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Is Life Much Harder While Being Very Attractive Or Being Very Unattractive? (24/30) (1 Viewer)

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VIDEO: The Invention Of Lying Dec 12, 2010

MARK - "Sure. Tell me more. I'm trying to get a little insight into you."

JENNIFER - "Well you already know a lot about me. You know I'm good looking because... well... here I am. You know I'm successful because you've seen my apartment and the clothes I'm wearing. And you know I'm happy because I'm smiling.

(Phone rings) It's my mother, this won't take long. Probably checking in on our date.

Hello? Yes, I'm with him right now. No, not very attractive. No, doesn't make much money. He's all right though. Seems nice. Kind of funny. A bit fat. Funny little snub nose. No, I won't be sleeping with him tonight. Nope, probably not even a kiss. Okay, you too. Bye.

.... Sorry about that."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8DftAEzIXc



Direct Headline: 7 surprising downsides of being beautiful

Shana Lebowitz September 22, 2015

At first glance, it might seem as though pretty people have it easy...After all, studies show they generally earn more than their less attractive peers; they can treat people unfairly and get away with it; and they're even more appealing candidates for microfinance loans...But a growing body of research suggests that being beautiful can sometimes work to your detriment...For example, one study found that being attractive hurts your chances of getting a job when the person evaluating you is the same sex. Another study found that attractive people are perceived as less talented writers than average-looking people by members of the same sex. That's possibly because we perceive attractive individuals of the same sex as a threat.

Here's what frustrates people about being beautiful:

1. There's a fine line between acknowledging your beauty and being conceited - "The danger of becoming vain. I know I'm pretty, but even typing that feels icky, like it's a bad thing to admit that I know I'm good-looking."

2. It's worrisome when your appearance changes as you get older - "For a woman, looks fade. I'm in fashion and many models go a bit nuts when they get older and the phone stops ringing. If you're used to not being a knockout, aging won't be as difficult (the looks sense anyway)."

3. You may give off the false impression of always being happy - "People assuming that you are never shy, insecure, lonely, or heartbroken."

4. People often believe you're less intelligent than your average-looking peers - "The general thinking seems to be that the more attractive you are, the stupider you are, as attractive people tend to coast through life more. This makes it pretty difficult to be taken seriously sometimes."

5. It's harder to convince people that you're nice - "People have a hard time believing that somebody can be attractive AND friendly. I think people assume that I'm confident because of the way I look when in reality, I know I'm a good person and relatively fun to be around."

6. No one takes your body-image issues seriously - "It is awkward to talk about your problems with weight loss or self image, especially if you brush my own concerns for my body aside with lines like 'yeah right.'''

7. You don't get a lot of pity for your problems - "I guess people would sometimes trivialize events in your life because you're attractive. For instance, if there was a death in your family or you were fired from your job, people might not feel as sympathetic because 'at least you're attractive.'"


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/s/7-surprising-downsides-being-beautiful-162751869.html



VIDEO: Being ugly (As A Male) : My Experience Jan 25, 2018

"This is just what i have been going Thru, the reasson i make this video/Channel is cause i feel sad over not finding any genuine channels of unatractive people creating content that i could relate to.
Hope you can relate to me. Wish you all luck."


https://youtu.be/1n5nOEJtrYA?t=91



Direct Headline: The surprising downsides of being drop dead gorgeous

By David Robson Feb 13 2015

.....At the most superficial level, beauty might be thought to carry a kind of halo around it; we see that someone has one good attribute, and by association, our subconscious assumes that they have been blessed in other departments too. “It’s one of many status characteristics that we can identify very early in our interactions...”....To psychologists, this is called the “what is beautiful is good” heuristic...In education, for instance, .... found a wealth of research showing that better looking students, at school and university, tend to be judged by teachers as being more competent and intelligent – and that was reflected in the grades they gave them....

