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I had to go to the hospital tonight, it was a scary place (1 Viewer)

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I am doing just fine and the reason I had to go to the hospital has nothing to do with CV-19, however...for those of you that might need to make a visit to one of your local hospitals in the coming weeks for any variety of reasons, let me tell you how this went tonight because it startled me how things are changing rapidly and new rules and safety measures are being implemented on the fly. This is Palm Beach County in case you are wondering. 

First of all my wife works in this hospital and together we also raise money for the hospital and she has the official hospital badge around her neck as we are making our way up to the front, surely they will let us right in, wouldn't you think? We even called and explained why we needed to come in and were told no problem, no wait time etc...however when we arrived we were stopped 15-20 feet back from the main doors and they had set up a makeshift check in, everyone in full gear and masks. The person who spoke to us first was stressed beyond anything I have seen for a fairly empty wait room but I understood why.

My wife started getting upset because he was asking a LOT of questions about where we have been in the last week or two...we're still 20 feet from the door. I wasn't in the mood to answer questions and also could not hear very well but thanked my wife for trying to speak for me and told her "I got this" and told the gentleman I was happy to answer ALL of his questions and he could talk to me directly. There had to be at least 20 different ways he asked me if I had been on a plane, traveled to NYC/CHI/NO, had the sniffles, had a fever, showed signs of the flu and the questions just kept going and I just smiled and kept answering them. My first bit of advice is be patient and don't play games with the first line fo folks just trying to check you in if you need medical care.

And I want to tell you that it's likely if and when you go, you are going to feel like you might have stepped into a movie set or feel like you are somewhere else, I'm just telling you it's chilling when you see what is happening first hand with your own eyes. 

Once I was inside almost none of the folks coming and going that worked for the hospital would make eye contact with me which just felt weird. Some of the staff seemed confident but many looked scared in a way I just haven't seen. During my visit I must have washed my hands at least 4-5 times. The ER doctor fell out of the sky, this guy had grown up in California, studied in NYC, now in Florida, he was a very kind young man. I thanked him for working thru this awful time and his words were..."This is what I signed up for" and I almost started to tear up but I'm older than this Doogie Howser and didn't want to do that. We lost 2 ER doctors in Miami from a headline I had seen earlier in the day. I left with a much greater admiration for what these folks are really having to go thru right now. If you just see it on TV it might not seem all that real.

The lady who checked me out told me to burn my clothes basically and I don't feel she was kidding. She was not a doctor or nurse but she was scared and I wanted to get out of that hospital as quick as possible. And if I could have avoided the hospital I would have. She also made sure to let me know that this is only the tip of the iceberg for how things will look in a week or two. 

And I'm sure some of you want to know why I had to check in tonight and I will now share why...quite frankly its a little embarrassing but I was going for my walk tonight and I got a bug of some size that flew into my ear and kept buzzing deep inside my ear drum. We were at the middle part of a 3 mile walk and it took a while to get back with this thing buzzing and causing me to drop down once or twice from the pain inside my ear. It wasn't quite Khan but my ear was already leaking liquid wax from the bug burrowing around in there. I tried to dislodge it and I kept hoping it would fly back out but no luck. I tried to do the worst thing possible and use a Q-tip back at the house. The Doctor at the hospital found it quickly but whatever Plan A was involving a rather long and shiny piece of metal didn't work but it sure got that bug to start squirming around in my ear canal and I was starting to make a howling noise so we went to Plan B involving a tube of something squeezed into my ear and the doctor says "There it is" and he pulls out a black beetle and I said "I'll take that" so we decided to put it in a specimen jar for me to take home and look at for a while. It was a lot bigger than a little fly or whatever I thought it was. 

If you can avoid it, stay away from the hospitals right now. And if you do go I would be very thankful if they even open the door for you. It felt like a war zone.

 
Whoa thanks for sharing.

Oh and we know when you say “ear” we actually know you mean “butt”. It’s ok. 
And some more things...while I was being questioned I was having my temperature checked with some device pointed at my forehead and a lady again in full gear but here is what I found bizarre. 

WIfe was NOT ALLOWED IN WITH ME, think about that. 

Back to the bizarre part from my observations, why was I not issued a mask on my way in for the protection of the staff? This thing seems pretty airborne and everyone else has masks, the patients should be wearing them as well. One of the patients had brought his own, it looked different from the ones the medical staff was wearing. 

