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Chick-fil-A will no longer donate to anti-LGBTQ organizations

ATLANTA -- Fast food chain Chick-fil-A will no longer fund two organizations that have historically been against same-sex marriage, according to ABC News.

The Georgia-based chain has been under fire from the LGBTQ community for reportedly donating money to The Salvation Army and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes.

Chick-fil-A told ABC News it will refocus its donations to groups centered on "hunger, homelessness and education" in the new year.

"Beginning in 2020 the Chick-fil-A Foundation will introduce a more focused giving approach, donating to a smaller number of organizations working exclusively in the areas of hunger, homelessness and education," Chick-fil-A said in a statement Monday.

"We have also proactively disclosed our 2018 tax filing and a preview of 2019 gifts to date on chick-fil-afoundation.org," the statement added. "The intent of charitable giving from the Chick-fil-A Foundation is to nourish the potential in every child."

Tim Tassopoulos, the president and COO of Chick-fil-A, added that "no organization will be excluded from future consideration -- faith-based or non-faith-based."

The chain currently boasts more than 2,400 restaurants across the country.

Its stance on LGBTQ rights has been the subject of boycotts, anti-boycotts and more for years, since CEO Dan Cathy first drew condemnation from activists in 2012 when he said he supported "the biblical definition of the family unit" -- marriage only between a man and woman.

 
squistion said:
Just days after Chick-fil-A's first restaurant in the United Kingdom opened and amid protests by activists about the company's opposition to same-sex marriage, the chain said on Saturday it will close the site in six months.

Guess the Brits care more about supporting LGBT+ rights than having a "yummy" chicken sandwich. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/19/world/europe/chik-fil-a-uk-lgbtg.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
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Chick-Fil-A planning 20 new restaurants in Michigan.  :pickle:   Finally!

 Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A, Inc. restaurant company is committed to growth in Michigan and plans to build three to four new restaurants per year on average, totaling to over 20 new locations in various parts of the state over the next five years. Chick-fil-A’s expansion in Michigan comes at a time when 25 percent of the company’s new restaurant openings will take place in the Midwest, which attests to the huge growth in that region. In addition, Chick-fil-A has continued its national growth by entering several other new markets across the country. 

Local Ownership of a Responsible Business:

Every Chick-fil-A restaurant is a locally owned and operated small business, creating approximately 80 full- and part-time jobs each with employment and tax benefits going back to the local community. Chick-fil-A franchise owners live and work in the community in which their restaurants are located and are highly involved in the day-to-day operations at the restaurant. Seeking to become highly involved in their local communities, the franchise owners frequently work to support local schools and organizations.

Great food and great service are hallmarks of the Chick-fil-A experience, and each franchise owner aims to run a responsible and sustainable business. For example, all of Chick-fil-A’s napkins, tray liners and Kid’s Meal bags are made from 100 percent recycled content, and every restaurant nationwide recycles. Responsible business decisions extend down to even the coffee served at Chick-fil-A restaurants – the restaurant company chose its specialty-grade coffee partner, THRIVE Farmers coffee, in part because of their farmer-direct model that creates up to 10 times more income for their farmers than traditional coffee models.

Fresh Food with High-Quality Ingredients

Chick-fil-A is known for its menu of fresh, hand-crafted food that offers a variety of options for guests. Signature items include a hand-breaded, pressure-cooked, boneless chicken breast sandwich, Waffle Potato Fries and hand-spun milkshakes. Chick-fil-A’s Michigan restaurants will use only premium ingredients and make many of their menu items from scratch in the restaurant daily, including hand-chopped fruit and salads.

At all Chick-fil-A restaurants, the chicken served is 100 percent whole breast meat, without any fillers, hormones or additives. Each chicken breast is hand-breaded to order and pressure cooked in 100 percent refined peanut oil, which is naturally trans-fat- and cholesterol-free. By the end of 2019, every Chick-fil-A restaurant will serve chicken raised without antibiotics.

Supportive Workplace

Known for developing and retaining young talent, Chick-fil-A offers a supportive workplace with competitive wages and respect for work-life balance (with Sundays off), as well as opportunities for leadership development and promotions that lead to management roles. To help its team members pay for college, the restaurant will also offer the opportunity for college scholarships through the restaurant company’s national program, which has provided more than $30 million to help its team members pay for college since its inception.

Commitment to Customer Service

With a long-standing tradition in the restaurant industry for setting the highest standards in customer service, Chick-fil-A ranked first for customer satisfaction in the Limited Service Restaurants Industry by the American Customer Satisfaction Index for 2015. The company has also earned recognition as one of America’s “Most Inspiring Companies” by Forbes Magazine, one of America’s “Top 20 Most Admired Brands” by The Harris Poll, “Top Fast Food Chicken Chain” – for best chicken sandwich, customer service and cleanliness – by Consumer Reports, among other honors.