....What’s more, the bubble’s influence inflates over the years. “There’s a cumulative effect.....You become more confident and have more positive beliefs and more opportunities to demonstrate your competence.”...In the workplace, your face really can be your fortune. When everything else is considered, more attractive people tend to earn more money and climb higher on the corporate ladder than people who are considered less pleasing on the eye. One study of MBA graduates found that there was about a 10 to 15% difference in earnings between the most and least attractive people in the group – which added up to about $230,000 (£150,000) over a lifetime.....Even in the courts, a pleasing appearance can work its magic. Attractive defendants are likely to get more lenient sentences, or to escape conviction entirely; attractive plaintiffs, meanwhile, are more likely to win their case and get bigger financial settlements.....

.... And as you might expect, good-looking people of both genders run into jealousy – one study found that if you are interviewed by someone of the same sex, they may be less likely to recruit you if they judge that you are more attractive than they are.....We tend to link good looks to health, meaning that illnesses are often taken less seriously when they affect the good-looking. When treating people for pain, for instance, doctors tend to take less care over the more attractive people....but still making interaction more distant. “Attractiveness can convey more power over visible space – but that in turn can make others feel they can’t approach that person....”


https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20150213-the-downsides-of-being-beautiful



VIDEO: Life as an Ugly Woman Mar 12, 2019

I wanted to explain what life is like for a woman who is objectively ugly in the eyes of the world. So far, I have only seen videos of this nature from people who are not ugly. Hopefully this will be a source for other ugly women to find solace in, and for people who are not ugly to understand what we go through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDo4NaS69BA
 
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“There are no bad pictures; that's just how your face looks sometimes.”

- Abraham Lincoln


“It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness.”

- Leo Tolstoy


“All little girls should be told they are pretty, even if they aren't.”

- Marilyn Monroe


“Think of all the beauty still left around you and be happy.”

- Anne Frank





Here is another topic that is designed to increase discussion and participation in the FFA.

I believe this topic has absolutely no chance of delving into real world public policy issues, public administration conflict and generally anything politically related.

My personal thoughts on this issue? 1) Everyone can do more to improve their situation. I posted two video testimonials, both male and female, above to highlight that no matter your circumstances, you have to effort the problems in front of you. Get a more flattering haircut, work out, smile, find some nice clothes, go find activities where you can excel and participate, seek to maximize your best attributes whatever they are. If you are going to be seen as "ugly", then have it happen at your best efforts to improve. And if someone is very good looking, do the same, don't rest your laurels on your good looks, because that's not guaranteed to stay together for you forever. If you want to share a life, then build a life worth sharing. 2) One of the strange ironies to this situation is that it's usually the people on both extreme ends of the spectrum who are typically the most punitive to others about looks. One of the interesting ironies to Ricky Gervais' Invention Of Lying film is that he's angry that Jennifer Garner's character won't accept him beyond his looks, but ignores that issue that he chose her only because she's pretty, as the character construction leaves nothing else about her that stands out.

Do you believe it's much harder in life to go through it being considered, across a general social baseline, to be very attractive? Or very unattractive? ( While that answer might seem simple on the surface level, like most issues, it lends itself to a more complicated nuanced discussion pathway. Being outrageously attractive is not the boondoggle that everyone makes it out to be)

If you've known someone in your life that was either very attractive or very unattractive, how did you see that impact their life? In what good ways or bad ways or somewhere in-between ways? Is there any specific instance that stood out to you that you'd like to share?

If you've ever known someone where they transitioned from very attractive to then unattractive or the reverse, i.e. very unattractive to attractive, what did you observe happen? What changes happened, if any, in their personality, opportunities and outlook on the world?

If you were ever considered either very attractive or very unattractive, if you'd like to share, how did that impact your life? How did people treat you? What were the best benefits and worst drawbacks of that situation? What are issues that no one talks about much for being in that condition?

I'll leave this here for others to discuss. (24/30)
 
I think generally it's easier being attractive, though if you're a pretty woman that certainly comes with drawbacks cause men will be men. Maybe if you're super attractive it gets hard cause everyone's always just kinda gazing at you and picturing you nekkid. I can imagine that getting old real fast.