 
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And some more things...while I was being questioned I was having my temperature checked with some device pointed at my forehead and a lady again in full gear but here is what I found bizarre. 

WIfe was NOT ALLOWED IN WITH ME, think about that. 

Back to the bizarre part from my observations, why was I not issued a mask on my way in for the protection of the staff? This thing seems pretty airborne and everyone else has masks, the patients should be wearing them as well. One of the patients had brought his own, it looked different from the ones the medical staff was wearing. 
Probably a shortage of masks.

 
Probably a shortage of masks.
Agreed, that's pretty logical. 

This happened: Guy wanted to come in with a chest pain and apparently he had just gotten off a plane from Chicago/Detroit and the medical crew in the back where I was, they were cussing and they were livid this person would want to come into a hospital after just getting off a plane...that's exactly what they said and they're human like the rest of us. I don't think they turned him away but I never saw him in the area where I was.  

 
Agreed, that's pretty logical. 

This happened: Guy wanted to come in with a chest pain and apparently he had just gotten off a plane from Chicago/Detroit and the medical crew in the back where I was, they were cussing and they were livid this person would want to come into a hospital after just getting off a plane...that's exactly what they said and they're human like the rest of us. I don't think they turned him away but I never saw him in the area where I was.  
Poor healthcare workers are overwhelmed, stressed and scared. 

 
Right, I thought I was going to lose my ear drum on that side, worst feeling I've had in a while, just felt helpless. And it kept fluttering but not able to fly back out the ear hole and it felt like the scene in Khan, it just throws you off and it really does start to hurt the more it moves in there. 

 
That sucks MOP, hope you are OK and thank you for the first-hand account.

As if anyone needed a reminder: It's incumbent on all of us to do everything possible to stay out of the healthcare system at all costs for the foreseeable future. Every region will have its own timeline of course. Here in NY, I am preparing to stay disengaged from any healthcare providers of any kind whatsoever until 9/1 and doing everything humanly possible for me and my family to make this happen. 

 
That sucks MOP, hope you are OK and thank you for the first-hand account.

As if anyone needed a reminder: It's incumbent on all of us to do everything possible to stay out of the healthcare system at all costs for the foreseeable future. Every region will have its own timeline of course. Here in NY, I am preparing to stay disengaged from any healthcare providers of any kind whatsoever until 9/1 and doing everything humanly possible for me and my family to make this happen. 
I feel really good today and I'm glad I saw what was happening there first hand with my own eyes but I wish I hadn't had to go inside. However, as I see that beetle sitting in my little plastic jar, I'm sure I did the right thing having it removed. 

I think the resources angle someone posted is actually interesting. One could make the argument that doing any physical activity that leads to visiting a doctor right now is taxing the system in some way and this is part of a bigger picture of why folks have to hunker down. If I go play Tennis on a private hard court which I am still doing 2-3x a week and I injure myself to the point I need medical treatment, that's adding to the CV-19 problem even though you don't realize it at the time or prior to having physical activity. 

I will be wearing my ear buds next time I am out and about. 

 

 
And some more things...while I was being questioned I was having my temperature checked with some device pointed at my forehead and a lady again in full gear but here is what I found bizarre. 

WIfe was NOT ALLOWED IN WITH ME, think about that. 

Back to the bizarre part from my observations, why was I not issued a mask on my way in for the protection of the staff? This thing seems pretty airborne and everyone else has masks, the patients should be wearing them as well. One of the patients had brought his own, it looked different from the ones the medical staff was wearing. 
I would not have allowed my wife to go in with me.  Hospital is probably the riskiest place you could be in this situation.  

 
I very clearly broke a toe a couple days ago barefoot stepping on my daughter’s toy on the stairs and then taking an awkward step. There is 0% chance I’m going to a hospital now to have it looked at. Buddy tape and move forward. I’m not risking the chaos and contamination of a hospital.
wife went in for a hug on Friday morning. she was wearing boots, i was barefoot.  she kicked me square on the pinky toe and the one next to it.  hooooooooly #### did it hurt. still does, but not as bad. almost certainly not broken (i don't think), but man alive was that a shocking feeling at 7:30 AM.

walking doesn't make it hurt anymore.. i'll find out tonight if running makes it worse.

not going to a hospital, though. 