For more information about Chick-fil-A and stories about the company’s food, people and customers across the country, visit Inside.Chick-fil-A.com.

About Chick-fil-A, Inc. 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A, Inc. is a family owned and privately held restaurant company founded in 1946 by S. Truett Cathy. Devoted to serving the local communities in which its franchised restaurants operate, and known for its original chicken sandwich, Chick-fil-A serves freshly prepared food in more than 2,000 restaurants in 43 states and Washington, D.C.

Chick-fil-A system sales exceeded $7 billion, which marks 48 consecutive years of sales growth. Chick-fil-A ranked first for customer satisfaction in the Limited Service Restaurants industry according to the 2018 American Customer Satisfaction Index and received the highest ACSI score ever in the industry. The company was also recognized in 2018 as America’s “Top Chicken Restaurant Brand” by The Harris Poll and the only restaurant brand named to the Top 10 “Best Companies to Work For” by 24/7 Wall Street. More information on Chick-fil-A is available on the chain’s website located at www.chick-fil-a.com.

 
Da Guru said:
Chick-Fil-A planning 20 new restaurants in Michigan.  Finally!
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But every purchase of a "yummy" chicken sandwich will no longer support organizations that are against same sex marriage and LGBT rights.  They can open a new restaurant in every city in the nation now as far as I concerned (and if they open one close to where I am in L.A., I will even try it out)

 
squistion said:
But every purchase of a "yummy" chicken sandwich will no longer support organizations that are against same sex marriage and LGBT rights.  They can open a new restaurant in every city in the nation now as far as I concerned (and if they open one close to where I am in L.A., I will even try it out)
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Never get political views get in the way of a good meal.

 
Da Guru said:
Never get political views get in the way of a good meal.
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They should always get in the way if the political views of any eating establishment supports anti-gay or any other minority bigotry, like Chick-Fil-A did before they announced they were ending contributions to these anti-LGBT organizations. 

Segregation in the south ended largely because enough people thought that they would rather not have a good meal than eat at a Woolworth's lunch counter (or other establishments with segregationist policies). Yes, it was officially ended by the The Civil Rights Act of 1964, but many companies, like Woolworth had already made the change because of a loss of business from those who let political views get in the way of eating there. 

 
Da Guru said:
Chick-Fil-A planning 20 new restaurants in Michigan.  :pickle:   Finally!

 Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A, Inc. restaurant company is committed to growth in Michigan and plans to build three to four new restaurants per year on average, totaling to over 20 new locations in various parts of the state over the next five years. Chick-fil-A’s expansion in Michigan comes at a time when 25 percent of the company’s new restaurant openings will take place in the Midwest, which attests to the huge growth in that region. In addition, Chick-fil-A has continued its national growth by entering several other new markets across the country. 

Local Ownership of a Responsible Business:

Every Chick-fil-A restaurant is a locally owned and operated small business, creating approximately 80 full- and part-time jobs each with employment and tax benefits going back to the local community. Chick-fil-A franchise owners live and work in the community in which their restaurants are located and are highly involved in the day-to-day operations at the restaurant. Seeking to become highly involved in their local communities, the franchise owners frequently work to support local schools and organizations.

Great food and great service are hallmarks of the Chick-fil-A experience, and each franchise owner aims to run a responsible and sustainable business. For example, all of Chick-fil-A’s napkins, tray liners and Kid’s Meal bags are made from 100 percent recycled content, and every restaurant nationwide recycles. Responsible business decisions extend down to even the coffee served at Chick-fil-A restaurants – the restaurant company chose its specialty-grade coffee partner, THRIVE Farmers coffee, in part because of their farmer-direct model that creates up to 10 times more income for their farmers than traditional coffee models.

Fresh Food with High-Quality Ingredients

Chick-fil-A is known for its menu of fresh, hand-crafted food that offers a variety of options for guests. Signature items include a hand-breaded, pressure-cooked, boneless chicken breast sandwich, Waffle Potato Fries and hand-spun milkshakes. Chick-fil-A’s Michigan restaurants will use only premium ingredients and make many of their menu items from scratch in the restaurant daily, including hand-chopped fruit and salads.

At all Chick-fil-A restaurants, the chicken served is 100 percent whole breast meat, without any fillers, hormones or additives. Each chicken breast is hand-breaded to order and pressure cooked in 100 percent refined peanut oil, which is naturally trans-fat- and cholesterol-free. By the end of 2019, every Chick-fil-A restaurant will serve chicken raised without antibiotics.

Supportive Workplace

Known for developing and retaining young talent, Chick-fil-A offers a supportive workplace with competitive wages and respect for work-life balance (with Sundays off), as well as opportunities for leadership development and promotions that lead to management roles. To help its team members pay for college, the restaurant will also offer the opportunity for college scholarships through the restaurant company’s national program, which has provided more than $30 million to help its team members pay for college since its inception.

