.

I just feel that accounts for alot. I mean where's the line? I feel this is a weird slippery slope, to me.. Unless someone actually dies on field the game should go on. Sometimes you have casualties, these guys all know what they're in for.

If you polled the whole nfl and asked them if they want the game to be stopped in the wake of their injury, I can't think a single one would say yes.

 

[Willem_Dafuq]

A regular season or playoff game is way different than a preseason game. NE and GB had joint practices and effectively full
game scrimmages twice last week and had played 3/4 of the scheduled game. That’s the equivalent of probably 4 games worth of head to head, live action. Was there really a need for these squads to see how their third stringers fared to close out the game?

But you're missing tho the thousands that despite the fact it was a practice game, thousands of people got cut short on their experience.

I just feel that accounts for alot. I mean where's the line? I feel this is a weird slippery slope, to me.. Unless someone actually dies on field the game should go on. Sometimes you have casualties, these guys all know what they're in for.

If you polled the whole nfl and asked them if they want the game to be stopped in the wake of their injury, I can't think a single one would say yes.

The line is probably when it's a regular season game. I doubt they'll suspend or cancel a regular season game with all the $$$ involved unless someone nearly dies again.

 

[Anarchy99]

As a side note, after this incident, NE canceled this week’s scheduled joint practices against the Titans. No explanation was given, but some folks have speculated that that much extended live action in back to back weeks is too much. NE had people get hurt in their time in GB, so they may not want as much contact.

 

[Savatage79]

A regular season or playoff game is way different than a preseason game. NE and GB had joint practices and effectively full
game scrimmages twice last week and had played 3/4 of the scheduled game. That’s the equivalent of probably 4 games worth of head to head, live action. Was there really a need for these squads to see how their third stringers fared to close out the game?

But you're missing tho the thousands that despite the fact it was a practice game, thousands of people got cut short on their experience.

I just feel that accounts for alot. I mean where's the line? I feel this is a weird slippery slope, to me.. Unless someone actually dies on field the game should go on. Sometimes you have casualties, these guys all know what they're in for.

If you polled the whole nfl and asked them if they want the game to be stopped in the wake of their injury, I can't think a single one would say yes.

The line is probably when it's a regular season game. I doubt they'll suspend or cancel a regular season game with all the $$$ involved unless someone nearly dies again.

Well hopefully it'll stay in that lane. Like I said I don't wanna see anyone get hurt but that's the path they've chosen so it's just to be expected. I just hope they don't get carried away with it is all

 

[song]

if it's the woke mob - ambulance chasers, then I just don't understand.

funny, when i first started hearing woke a lot, maybe 3 or 4 years ago, i wondered what the hell that meant, and googled it, and at that time, it had a specific, limited meaning. Google said it was an awareness of cultural and institutional racism.

fast forward and it now seems to mean everything, and anything, so nothing.

but the woke mob are ambulance chasers? huh. obviously i just don't understand.

while i'm being linguisticky, why doesn't everyone now say figuratively when they mean literally? let's start that.

 

[FFWhiskey]

if it's the woke mob - ambulance chasers, then I just don't understand.

funny, when i first started hearing woke a lot, maybe 3 or 4 years ago, i wondered what the hell that meant, and googled it, and at that time, it had a specific, limited meaning. Google said it was an awareness of cultural and institutional racism.

fast forward and it now seems to mean everything, and anything, so nothing.

but the woke mob are ambulance chasers? huh. obviously i just don't understand.

while i'm being linguisticky, why doesn't everyone now say figuratively when they mean literally? let's start that.

I think the definition has expanded quite a bit to encompass Karens and/or pretentious self righteous know-it-alls over the past few years.


I wasn't trying to denote that the woke mob and ambulance chasers were the same people, the hyphen was to denote two different groups but I may be using punctuation wrong, lol.

 

[rockaction]

the hyphen was to denote two different groups but I may be using punctuation wrong, lol.

You can always use a slash to do that. Hyphens imply a conjoined thing.

/

 

[rockaction]

while i'm being linguisticky, why doesn't everyone now say figuratively when they mean literally? let's start that.

LOL

What's odd is that "literally" was literally being debased since 1991, but people only started realizing it this past seven or so years. I find that odd. It literally is thirty-plus years old, this misuse of the word. And it was never misused out of ignorance. It was a hyperbolic statement. "I mean, I literally ran screaming out of the room with my head aflame."

 

[FFWhiskey]

the hyphen was to denote two different groups but I may be using punctuation wrong, lol.

You can always use a slash to do that. Hyphens imply a conjoined thing.

/

Okay, great so I have been communicating poorly for years.

I guess it makes sense when you see those last names hyphenated, implying they are one in the same. Maybe I am an imbecile?


"Now my wife is REALLY going to kill me."

 

[rockaction]

FFWhiskey-Wife

 

[renesauz]

That is to say. How can these stoppages become the norm when the consensus is that most people disagree with them? If Hamlin died, it would make sense to me but the fact he didn't makes this type of reaction strange.

Technically, he did. The moment his heart stopped he was dead. They had to necessitate him on the field, e.g. bring him back to life.

Hell of a thing. I hope to never have to witness anything like that again.

welcome to my world. I see this......often

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

welcome to my world. I see this......often

Sorry to hear, but thank you for what you do. Thank goodness for the ones you help to bring back