 
Million to one shot, doc.  Glad you’re okay and thank you for providing a glimpse of what our FL hospitals are like right now. 

 
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I very clearly broke a toe a couple days ago barefoot stepping on my daughter’s toy on the stairs and then taking an awkward step. There is 0% chance I’m going to a hospital now to have it looked at. Buddy tape and move forward. I’m not risking the chaos and contamination of a hospital.
And you are landing the plane perfectly between what I'm posting and the choices individuals and families are making right now....where is the line?

I know bug in the ear sounds small and I was walking back to the car after the initial greeting 20 feet from the door, it felt like entering the leper colony from Ben-Hur but I will say once I was back where the Higher Ups are, the real doctors and RN types, the care could not have been better. They were much more loose with their body language and just kept things lighter than the waiting room, check in areas.

-The people working for less money in the check in areas, wait room sections, check out clerks, they are not being paid extra for their work and I feel like they should be getting huge bonuses. I don't know exactly what is in that stimulus bill but some hazard pay for high risk essential workers right now would be appreciated. These folks aren't getting anything and because of the virus you are limited in anything you would like to do to for them. I'd love to order pizzas as a "Secret Donor" for all the folks in the ER on one of these shifts but then I'm exposing them to potential problems just from accepting a simple delivery. 

And you don't want to be in these places...I wanted to volunteer for the Seniors that volunteer in our hospital. They come in and wheel patients around the hospital and just try and be cheery to folks coming in for treatments but after last night, I'm scared I caught this thing and I washed my hands repeatedly while I was in there, was mostly alone in a room except when the doctor came in. But I still will likely try and get an appointment to be tested in the next few days. They just opened a drive thru at the Ball Park in Palm Beach starting tomorrow but you must have an appointment and in the beginning it will be for those that show symptoms. 

 
This is the definition of a useless waste of resources.  If it is not an emergency, do not go to the ER.
This seemed to get a bad reaction but from my perspective - NYC has about a weeks worth of hospital PPE supplies rn - pretty much spot on. The consistent guidance I’ve seen is do not just show up at the hospital, call ahead or call your primary care physician. Let them make the call.

But I’m in the epicenter, maybe things aren’t that bad in FL & elsewhere. Over 50% of the USA cases are in NY/NJ.

 
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This seemed to get a bad reaction but from my perspective - NYC has about a weeks worth of hospital PPE supplies rn - pretty much spot on. The consistent guidance I’ve seen is do not just show up at the hospital, call ahead or call your primary care physician. Let them make the call.

But I’m in the epicenter, maybe things aren’t that bad in FL & elsewhere. Over 50% of the USA cases are in NY/NJ.
We called ahead and also this happened at 8:00 on a Sunday night and I can't get to an ear/throat specialist at that time of day. 

I dreaded walking into the hospital last night and tried to leave. I tried to apologize to the ER doctor as well and his reply was "Nonsense" and he said he wouldn't want something like that in his ear overnight, assured me I did the right thing. 

I cannot imagine having to actually work an 8-12 hour shift in the atmosphere I witnessed last night.  There were not any active CV-19 patients anywhere I could see and I asked about them, they told me any they did have were in a special area quarantined off from other patients. But that still didn't make me feel safe in there. 

 
Some parents in here have children who have medical needs and will eventually have to go to either a hospital or a doctor's office that is frequented by lots of folks. It's an awful feeling to not feel safe just going to seek some basic medical treatments. 

Imagine you require surgery and the body is cut open while this virus is airborne. I don't want to amp it up for some folks, I've tried to have a calm tone to most of my posts but this seems like something that will creep up and become a real problem in the coming weeks. 

Some folks will potentially die that never had the CV-19 but become collateral damage in all of this de to other or pre-existing conditions not related in any way to the virus. 

 
We called ahead and also this happened at 8:00 on a Sunday night and I can't get to an ear/throat specialist at that time of day. 

I dreaded walking into the hospital last night and tried to leave. I tried to apologize to the ER doctor as well and his reply was "Nonsense" and he said he wouldn't want something like that in his ear overnight, assured me I did the right thing. 