Commitment to Customer Service

With a long-standing tradition in the restaurant industry for setting the highest standards in customer service, Chick-fil-A ranked first for customer satisfaction in the Limited Service Restaurants Industry by the American Customer Satisfaction Index for 2015. The company has also earned recognition as one of America’s “Most Inspiring Companies” by Forbes Magazine, one of America’s “Top 20 Most Admired Brands” by The Harris Poll, “Top Fast Food Chicken Chain” – for best chicken sandwich, customer service and cleanliness – by Consumer Reports, among other honors.

For more information about Chick-fil-A and stories about the company’s food, people and customers across the country, visit Inside.Chick-fil-A.com.

About Chick-fil-A, Inc. 

Atlanta-based Chick-fil-A, Inc. is a family owned and privately held restaurant company founded in 1946 by S. Truett Cathy. Devoted to serving the local communities in which its franchised restaurants operate, and known for its original chicken sandwich, Chick-fil-A serves freshly prepared food in more than 2,000 restaurants in 43 states and Washington, D.C.

Chick-fil-A system sales exceeded $7 billion, which marks 48 consecutive years of sales growth. Chick-fil-A ranked first for customer satisfaction in the Limited Service Restaurants industry according to the 2018 American Customer Satisfaction Index and received the highest ACSI score ever in the industry. The company was also recognized in 2018 as America’s “Top Chicken Restaurant Brand” by The Harris Poll and the only restaurant brand named to the Top 10 “Best Companies to Work For” by 24/7 Wall Street. More information on Chick-fil-A is available on the chain’s website located at www.chick-fil-a.com.
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Im ready for it here. 

 
squistion said:
They should always get in the way if the political views of any eating establishment supports anti-gay or any other minority bigotry, like Chick-Fil-A did before they announced they were ending contributions to these anti-LGBT organizations. 

Segregation in the south ended largely because enough people thought that they would rather not have a good meal than eat at a Woolworth's lunch counter (or other establishments with segregationist policies). Yes, it was officially ended by the The Civil Rights Act of 1964, but many companies, like Woolworth had already made the change because of a loss of business from those who let political views get in the way of eating there. 
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I don`t know Squis,  even before the announcement their growth and popularity are unmatched in the last decade.  

Chick-fil-A is taking over the American fast food market. The chain is the third largest in the US by sales, growing revenue by 16.7% in 2018 to reach nearly $10.5 billion. Read on to see six charts that reveal how Chick-fil-A pulled off its American dominance. Chick-fil-A is one of the most dominant brands in fast food in 2019.

The chain is the third largest in the US by sales, growing revenue by 16.7% in 2018 to reach nearly $10.5 billion, according to Nation's Restaurant News. Over the past decade, it has nearly tripled its annual sales.

Chick-fil-A managed to take over fast food with only a fraction of the locations of other brands. And experts say it shows no sign of stopping.

"Can they double that? I think that is a very reasonable goal for them," Kalinowski Equity Research founder Mark Kalinowski told Business Insider of Chick-fil-A's sales growth in May.

Read more: The inside story of how Chick-fil-A used Christian values and a 'clone army' to build a booming business that's defying the retail apocalypse and taking over America

"I would be surprised if they didn't double their sales in the not-too-distant future," Kalinowski said. "Can they reach $30 billion? I think that's also a realistic goal if you give them enough time. And that will put them ahead of Starbucks." Last year, Chick-fil-A went from No. 7 to No. 3 on Nation's Restaurant News' list of the biggest chains in food by sales.

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These are disappointing comments from Rowling, since Harry Potter is about love and acceptance of people for who they are. I hope she realizes how hurtful her words can be when she openly tweets things that are harmful to the trans community.

J.K. Rowling’s Support of Researcher Fired for Being Anti-Trans Sparks Backlash

J.K. Rowling has sparked backlash after offering support to Maya Forstater, a researcher who lost her job after tweeting that a person cannot change their biological sex.

Rowling took to social media herself Thursday morning, writing, “Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real? #IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill”

Rowling’s comments in support of Forstater, who was a visiting fellow at the Centre for Global Development, came after the researcher lost a court challenge against her termination at the CGD. According to the Guardian, Judge James Tayler ruled that Forstater’s termination was valid since her “absolutist” beliefs regarding biological sex includes referring to a person “by the sex she considered appropriate even if it violates their dignity and/or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment.”

Forstater’s initial tweet read, “What I am so surprised at is that smart people who I admire, who are absolutely pro-science in other areas, and champion human rights & womens rights are tying themselves in knots to avoid saying the truth that men cannot change into women (because that might hurt mens feelings).”