One night in college I was in a bar trying my damdest with this pretty girl and she said "You're really cute, but you're no Biff Furlong." Biff was a buddy of mine who was apparently way more attractive than me. So I'll be on the side that attractive is easier. Freaking Biff Furlong. Come on.
 
I think generally it's easier being attractive, though if you're a pretty woman that certainly comes with drawbacks cause men will be men. Maybe if you're super attractive it gets hard cause everyone's always just kinda gazing at you and picturing you nekkid. I can imagine that getting old real fast.

One night in college I was in a bar trying my damdest with this pretty girl and she said "You're really cute, but you're no Biff Furlong." Biff was a buddy of mine who was apparently way more attractive than me. So I'll be on the side that attractive is easier. Freaking Biff Furlong. Come on.
C'mon the guy's name was Biff Furlong?
 
I think generally it's easier being attractive, though if you're a pretty woman that certainly comes with drawbacks cause men will be men. Maybe if you're super attractive it gets hard cause everyone's always just kinda gazing at you and picturing you nekkid. I can imagine that getting old real fast.

One night in college I was in a bar trying my damdest with this pretty girl and she said "You're really cute, but you're no Biff Furlong." Biff was a buddy of mine who was apparently way more attractive than me. So I'll be on the side that attractive is easier. Freaking Biff Furlong. Come on.
C'mon the guy's name was Biff Furlong?

you kidding me?

i see Biff as this combination of an '80s James Spader with the physical "prowess" of John Holmes.
 
Biff was his pledge name, cause he looked like a Biff and shoulda been named Biff for reals. Can't divulge real name on this board because, as a much more attractive person than myself, he could have me squashed like an errant fly.
 
I think generally it's easier being attractive, though if you're a pretty woman that certainly comes with drawbacks cause men will be men. Maybe if you're super attractive it gets hard cause everyone's always just kinda gazing at you and picturing you nekkid. I can imagine that getting old real fast.

One night in college I was in a bar trying my damdest with this pretty girl and she said "You're really cute, but you're no Biff Furlong." Biff was a buddy of mine who was apparently way more attractive than me. So I'll be on the side that attractive is easier. Freaking Biff Furlong. Come on.
C'mon the guy's name was Biff Furlong?

you kidding me?

i see Biff as this combination of an '80s James Spader with the physical "prowess" of John Holmes.
I saw him as a combination of the bully from the Back To The Future movies and a young John Connor from Terminator 2/ younger neo-Nazi brother from American History X.
 
I think generally it's easier being attractive, though if you're a pretty woman that certainly comes with drawbacks cause men will be men. Maybe if you're super attractive it gets hard cause everyone's always just kinda gazing at you and picturing you nekkid. I can imagine that getting old real fast.

One night in college I was in a bar trying my damdest with this pretty girl and she said "You're really cute, but you're no Biff Furlong." Biff was a buddy of mine who was apparently way more attractive than me. So I'll be on the side that attractive is easier. Freaking Biff Furlong. Come on.
You sure this is a real story and you just weren't really stoned and watching a porno?
 
Here is something that is just as big a question.

Why is Ridge wallet trying to sell me a metal case to use as a "wallet" by showing me various leather wallets being destroyed by industrial-sized power saws?

Several questions we need answered:

1) Why does this company exist?

2) What is the problem that this product solves?

3) What was the thinking behind framing industrial-sized power saws as the main reason their product is needed?

4) What percentage of the market is this whole "an industrial-sized power saw problem" addressing?

ETA: 4a) and whatever percentage that is - those people really need to prioritize their lifestyle choices if that is a big problem

Ridge
 
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I have no data to prove this but I strongly believe that you would find a SIGNIFICANTLY higher percentage of unattractive people who wished they were attractive than vice versa.
Ya you can always make yourself more unattractive if youre really bothered by how attractive you are.
 