I cannot imagine having to actually work an 8-12 hour shift in the atmosphere I witnessed last night.  There were not any active CV-19 patients anywhere I could see and I asked about them, they told me any they did have were in a special area quarantined off from other patients. But that still didn't make me feel safe in there. 
A friend is working the ER & he told me 90% of the people he sees are coming in because of Covid-19. He prescreens & sends those who have mild symptoms home. Serious cases get sent upstairs where his son (also a doctor) decides if they need ICU & a ventilator.

Another friend who is a nurse doesn’t like to talk about it so we haven’t ask her much in Zoom chats. It’s a war zone for medical workers here rn.

 
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Imagine you require surgery and the body is cut open while this virus is airborne.
Assuming they don't have your heart, lungs or throat opened up on the table ... COVID virus can't get in and do anything. It's neither "airborne" (floating around in the HVAC or in ambient indoor air) nor bloodborne like HIV or Ebola.

You're having knee surgery and some idiot comes in and sprays coronavirus droplets all up in your opened-up knee joint? You still don't get infected. The virus affects certain types of cells in the body and can't take just any random opening, like an open wound.

 
Assuming they don't have your heart, lungs or throat opened up on the table ... COVID virus can't get in and do anything. It's neither "airborne" (floating around in the HVAC or in ambient indoor air) nor bloodborne like HIV or Ebola.

You're having knee surgery and some idiot comes in and sprays coronavirus droplets all up in your opened-up knee joint? You still don't get infected. The virus affects certain types of cells in the body and can't take just any random opening, like an open wound.
Really? That is the first time I have read that. I thought for sure with all the masks that this thing is being transferred thru breathing in and out by the infected and others breathing in their air. 

If what you say is true, then how is this thing spreading like wildfire? I wouldn't want to be on a plane or on a cruise ship trapped with CV-19 folks breathing the same air. 

 
If what you say is true, then how is this thing spreading like wildfire?
When people weren't hip to what was going on, close contact and fomites were enough to make this thing spread far and wide.

When you read something that says COVID-19 is "airborne", dig into the details. What they're hanging they're hat on is "if someone infected coughs/sneezes close to you -- like within 6 feet or so -- you risk getting infected". What does not happen is "People sharing HVAC air, but with no contact and no common fomites with a carrier are getting infecting " ... like different floors of an office building (though you still gotta watch those elevator buttons, doors, handrails, etc.

EDIT: Fomites will get you wildfire spread all by itself. In a sense, direct spread through coughs/sneezes (much less breathing) is a secondary vector. For comparison with a viral infection that really is carried "on the wind", check out measles -- R0 in the teens because it's a tiny virus that actually does remain airborne in indoor air for hours at a stretch. 

 
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A friend is working the ER & he told me 90% of the people he sees are coming in because of Covid-19. He prescreens & sends those who have mild symptoms home. Serious cases get sent upstairs where his son (also a doctor) decides if they need ICU & a ventilator.

Another friend who is a nurse doesn’t like to talk about it so we haven’t ask her much in Zoom chats. It’s a war zone for medical workers here rn.
I spoke to my Doctor friend on Saturday night and that is case in Northern NJ.  Basically, the take away was do not go to the Hospital unless absolute life/death emergency as you are going to likely get Covid since almost everyone showing up is for Covid.  

 
This seemed to get a bad reaction but from my perspective - NYC has about a weeks worth of hospital PPE supplies rn - pretty much spot on. The consistent guidance I’ve seen is do not just show up at the hospital, call ahead or call your primary care physician. Let them make the call.

But I’m in the epicenter, maybe things aren’t that bad in FL & elsewhere. Over 50% of the USA cases are in NY/NJ.
No, this is pretty much the order worldwide at this point.   Do not go to the ER unless it is absolutely necessary.  

 
wife went in for a hug on Friday morning. she was wearing boots, i was barefoot.  she kicked me square on the pinky toe and the one next to it.  hooooooooly #### did it hurt. still does, but not as bad. almost certainly not broken (i don't think), but man alive was that a shocking feeling at 7:30 AM.

walking doesn't make it hurt anymore.. i'll find out tonight if running makes it worse.

not going to a hospital, though. 
I kicked the wall pretty hard turning the corner too fast a while back. Thought for sure it was a broken toe but it was just jammed. I yanked it back out and it felt better almost instantly. Just saying, might consider that if it doesn't feel better. 

MOP, thanks for sharing man. 