Rowling’s stance quickly received widespread criticism. The Human Rights Campaign, an LGBTQ advocacy group, were among the many who were vocal on social media to condemn Rowling’s position on the subject.

“Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Non-binary people are non-binary. CC: JK Rowling,” the company wrote on Twitter.

Casey McQuiston, author of the queer romance novel “Red, White and Royal Blue,” also offered support on social media to the LGBTQ community.

“Hi. breaking my hiatus real quick just to say: f— what your childhood heroes say. trans people are real. trans people deserve to be protected, recognized, supported, and loved. if that infringes on your idea of feminism, you’re not actually a feminist at all. you’re a bigot.”

 
squistion said:
These are disappointing comments from Rowling, since Harry Potter is about love and acceptance of people for who they are. I hope she realizes how hurtful her words can be when she openly tweets things that are harmful to the trans community.

J.K. Rowling’s Support of Researcher Fired for Being Anti-Trans Sparks Backlash

J.K. Rowling has sparked backlash after offering support to Maya Forstater, a researcher who lost her job after tweeting that a person cannot change their biological sex.

Rowling took to social media herself Thursday morning, writing, “Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real? #IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill”

Rowling’s comments in support of Forstater, who was a visiting fellow at the Centre for Global Development, came after the researcher lost a court challenge against her termination at the CGD. According to the Guardian, Judge James Tayler ruled that Forstater’s termination was valid since her “absolutist” beliefs regarding biological sex includes referring to a person “by the sex she considered appropriate even if it violates their dignity and/or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment.”

Forstater’s initial tweet read, “What I am so surprised at is that smart people who I admire, who are absolutely pro-science in other areas, and champion human rights & womens rights are tying themselves in knots to avoid saying the truth that men cannot change into women (because that might hurt mens feelings).”

Rowling’s stance quickly received widespread criticism. The Human Rights Campaign, an LGBTQ advocacy group, were among the many who were vocal on social media to condemn Rowling’s position on the subject.

“Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Non-binary people are non-binary. CC: JK Rowling,” the company wrote on Twitter.

Casey McQuiston, author of the queer romance novel “Red, White and Royal Blue,” also offered support on social media to the LGBTQ community.

“Hi. breaking my hiatus real quick just to say: f— what your childhood heroes say. trans people are real. trans people deserve to be protected, recognized, supported, and loved. if that infringes on your idea of feminism, you’re not actually a feminist at all. you’re a bigot.”
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Rowling regularly sides with the Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist movement, which denies that transgender people can change their gender.

 
I am uncomfortable having my choice of language thrust upon me by civil punishments such as job loss if or when my language does not keep pace with changing mores and sensibilities.  My discomfort is likely not relevant.  I know I would not want deliberately malicious language choice to pass muster so maybe negligent or ill-informed language choice ought not as well.  Certainly the hurt can be affected by the intent but it does not have to be, and maybe that is the point.  Maybe hurt is hurt and should be avoided.  maybe hurt is part of life and can't be avoided, though this type seems like it often could. Maybe as a member of society I have an obligation to keep up with the changing times, even when it might make me grumpy.  Maybe?  I do worry that we are setting needless traps for ourselves and that we all might benefit by understanding and goodwill, but what do I know.  Sometimes growth is painful, though necessary.  Sometimes it is awkward.  I have survived it thus far. I will probably survive for a while yet. 

 
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squistion said:
These are disappointing comments from Rowling, since Harry Potter is about love and acceptance of people for who they are. I hope she realizes how hurtful her words can be when she openly tweets things that are harmful to the trans community.

J.K. Rowling’s Support of Researcher Fired for Being Anti-Trans Sparks Backlash

J.K. Rowling has sparked backlash after offering support to Maya Forstater, a researcher who lost her job after tweeting that a person cannot change their biological sex.

Rowling took to social media herself Thursday morning, writing, “Dress however you please. Call yourself whatever you like. Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you. Live your best life in peace and security. But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real? #IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill”

Rowling’s comments in support of Forstater, who was a visiting fellow at the Centre for Global Development, came after the researcher lost a court challenge against her termination at the CGD. According to the Guardian, Judge James Tayler ruled that Forstater’s termination was valid since her “absolutist” beliefs regarding biological sex includes referring to a person “by the sex she considered appropriate even if it violates their dignity and/or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment.”

Forstater’s initial tweet read, “What I am so surprised at is that smart people who I admire, who are absolutely pro-science in other areas, and champion human rights & womens rights are tying themselves in knots to avoid saying the truth that men cannot change into women (because that might hurt mens feelings).”

Rowling’s stance quickly received widespread criticism. The Human Rights Campaign, an LGBTQ advocacy group, were among the many who were vocal on social media to condemn Rowling’s position on the subject.

“Trans women are women. Trans men are men. Non-binary people are non-binary. CC: JK Rowling,” the company wrote on Twitter.