I have no data to prove this but I strongly believe that you would find a SIGNIFICANTLY higher percentage of unattractive people who wished they were attractive than vice versa.


I agree and I disagree.

My viewpoint is a large cross section will be seen, across a social baseline, as unattractive by the majority of the world, but in their own eyes, they are "just fine" and have assessed the problem lies with other people.

I.E. They've rationalized it away, not that they are generally seen as unattractive, but that the "world is a shallow place"

Which again, leads into something I said earlier, which is that the people who tend to virtue signal the most about how shallow the world is and has become are usually, in private, the absolutely most punitive people on the face of the planet about how other people look.

But this splits down the middle.

Men can be seen as unattractive, even seen as glaring so against that social baseline, but there are multiple methodologies to extend out into "attractive qualities" or "attractive material wealth" or "attractive status" that makes a huge difference. We see this in in professional sports all the time. Charles Barkley has roasted Scottie Pippen for his entire life about his former wife, Larsa Pippen, claiming that "Scottie outkicked his coverage there"

Be seen as ugly but be seen as the lead singer in a popular band. Or be seen as ugly and be the QB1 in a highly competitive high profile program. Be a great public speaker, be a great teacher, be a great comedian, be a great artist, be a great writer, etc, etc. Men have avenues to excel to give them in a boost in some narrower categories. ( i.e. being a best selling author like Stephen King is mostly going to have pull with those invested in books, writing, etc, etc)

Women however operate differently. They have a higher general "floor" than the average man, but almost no other pathways. They are also on a hard clock, as the majority of men prize youth above all else ( i.e. young but at the age of majority) . A 45 year old woman is going to be hard pressed to compete with a 22 year old woman in most cases.

But most people will complain about what they aren't willing to change. That's true of human nature, even outside of the issues of physical appearance. In the two video testimonials above, both people, a guy and a girl, could have done several things to help their situations. Now, to be fair, it's very hard for many people to see the light, when they've had no other positive reinforcement.

Which is another complication no one wants to talk about - Being positive and looking at the glass half full is going to do more for you than anything else from a mindset perspective. But it's easier, far easier, for naturally attractive people to get that positive feedback to start. In essence, unattractive people are likely going to have to spend some hard time and hard years of white knuckling it.
 
Women however operate differently. They have a higher general "floor" than the average man, but almost no other pathways. They are also on a hard clock, as the majority of men prize youth above all else ( i.e. young but at the age of majority) . A 45 year old woman is going to be hard pressed to compete with a 22 year old woman in most cases.
This is why I ignore pretty much everything you write. Do you ever have anything positive to say about anyting?
 
Women however operate differently. They have a higher general "floor" than the average man, but almost no other pathways. They are also on a hard clock, as the majority of men prize youth above all else ( i.e. young but at the age of majority) . A 45 year old woman is going to be hard pressed to compete with a 22 year old woman in most cases.
This is why I ignore pretty much everything you write. Do you ever have anything positive to say about anyting?



Direct Headline: Are Men Biologically Hardwired To Chase After Much Younger Girls?

Katie Jgln Sep 13, 2021

"Most men find younger women to be more desirable...One recent study looked at nearly 200,000 heterosexual users of online dating apps and found that while men’s desirability peaks at age 50, women hit their prime at 18. Yes, that was also the lowest possible age in this research. A different study conducted by a dating website found that ‘the median 30-year-old man spends as much time messaging teenage girls as he does women his own age.’

The conclusion from both of these studies is quite straightforward. Most heterosexual men find much younger women .....to be the most desirable....And from my own experience, these findings make sense. I was getting a lot of attention from older men as a teenager ..... then less so when I was in my early 20s and even less so now, in my late 20s.

As our youth and beauty fade away, so does the attraction from men. And that’s because we live in a patriarchal society that still equals women’s worth to her looks, which are presumed to diminish with age.....