 
And you are landing the plane perfectly between what I'm posting and the choices individuals and families are making right now....where is the line?

I know bug in the ear sounds small and I was walking back to the car after the initial greeting 20 feet from the door, it felt like entering the leper colony from Ben-Hur but I will say once I was back where the Higher Ups are, the real doctors and RN types, the care could not have been better. They were much more loose with their body language and just kept things lighter than the waiting room, check in areas.

-The people working for less money in the check in areas, wait room sections, check out clerks, they are not being paid extra for their work and I feel like they should be getting huge bonuses. I don't know exactly what is in that stimulus bill but some hazard pay for high risk essential workers right now would be appreciated. These folks aren't getting anything and because of the virus you are limited in anything you would like to do to for them. I'd love to order pizzas as a "Secret Donor" for all the folks in the ER on one of these shifts but then I'm exposing them to potential problems just from accepting a simple delivery. 

And you don't want to be in these places...I wanted to volunteer for the Seniors that volunteer in our hospital. They come in and wheel patients around the hospital and just try and be cheery to folks coming in for treatments but after last night, I'm scared I caught this thing and I washed my hands repeatedly while I was in there, was mostly alone in a room except when the doctor came in. But I still will likely try and get an appointment to be tested in the next few days. They just opened a drive thru at the Ball Park in Palm Beach starting tomorrow but you must have an appointment and in the beginning it will be for those that show symptoms. 
No, a bug in the ear doesn't sound small.  It is bothering me just hearing about it.  I immediately thought of Chekov in Khan.  I agree that I'm avoiding the hospital as much as possible, but someone would be getting a bug out of my ear.  Glad you are doing better.

 
Really? That is the first time I have read that. I thought for sure with all the masks that this thing is being transferred thru breathing in and out by the infected and others breathing in their air. 

If what you say is true, then how is this thing spreading like wildfire?
The virus doesn't spread by just landing on you.  You have to help it along by touching your lips, nose, or eyes.  It enters through the mucus membranes there.   After it has been sneezed out, it remains in the air for a short while and lands on surfaces.  You can breathe it in while it's airborne or touch the surface and pick up one of the little pissants.  Washing you hands interupts the transmission and makes the germ the city's problem.

Make sure that with all of the hand washing, you are also moisturizing your skin.  It's your first protection against all infections.

I was wondering if any of the 24 hour urgent care places are open.  Plainly, your problem was not virus related.  They could have seen you with far fewer problems.  Same for broken toes, etc.

 
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The virus doesn't spread by just landing on you.  You have to help it along by touching your lips, nose, or eyes.  It enters through the mucus membranes there.   After it has been sneezed out, it remains in the air for a short while and lands on surfaces.  You can breathe it in while it's airborne or touch the surface and pick up one of the little pissants.  Washing you hands interupts the transmission and makes the germ the city's problem.

Make sure that with all of the hand washing, you are also moisturizing your skin.  It's your first protection against all infections.

I was wondering if any of the 24 hour urgent care places are open.  Plainly, your problem was not virus related.  They could have seen you with far fewer problems.  Same for broken toes, etc.
Urgent Care in my network, those were closed Sunday Night, that was our first choice or plan. I have to be honest though, I had a bad experience at an urgent care involving slicing my pinky where the tip didn't get fixed right and when I lay my hand out flat on a surface you can see the pinky doesn't sit flat. 

Good info Mrs R, I've learned a lot from several posters about this virus in here. Gives me a feeling of some control when I have to enter a grocery store, etc...👍

 
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The virus doesn't spread by just landing on you.  You have to help it along by touching your lips, nose, or eyes.  It enters through the mucus membranes there.   After it has been sneezed out, it remains in the air for a short while and lands on surfaces.  You can breathe it in while it's airborne or touch the surface and pick up one of the little pissants.  Washing you hands interupts the transmission and makes the germ the city's problem.

Make sure that with all of the hand washing, you are also moisturizing your skin.  It's your first protection against all infections.

I was wondering if any of the 24 hour urgent care places are open.  Plainly, your problem was not virus related.  They could have seen you with far fewer problems.  Same for broken toes, etc.
I agree with what you are saying in general.  For broken toes, yep there is nothing that can be done except tape it to the next one so don't go the ER.  I'm not going to urgent care if a beetle has burrowed into my ear canal.