Casey McQuiston, author of the queer romance novel “Red, White and Royal Blue,” also offered support on social media to the LGBTQ community.

“Hi. breaking my hiatus real quick just to say: f— what your childhood heroes say. trans people are real. trans people deserve to be protected, recognized, supported, and loved. if that infringes on your idea of feminism, you’re not actually a feminist at all. you’re a bigot.”
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Well...JK just decided to pick a fight with the strongest, most powerful advocacy group that has ever existed in the history of the United States..She is now a dead woman unless she retreats, retracts her comment, and apologizes.  You do NOT go up against the LGBTQ community.  Death Sentence

 
Henry Ford said:
Rowling regularly sides with the Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist movement, which denies that transgender people can change their gender.
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I wasn't aware of her stance on this. But she seems pretty intransigent (so to speak):

Adam B. Vary‏Verified account @adambvary 42m42 minutes ago

LGBTQ advocacy group @glaad says they reached out to @jk_rowling's PR team and offered to facilitate an off-the-record discussion between the best-selling author and members of the trans community. Rowling’s reps declined.

More here:

https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/glaad-j-k-rowling-anti-trans-researcher-1203448964/

 
It concerns me when a court sanctions termination of employment because someone did not conform their choice of language to the preferences of the sensitive.  We are in dangerous waters here. What we may strive for personally in pursuit of our own growth, and what the courts should impose or sanction are different matters in my mind.  Any court which imposes sanctions against offense  being taken when maybe none was intended is, I think, curtailing our freedom, and dangerously so. I don't see a reciprocal application of this principle not being challenges, and rightfully so.   

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
It concerns me when a court sanctions termination of employment because someone did not conform their choice of language to the preferences of the sensitive.  We are in dangerous waters here. What we may strive for personally in pursuit of our own growth, and what the courts should impose or sanction are different matters in my mind.  Any court which imposes sanctions against offense  being taken when maybe none was intended is, I think, curtailing our freedom, and dangerously so. I don't see a reciprocal application of this principle not being challenges, and rightfully so.   
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I don't pretend to know a lot of the details of the case that sparked this particular kerfuffle, but I'm assuming it was not an accidental slip-up.  In my experience, nobody gets offended when you inadvertently address them using the wrong pronouns.  They do tend to get offended when they tell you which pronouns they prefer and you deliberately refuse to do so.  (I don't mean you personally of course).  

There is an extremely loud segment of transgender activists who are are seriously insane.  I don't blame Rowling for refusing to meet with them -- I wouldn't either.  That said, if somebody tells you that they go by "she" and a person stubbornly and ostentatiously insists on calling them "he" instead, it's rude and needlessly confrontational.  If I owned a business, I wouldn't want my employees treating customers or their colleagues that way.

 
I mean, you're a FBG so you have at least one secretary, right?  How many times have you had a conversation like this:

DW's Secretary: You got a phone call from a Chris Smith while you were were having lunch with your supermodel wife.

DW: What did he want?

DW's Secretary: She wanted to employ your awesome legal services.  

DW: Thanks!  I'll call her back later this afternoon.

No big deal, right?  But it would be really weird if you kept using "he" after being corrected.

 
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I don't pretend to know a lot of the details of the case that sparked this particular kerfuffle, but I'm assuming it was not an accidental slip-up.  In my experience, nobody gets offended when you inadvertently address them using the wrong pronouns.  They do tend to get offended when they tell you which pronouns they prefer and you deliberately refuse to do so.  (I don't mean you personally of course).  

There is an extremely loud segment of transgender activists who are are seriously insane.  I don't blame Rowling for refusing to meet with them -- I wouldn't either.  That said, if somebody tells you that they go by "she" and a person stubbornly and ostentatiously insists on calling them "he" instead, it's rude and needlessly confrontational.  If I owned a business, I wouldn't want my employees treating customers or their colleagues that way.
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We are in agreement and I suspect you are correct about the genesis of this.  I too have known some who pick this fight.  I do not like those folks and do not support them.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I mean, you're a FBG so you have at least one secretary, right?  How many times have you had a conversation like this:

DW's Secretary: You got a phone call from a Chris Smith while you were were having lunch with your supermodel wife.

DW: What did he want?

DW's Secretary: She wanted to employ your awesome legal services.  

DW: Thanks!  I'll call her back later this afternoon.

No big deal, right?  But it would be really weird if you kept using "he" after being corrected.
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Full agreement with your sentiments.  As an FYI my first wife was a model.  My current wife an ex-all American gymnast.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
I mean, you're a FBG so you have at least one secretary, right?  How many times have you had a conversation like this:

DW's Secretary: You got a phone call from a Chris Smith while you were were having lunch with your supermodel wife.

DW: What did he want?

DW's Secretary: She wanted to employ your awesome legal services.  