Once we have our desirability scores, we can use them to identify
characteristics of desirable users by comparing scores against various
user attributes. As shown in Fig. 2, for instance, average desirability
varies with age for both men and women, although it varies more
strongly for women, and the effects run in opposite directions: Older
women are less desirable, while older men are more so (18, 19). For
women, this pattern holds over the full range of ages on the site: The

average woman’s desirability drops from the time she is 18 until she is
60. For men, desirability peaks around 50 and then declines.

https://medium.com/the-virago/are-m...o-chase-after-much-younger-girls-66d4d428ee56

https://www.science.org/doi/pdf/10.1126/sciadv.aap9815



Direct Headline: The 11 Physical Features Men Can't Resist, According to Science

By Jessica Leigh Mattern Sep 1, 2017

Science has proven men to be attracted to women with these 6 features. According to the data, here's what it takes to be "attractive:"

1) A Wider Waist to Hips Ratio. A ratio of 7:10 is particularly pleasing, apparently. The waist and hips are related to childbirth, making men think, those big hips would be great for delivering my baby!

2) A High Voice. According to a study cited in the video, a high-pitched voice evokes youthfulness and signifies a small, feminine body, both of which are attractive to men. Let's just say our high-pitched shrieks at the scandalous happenings on the Real Housewives is a sign of evolution at work.

3) Healthy Hair. Shiny, full, and long hair is very attractive. Again, it's a sign of health and fertility. And thankfully, very fake-able with regular salon visits and blowouts. Remember, it's for the future of the human race.

4) Smiles. Well obviously, happy people are attractive people. But science has also proven the whiter the teeth, the better.

5) Less Makeup. You may think that contouring, layers of eye shadow, and bold lips are making you more beautiful, but it turns out, the natural look is more appealing to men. The video says that men prefer women who use up to 40% fewer cosmetics. But it shouldn't take science to tell you that the natural you, is the best you.

6) Wearing Red. There's a reason red is associated with lust. Scientists have proven that wearing red enhances attraction. In fact, they've found this phenomenon to hold true in other animals as well. Note to self: dry clean red dress for Saturday date night.

7) Dark Strands. Gentlemen don't, it turns out, prefer blondes, according to a 2008 survey of 130 men (and 112 women) published in the Scandinavian Journal of Psychology. "Contrary to expectations … brunettes were rated more positively than blondes," the researchers write. Hair length, on the other hand, "had only a weak effect on ratings of attractiveness."

8) Height. One (incredibly thorough) 2010 analysis conducted by experts at The University of New South Wales in Sydney — titled "Much More Than a Ratio: Multivariate Selection on Female Bodies" — showed that although factors such as waist-to-hip ratio and bust size affect how men perceive women, they don't tell the whole story. Taller women were rated as more attractive, but — at least evolutionarily speaking — men aren't necessarily after willowy, runway-ready figures. The men surveyed preferred women with legs that were proportionate in length to their height.

9) Arm Length. Long legs weren't shown to be a feature men seek out, but long arms were. "Scanned bodies of taller women who had longer arms were strongly preferred," the Sydney-based researchers write. Upper arm girth played a role too — apparently men are attracted to women with long and slender arms.

10) Big Boobs. Hope you're sitting down: Believe it or not, men like big boobs. But especially in combination with a narrow waist, which, the researchers note, several previous studies had already established. In more news that will surprise no one, studies that tracked eye movement showed that when looking at images of women, men first checked out their breasts and waists. "Men also looked for longer at breasts, but attractiveness scores were more likely to be based on waist scores alone than the breast scores," they write.

11) Overall Grooming. In a 1997 study published in the journal Current Psychology, changeable features like how people groom themselves and posture were shown to be just as important as fixed features like height. The reason: Evidence of self-care signals to others that you're healthy and strong (and thus, a good reproductive partner).



https://www.redbookmag.com/beauty/n...eatures-men-cant-resist-according-to-science/
 
Women however operate differently. They have a higher general "floor" than the average man, but almost no other pathways. They are also on a hard clock, as the majority of men prize youth above all else ( i.e. young but at the age of majority) . A 45 year old woman is going to be hard pressed to compete with a 22 year old woman in most cases.
This is why I ignore pretty much everything you write. Do you ever have anything positive to say about anyting?