 
Some folks will potentially die that never had the CV-19 but become collateral damage in all of this de to other or pre-existing conditions not related in any way to the virus. 
Welcome to my world. I'm involved in direct patient care, and have seen the fear and isolation of C-19 patients firsthand. I've also seen HCW treat them like lepers. The general anxiety level in the hospital is about an 11 right now. People barely make eye contact, let alone small talk anymore.

I'm also involved in disaster preparedness and infection control. There are about a million unanticipated problems that are arising as the number of cases ramps up, with a commensurate number of multidisciplinary meetings.

And it's still early. 

As to your post, there is absolutely going to be a ton of collateral damage from the pandemic: people who can't get appropriate care because hospitals and ICUs are overwhelmed; cancellation of elective procedures; people who come to the hospital for unrelated issues and catch it; people who avoid seeking medical care because they don't want to catch it, but make their underlying problem worse in the process; increase and alcohol and drug abuse, to deal with the stress of pandemic life, potential for an uptick in domestic abuse and other violent crime; suicides, etc., etc.

I just completed a 7-day work week, and am already dreading going back.

 
As to your post, there is absolutely going to be a ton of collateral damage from the pandemic: people who can't get appropriate care because hospitals and ICUs are overwhelmed; cancellation of elective procedures; people who come to the hospital for unrelated issues and catch it; people who avoid seeking medical care because they don't want to catch it, but make their underlying problem worse in the process; increase and alcohol and drug abuse, to deal with the stress of pandemic life, potential for an uptick in domestic abuse and other violent crime; suicides, etc., etc.

I just completed a 7-day work week, and am already dreading going back.
This really is the suck.  It would really help for there to be a place to go for the obviously non-virus related things that still require treatment.

Do know that your work is truly appreciated.

 
I agree with what you are saying in general.  For broken toes, yep there is nothing that can be done except tape it to the next one so don't go the ER.  I'm not going to urgent care if a beetle has burrowed into my ear canal.
Some people are going to make bad choices.  A bug in the ear can have some pretty bad consequences.  Not that anyone had died from it, as far as I know.

Because insects can scratch and damage the eardrum, it’s also very important to seek out a doctor’s help immediately if you can’t remove the insect yourself.

 
Welcome to my world. I'm involved in direct patient care, and have seen the fear and isolation of C-19 patients firsthand. I've also seen HCW treat them like lepers. The general anxiety level in the hospital is about an 11 right now. People barely make eye contact, let alone small talk anymore.

I'm also involved in disaster preparedness and infection control. There are about a million unanticipated problems that are arising as the number of cases ramps up, with a commensurate number of multidisciplinary meetings.

And it's still early. 

As to your post, there is absolutely going to be a ton of collateral damage from the pandemic: people who can't get appropriate care because hospitals and ICUs are overwhelmed; cancellation of elective procedures; people who come to the hospital for unrelated issues and catch it; people who avoid seeking medical care because they don't want to catch it, but make their underlying problem worse in the process; increase and alcohol and drug abuse, to deal with the stress of pandemic life, potential for an uptick in domestic abuse and other violent crime; suicides, etc., etc.

I just completed a 7-day work week, and am already dreading going back.
I'm happy you stopped in and posted. I have nothing to say except thank you for all your hard work on the ground, on the front lines, and I believe we got off on the wrong foot in the other 500 page monster going on. 

I thought of you when this all happened. My best contributions are typically are ones of real life interactions. I also have the ability to pivot based on real experiences and many do not. I admire and respect the posters who relay similar stories and moments especially in places I have lived before like Los Angeles before I returned to Miami and South Florida. When FBGs are posting about the Trader Joe's in Silver Lake, I've been in that store and walked the same aisles and it's just a fun way to connect experiences. 

I work in fundraising for the hospital and do a lot of public speaking. I also have a P&C Ins Lic and have to listen to endless small business owners call me and let me know they are going broke fast. I'm getting it from multiple sides, on one hand I want to see businesses open and my heart goes out to these men and women who built companies and took the risk and did nothing wrong and will potentially lose everything in a matter of weeks. Same time, you go to just about any hospital in a major city right now and you can't even think about $$$ suddenly. It's a very awful tug of war going on in peoples' hearts and minds. 

God Bless, don't get sick, stay safe and please keep posting any info you have. 

 

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