DW: Thanks!  I'll call her back later this afternoon.

No big deal, right?  But it would be really weird if you kept using "he" after being corrected.
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:goodposting:

I have a few interns and several colleagues who use "they" pronouns. It takes a while to get used to using they, instead of he or she, but in general, so long as you realize your mistake, acknowledge them when they correct you, and try to use their preferred pronoun - no big deal. 

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
It concerns me when a court sanctions termination of employment because someone did not conform their choice of language to the preferences of the sensitive.  We are in dangerous waters here. What we may strive for personally in pursuit of our own growth, and what the courts should impose or sanction are different matters in my mind.  Any court which imposes sanctions against offense  being taken when maybe none was intended is, I think, curtailing our freedom, and dangerously so. I don't see a reciprocal application of this principle not being challenges, and rightfully so.   
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This isn't a U.S. decision.  It's a British one.  And her contract just wasn't renewed when it expired, as I understand it.

 
I have a real problem with telling a company "even if your employees publish bigoted statements to the public under a profile listing you as the employer, you have to keep renewing their contracts until they decide to leave your company."

In essence the argument was that while it was okay to not renew her contract for legal reasons, it would be illegal to do so for repeatedly stating that trans women aren't women and public policy in the U.K. shouldn't allow them the put "female" on their driver's licenses.  In much more colorful terms than that.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12P9zf82TicPs2cCxlTnm0TrNFDD8Gaz5/view

 
Henry Ford said:
This isn't a U.S. decision.  It's a British one.  And her contract just wasn't renewed when it expired, as I understand it.
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I understood this to be a British decision.  I did not understand it to be non-renewal. Still, I see general trends here and was not wholly concerned about the specifics.  

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I understood this to be a British decision.  I did not understand it to be non-renewal. Still, I see general trends here and was not wholly concerned about the specifics.  
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I guess I'm confused.  Her lawsuit is an attempt to constrain them from making business decisions as to whom to hire.  The court would have to rule that the business is required to accept her application and hire her in order for this to go differently.

 
Henry Ford said:
I have a real problem with telling a company "even if your employees publish bigoted statements to the public under a profile listing you as the employer, you have to keep renewing their contracts until they decide to leave your company."

In essence the argument was that while it was okay to not renew her contract for legal reasons, it would be illegal to do so for repeatedly stating that trans women aren't women and public policy in the U.K. shouldn't allow them the put "female" on their driver's licenses.  In much more colorful terms than that.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/12P9zf82TicPs2cCxlTnm0TrNFDD8Gaz5/view
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Just started reading this.  Fascinating.  I particularly was immediately confounded by claimants believe that her view, which she claims is fundamentally philosophical, is more prevalently held by women than men and so her dismissal was sexual discrimination.  Where would the basis for such a claim come from?  I guess as I read more I will find out. 

 
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Just started reading this.  Fascinating.  I particularly was immediately confounded by claimants believe that her view, which she claims is fundamentally philosophical, is more prevalently held by women that men and so her dismissal was sexual discrimination.  Where would the basis for such a claim come from?  I guess as I read more I will find out. 
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It's just a riotously weak legal argument.  I don't understand how anyone thought they'd win this one.

 
Basically, if you give this woman her job I don't see why you could refuse to someone for asserting white nationalism or misogyny or really any other abhorrent viewpoint that reflects badly on your business and hiring practices.  That's bad news.

 
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Henry Ford said:
Basically, if you give this woman her job I don't see why you could refuse to someone for asserting white nationalism or misogyny or really any other abhorrent viewpoint that reflects badly on your business and hiring practices.  That's bad news.
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I wonder if there ought to be different standards for the face of a business, say a service industry, and a think tank where the issues are being hotly debated. I also wonder about irrelevant outside opinions, interests or activities to ones work obligations and directly relevant ones to ones work. What matter if a turkey processer is a stripper at night or a Fox news editorialist on the weekends, but maybe it matters if my child care worker is a vocal supporter of NAMBLA. Interesting to me that this woman was working a think tank.

Still reading. Distracted by the typo "tans" instead of "trans" when referring to athletes.  My mind wondered to tanned women athletes.  I truly do lack focus and am more than a bit misogynistic from time to time. 

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
I wonder if there ought to be different standards for the face of a business, say a service industry, and a think tank where the issues are being hotly debated. I also wonder about irrelevant outside opinions, interests or activities to ones work obligations and directly relevant ones to ones work. What matter if a turkey processer is a stripper at night or a Fox news editorialist on the weekends, but maybe it matters if my child care worker is a vocal supporter of NAMBLA. Interesting to me that this woman was working a think tank.

Still reading. Distracted by the typo "tans" instead of "trans" when referring to athletes.  My mind wondered to tanned women athletes.  I truly do lack focus and am more than a bit misogynistic from time to time. 
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On some issues, maybe.  On this one?  I don't think so.  If a turkey processor decides not to hire a member of the KKK, I think that's reasonable.