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When I say that women in general have "no other pathways", I'm pointing out that the majority of adult men don't sexually select based on status. Or someone's skill at a hobby or profession. A man can boost his stock in the eyes of many women as a great athlete, a great singer, a great writer, a great poet, a great surgeon, a great scientist, etc, etc. Men with what is considered high social achievement typically have more desirable options in the mating game.

But is the opposite true?

The majority of adult men don't care if a woman has a PHD or not. Or if she's great at most hobbies ( though being recognized opens up how many people she's exposed to, thus increasing the raw number of men who might be interested to have some form of contact/communication)

What do most men care about?

1) Is she cute/pretty? ( An addition to this, in modern culture, is if she is height / weight proportionate or not)

2) Will she have lots of legal consensual hassle free sex with the guy in question?

3) Is she pleasant? (i.e. will she create stress, drama and trouble in exchange for the needed constant interaction to have potential sex)

and sometimes

4) Will she make a good mother or not? (If the male is in a position to consider a long term mate, possibly marriage and possibly having kids)

A guy can be the ugliest guy on the planet, but if he's the starting quarterback for the NY Giants or the starting point guard for the LA Lakers, and is successful at sports, has millions of dollars and fame, well he's going to have options.

JK Rowling is 57 years old. Oprah Winfrey is 69 years old. Both are extremely wealthy, famous and accomplished. Both are household names all over the world. Will that money, fame and power entice some men? Sure. But it's just the same going in the other direction.

I am not reinventing the wheel here. Even if you pushed all the research and studies out of the way, I'm just talking about core issues that people can see every day in real life for themselves. All over the world. The topic is about the social baseline of being considered very attractive or unattractive. But that also has a factor beyond looks. Status, social hierarchy, social proofing, behavior psychology and biological hardwiring all come into play here. But that still splits again depending on gender. I didn't make the rules to how the world works. But this is how it works.

So something I've mentioned to @krista4 before is that the few women who post on the FBG forums on a regular basis essentially get blanket immunity. That means it's very likely you can keep personally attacking me and attempt to hijack this thread at will and there's not much anyone here can do about it.

Also in full disclosure, I was gone for many many years off the FBG forums. But when I returned, multiple people that I exchanged PMs with over time told me to avoid you at all costs. That you are the reason for the removal of the "yoga pants" thread and the "Who Is Hottest" threads. Not that I ever participated in any of those.

I welcome you into this discussion. If you choose to do it. Even after you've attacked me. If you continue to attack me, I will simply respond by raising the level of discussion. But odds are, if you keep attacking me, the thread will likely get locked, since again, you likely have what amounts of full immunity in these forums.

If you want to silence me, or anyone, how about trying to simply raise the level of discussion?

The reason I'm showing you civility isn't because I fear being banned, or being locked out, or being ostracized, or being attacked further. It's because I understand that my reactions are a reflection of myself, first and foremost. Attacking me won't have the end result that you want. Because if you choose to keep doing it, you'll be doing it in front of a mirror. That's something you can't ignore.

I wish you good will and good luck in all things. And if it's not going to happen in the thread topics I start, then I wish you good will and good luck somewhere else instead.
 
Both are curses. Neutral to decently attractive physically with good humor and a big swinging **** = the sweet spot.
 
VIDEO: Why Height Matters In Everything Jan 4, 2022

Height matters because taller men make more money, are more confident, and have more romantic success. The reasons for these advantages become apparent when looking at evolutionary psychology. Height is the trait that nature prefers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbG05ePWRQE


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A clear hard line point

For men, it is clearly height. As the video shows above. It's not the only deal breaker but it is clearly a major one for many. Can it be overcome? Depends on the circumstances, but if the desired woman in question has lots of options, then being shorter as a man , odds on, better be the only thing seen as a limiter

For women, it's clearly weight. There's a reason the weight loss industry is a billion dollar business and many people are so emotionally and mentally invested, to the point of pain and suffering and even risking their own lives, to try to get to and hold a certain weight profile.

Looks are currency. There's no way around it.

When I was a teenager and homeless, I probably reminded the wife, of the couple who took me in, of a son she never had and a child she never had. So it's not just your "looks" and how you look, it's the common labels that come with it.

A pretty young woman who sings in the church choir is a "good girl" , she's a "sweet girl", even if that might not be true in her private life and her character.

A handsome young man with some designs of ambition is seen as a "catch" and a "go-getter" even if that might not be true in his private life and within his overall character.

It's not something that most people talk about , but if all of you looked like Chris Hemsworth or George Clooney or Jon Hamm, your life would likely be dramatically different. Also your level of overall opportunities.
 
Judging by some of our avatars, I'm not sure if this is the correct website to be asking about being too attractive.

Hey man, my avatar is beautiful!



A 45 year old woman is going to be hard pressed to compete with a 22 year old woman in most cases.

Depends what you’re looking for on average imo but as a guy in his 40s, I have no desire for a relationship with a 22yo. They might be nice to look at, so attractive in that sense (which is probably the point here) but the 45yo woman is probably more attractive for anything more than that. (Including a one night stand as generally they’re more likely to know what they’re doing and not just rely on looks)

(Also, my wife turns 45 this year, she’s still the most attractive woman to me - seriously)

I will honestly admit that I have never looked at a woman and thought "those hips would be perfect for having my baby!"

I may have said this to my then fiancé. :bag: four deliveries later including two with no pain medication, I’m happy to say I was correct.
 
I'm noticing a trend in my workforce that the most attractive women are not married, and they are attaining far more success than the mom's. The latter may not be a surprise, but hard to explain the first part.
 
VIDEO: Why Height Matters In Everything Jan 4, 2022

Height matters because taller men make more money, are more confident, and have more romantic success. The reasons for these advantages become apparent when looking at evolutionary psychology. Height is the trait that nature prefers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbG05ePWRQE


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A clear hard line point

For men, it is clearly height. As the video shows above. It's not the only deal breaker but it is clearly a major one for many. Can it be overcome? Depends on the circumstances, but if the desired woman in question has lots of options, then being shorter as a man , odds on, better be the only thing seen as a limiter

For women, it's clearly weight. There's a reason the weight loss industry is a billion dollar business and many people are so emotionally and mentally invested, to the point of pain and suffering and even risking their own lives, to try to get to and hold a certain weight profile.

Looks are currency. There's no way around it.

When I was a teenager and homeless, I probably reminded the wife, of the couple who took me in, of a son she never had and a child she never had. So it's not just your "looks" and how you look, it's the common labels that come with it.

A pretty young woman who sings in the church choir is a "good girl" , she's a "sweet girl", even if that might not be true in her private life and her character.

A handsome young man with some designs of ambition is seen as a "catch" and a "go-getter" even if that might not be true in his private life and within his overall character.

It's not something that most people talk about , but if all of you looked like Chris Hemsworth or George Clooney or Jon Hamm, your life would likely be dramatically different. Also your level of overall opportunities.

The height thing is interesting. Feel like tall dudes basically dont have to try. Was in a wedding this past weekend and one of the bridesmaids (very attractive girl) was there with her husband. Not an especially good looking dude, didn't get the sense that he made great money (wasn't dressed very well) and had the personality of a wet dish rag. Just sat in his seat all night nursing a drink, never went anywhere near the dance floor, didn't even seem to make much conversation. But he was like 6'5.

As a 5'11 dude (with 2 brothers and a dad that are all like 6'3ish.....brutal) I see it all the time. HUGE advantage for the tall guys.
 
I'm noticing a trend in my workforce that the most attractive women are not married, and they are attaining far more success than the mom's. The latter may not be a surprise, but hard to explain the first part.
Not just more attractive but also less likely to take pregnancy leaves or stay home with a sick child.
 