 
Henry Ford said:
On some issues, maybe.  On this one?  I don't think so.  If a turkey processor decides not to hire a member of the KKK, I think that's reasonable.
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I am not sure I would support a system where KKK members have to be self employed.  Not so much for them as, you know, #### them, but for others who would follow.  Who next, environmentalists, Vegans, Bee Gees fans? 

 
A fascinating decision.  It encapsulates much if not all of the discussion in this thread.  My sense of it is that the Judge feels the debate needs to end, it needs to end with respect for perceived or experienced or lived gender being verbally and semantically acknowledged by others if that information is known or has been conveyed outside of, perhaps, sporting contests.  The Judge seems willing, perhaps, to carve out safety concerns in areas of very private accommodation where folks are vulnerable and exposed, perhaps, to assault due to that privacy.  I found this latter interesting in that while there was substantial discussion of  chromosomes and atypical chromosome constitution, and of hormones and atypical ability to receive and process the same there was almost no, or no discussion or evidence that that folks, women in particular, are more vulnerable around trans persons in private areas.  Perhaps, much as he was protecting the sensibilities of trans person in his rulings he was leaving open the possibility that he would protect the sensibilities of women, particularly those who are frightened of the possibility of sexual assault occurring, or more importantly reoccurring, from trans persons whether that fear is rationally based or not.

For myself, I try to reasonably accommodate the sensibilities of others even if I may find their sensibilities nonsensical.  That said, I don't agree that one has the right to not be offended.  I fear we are moving n that direction and that gives too much authority and dignity to other to control the expression, the freedom, of others.  Long have we struggled with this.  Are there fighting words, can one yell fire in a theatre, does one do damage to the reputation of another particularly in a cognizable financial manner.  These are difficult areas.  I fear we are pushing into even more difficult ones.  I fear that the overly sensitive may take what shields they are provided and pound them into swords.  I fear this because I have witnessed it.  At the same time one may have to acknowledge that if some need shields to begin with that we have failed them.

I will watch the debate as it continues.  I do not actively advocate in this debate except, perhaps, that I, myself, strive to find the dignity, the humanity in all.  there is a rich tapestry out there whether I see it our not.  Sometimes I may have to slow down to take in the full view.  Who knows what wondrous sights I might see and which I may appreciate.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
A fascinating decision.  It encapsulates much if not all of the discussion in this thread.  My sense of it is that the Judge feels the debate needs to end, it needs to end with respect for perceived or experienced or lived gender being verbally and semantically acknowledged by others if that information is known or has been conveyed outside of, perhaps, sporting contests.  The Judge seems willing, perhaps, to carve out safety concerns in areas of very private accommodation where folks are vulnerable and exposed, perhaps, to assault due to that privacy.  I found this latter interesting in that while there was substantial discussion of  chromosomes and atypical chromosome constitution, and of hormones and atypical ability to receive and process the same there was almost no, or no discussion or evidence that that folks, women in particular, are more vulnerable around trans persons in private areas.  Perhaps, much as he was protecting the sensibilities of trans person in his rulings he was leaving open the possibility that he would protect the sensibilities of women, particularly those who are frightened of the possibility of sexual assault occurring, or more importantly reoccurring, from trans persons whether that fear is rationally based or not.

For myself, I try to reasonably accommodate the sensibilities of others even if I may find their sensibilities nonsensical.  That said, I don't agree that one has the right to not be offended.  I fear we are moving n that direction and that gives too much authority and dignity to other to control the expression, the freedom, of others.  Long have we struggled with this.  Are there fighting words, can one yell fire in a theatre, does one do damage to the reputation of another particularly in a cognizable financial manner.  These are difficult areas.  I fear we are pushing into even more difficult ones.  I fear that the overly sensitive may take what shields they are provided and pound them into swords.  I fear this because I have witnessed it.  At the same time one may have to acknowledge that if some need shields to begin with that we have failed them.

I will watch the debate as it continues.  I do not actively advocate in this debate except, perhaps, that I, myself, strive to find the dignity, the humanity in all.  there is a rich tapestry out there whether I see it our not.  Sometimes I may have to slow down to take in the full view.  Who knows what wondrous sights I might see and which I may appreciate.
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I agree with this. “I’m offended” should afford someone exactly zero rights all on its own.  Legally I don’t think that changes. Socially is another matter, and one that hopefully stops where it is. Perhaps even regresses from here. 