I'm noticing a trend in my workforce that the most attractive women are not married, and they are attaining far more success than the mom's. The latter may not be a surprise, but hard to explain the first part.
More young people are staying single period recently. Females have more opportunity and saw they had more opportunity as they grew up. Generally they are more independent and don’t feel the need to marry young, especially when they are focused on schooling and career.
I saw this in the Army even, which is often a microcosm of society. The female officers were mostly unmarried until they were 7-10 years in or more.
To some degree I think the female standard has increased, they don’t need to settle for a guy to be financially stable.

Generally I think It’s a positive, but I do wonder if we’ll continue to see a drop in fertility and increase in average age of first time parents. And whether that’s a negative for society.
 
I'm noticing a trend in my workforce that the most attractive women are not married, and they are attaining far more success than the mom's. The latter may not be a surprise, but hard to explain the first part.
Not just more attractive but also less likely to take pregnancy leaves or stay home with a sick child.
Well it just goes against preconceived notions about hot women getting a sahm type job and hitting the yoga studio. The ones that cub up are the 3-6s.
 
I'm noticing a trend in my workforce that the most attractive women are not married, and they are attaining far more success than the mom's. The latter may not be a surprise, but hard to explain the first part.
More young people are staying single period recently. Females have more opportunity and saw they had more opportunity as they grew up. Generally they are more independent and don’t feel the need to marry young, especially when they are focused on schooling and career.
I saw this in the Army even, which is often a microcosm of society. The female officers were mostly unmarried until they were 7-10 years in or more.
To some degree I think the female standard has increased, they don’t need to settle for a guy to be financially stable.

Generally I think It’s a positive, but I do wonder if we’ll continue to see a drop in fertility and increase in average age of first time parents. And whether that’s a negative for society.

Oh the drop in fertility for above median earnings on women is well documented. It's going to have all sorts of impacts. France sort of shows how **** can hit the fan fast.
 
I used to work with a young woman who was definitely largely viewed as being on the "hot" side. One day we walked across the street to a lunch place that I had gone to roughly once a month for years that she had never been to. The owner proceeds to start talking us up and asking where we work, what we do, etc. It was very jarring because he'd never shown any interest in having a conversation with me in all of the other times I walked over there. It got me thinking that it probably gets pretty old after a while to constantly have men showering you with attention. Not that that necessarily outweighs the good - clearly an attractive woman will have advantages, but I don't think it's pure upside. It's probably similar to being really smart - definitely on the whole a positive, but it comes with annoyances as well.

As far as being tall, don't tall people have significantly shorter lifespans than short people? I thought I remembered reading that years ago, but maybe it's an urban legend.
 
I used to work with a young woman who was definitely largely viewed as being on the "hot" side. One day we walked across the street to a lunch place that I had gone to roughly once a month for years that she had never been to. The owner proceeds to start talking us up and asking where we work, what we do, etc. It was very jarring because he'd never shown any interest in having a conversation with me in all of the other times I walked over there. It got me thinking that it probably gets pretty old after a while to constantly have men showering you with attention. Not that that necessarily outweighs the good - clearly an attractive woman will have advantages, but I don't think it's pure upside. It's probably similar to being really smart - definitely on the whole a positive, but it comes with annoyances as well.

As far as being tall, don't tall people have significantly shorter lifespans than short people? I thought I remembered reading that years ago, but maybe it's an urban legend.

Going through life with people being nice and attentive to you is much better than being invisible or ridiculed. There's always going to be downsides for anybody regardless of how they look but NOBODY would choose to be unattractive if given the choice.

And in terms of "tall" for men....these days that just means 6'0" and up. I don't think a 6'2" guy has a shorter lifespan than a 5'8" guy. A 7 foot guy maybe that's a different story, but that's a big outlier.

Being tall is not an advantage for women, unless your occupation is a fashion model.
 

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