 
Henry Ford said:
I agree with this. “I’m offended” should afford someone exactly zero rights all on its own.  Legally I don’t think that changes. Socially is another matter, and one that hopefully stops where it is. Perhaps even regresses from here. 
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Birth can be a messy and painful process.  Birth of new ideas, new paradigms maybe no less than birth of actual babies.  We are ringside for yet another paradigm shift, or attempted shift here.  Perhaps by saying shift I indicate which side of the argument I think will ultimately prevail.  Sometimes I wonder if such times are indeed a blessing.  It may be the ability of life to surprise us and interest us, to engage us, which delays aging, which keeps us alive. 

 
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Just started reading this.  Fascinating.  I particularly was immediately confounded by claimants believe that her view, which she claims is fundamentally philosophical, is more prevalently held by women than men and so her dismissal was sexual discrimination.  Where would the basis for such a claim come from?  I guess as I read more I will find out. 
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I note after reading the decision I was not further informed on the Claimants argument that her attitudes are more prevalently held by women.  She may believe this as she sees it as a woman's safety issue, but men may be just as prevalent to the belief, if not more, for who knows what other reasons.  Regardless, it being one of her claims for relief I thought there would be more discussion of her presumption, one I found from the outset to be remarkable and which I anticipated might be poorly supported, if at all.

 
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/25/politics/daniel-foote-zambia-ambassador/index.html

US ambassador recalled after dispute with Zambian government over gay rights and corruption

Washington (CNN)In an extraordinary move, the State Department is pulling the US ambassador to Zambia after the president there objected to his harsh criticism of the government's record on corruption and gay rights.

Recalling an ambassador is rare, especially when an ambassador is arguing for American values abroad.

US Ambassador Daniel Foote, in a scathing statement on December 2, slammed those in the conservative Christian country who compare homosexuality to bestiality and said he was shocked by the "venom and hate" he received for criticizing the sentencing of two men to 15 years in jail for being in a gay relationship. Same-sex activity is illegal in Zambia.

The harsh tone of Foote's remarks was unusual for a public statement coming from a US diplomat. Foote further blasted Zambian government officials for "stealing millions of dollars in public funds," which the Zambian government has denied.

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Sounds like recalling the Ambassador was the right thing to do with all things considered. 

Also good to see this note at the end of the article.
 

Just last week, US officials led an effort at the UN to call out 69 countries that criminalize same-sex relationships, and urged protections for the LGBTQ community. That effort was led by US Ambassador to the UN, Kelly Craft, and US Ambassador to Germany, Ric Grenell. The White House tweeted a video highlighting the remarks Grenell and Craft made during that meeting.

"I want them to understand that you cannot put someone in jail or kill someone for simply being gay," Grenell, who is gay, said. "This is the first standalone meeting on the de-criminalization of homosexuality sponsored by the United States. So what we are trying to do is unite around something that is absolutely a uniting issue, which is the decriminalization of homosexuality."
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squistion said:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/25/politics/daniel-foote-zambia-ambassador/index.html

US ambassador recalled after dispute with Zambian government over gay rights and corruption

Washington (CNN)In an extraordinary move, the State Department is pulling the US ambassador to Zambia after the president there objected to his harsh criticism of the government's record on corruption and gay rights.

Recalling an ambassador is rare, especially when an ambassador is arguing for American values abroad.

US Ambassador Daniel Foote, in a scathing statement on December 2, slammed those in the conservative Christian country who compare homosexuality to bestiality and said he was shocked by the "venom and hate" he received for criticizing the sentencing of two men to 15 years in jail for being in a gay relationship. Same-sex activity is illegal in Zambia.

The harsh tone of Foote's remarks was unusual for a public statement coming from a US diplomat. Foote further blasted Zambian government officials for "stealing millions of dollars in public funds," which the Zambian government has denied.

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Good old Trump. Sticking up for gay rights and anti-corruption. We get a 2fer here!

 
Wikipedia says max of 14 years for such "unnatural acts" or "acts against the order of nature" while the article cited says 15.  Minor discrepancy.

Wikipedia also mentions ZAPASA an organization advocating against gay rights and behavior.  Googling that acronym yielded me nothing on that organization.

 
HB 1572 says that all publicly-funded elementary and secondary schools in the state “shall require, for an official or unofficial school-sanctioned athletic or sporting event, that each athlete participating in the athletic or sporting event participates with and competes against other athletes based on the athlete's biological sex as indicated on the athlete's original birth certificate issued at the time of birth.” 

Schools that refuse to do so would become “immediately ineligible to continue to receive public funds of any type from this state or a local government.” Officials who intentionally violate it could also face civil penalties of up to $10,000, lose their jobs, and become ineligible for future public office in the state.

http://www.capitol.tn.gov/Bills/111/Bill/HB1572.pdf
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I understand the idea behind it, but the punishment seems harsh.  

 
Summer Wheat said:
This has nothing to do with the gays right?    Just the  people who think they are a different sex than they really are correct?
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It's just making kids participate in sports with the gender that was listed on their birth cert the day they were born. 

 
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