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The Russia Investigation: Trump Pardons Flynn (9 Viewers)

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NEW: More than 400 former Justice Department officials and attorneys signed a statement saying they're "disturbed" by Matthew Whitaker's appointment as acting attorney general https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/justice-department-matthew-whitaker-attorney-general?bftwnews&utm_term=4ldqpgc#4ldqpgc …

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Deep State angry liberals just upset they lost the election amirite!

 
The fact that the Whitaker appointment is just part of the ongoing daily cluster#### narrative of this administration is bananas.  This dude is probably not only totally unqualified, but possibly (likely) a criminal.  No vetting.  Just get in there and run some interference!  The Attorney General.  

Drain the swamp?  Trump is turning the federal government into the Degobah System.

 
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Trump’s White House has pursued what is arguably the harshest set of policies toward Russia since the fall of Communism
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Second sentence of the Vanity Fair article.  This is demonstrably wrong.   

 
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Stone’s lawyer Invoking the Fifth Amendment seems like overkill in response to a request from a ranking member who, unlike a committee chair, has no subpoena power. He could just have said “thanks but no thanks.”

 
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El presidente de Ecuador, Lenín Moreno, habló con Paul Manafort, exjefe de campaña de Donald Trump, sobre su intención de retirar a Julian Assange de la embajada ecuatoriana en Londres

The president of Ecuador, Lenin Moreno, spoke with Paul Manafort, former campaign manager of Donald Trump, on his intention to remove Julian Assange from the Ecuadorian embassy in London

 
The Trump administration's collusion conspiracy with Assange, via fellow colluder Paul Manafort, to remove Assange from the Embassy and then prosecute him.  Absolutely brilliant.  CNN blows another huge hole in the conspiracy theory.  

 
THINGS TO REMEMBER ABOUT MIKE FLYNN

1. In March 2017, his lawyer told the feds Flynn had "a story to tell."

2. In April 2017, Trump called Flynn and told him to "stay strong" (i.e. quiet).

3. Flynn had so much to offer Mueller that Mueller gave him a sweetheart, one-charge deal.

 
ren hoek said:
There's a laundry list of crimes committed by Mueller here: https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/371206-robert-muellers-forgotten-surveillance-crime-spree

his former colleague on Mueller here: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conflicts-of-interest-and-ethics-robert-mueller-and_us_5936a148e4b033940169cdc8

here's the time Mueller was granted immunity from prosecution for post-9/11 abuses.  Ruling that Muslim detainees had no right to sue Mueller and other Bush officials for crimes committed against them: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/21/at-fbi-mueller-oversaw-post-911-torture/

What a good man.  It must be nice being a connected Beltway insider.  
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There are a few grains of interesting analysis in these articles but that are buried in obfuscation. The Hill article, for example, seems to hold Mueller responsible for abuses by the NSA, an agency he never led. 

The final link grossly misrepresents a pretty straightforward Supreme Court ruling, which is that courts won’t imply a cause of action that a statute didn’t create. 

 
dozer said:
2. In April 2017, Trump called Flynn and told him to "stay strong" (i.e. quiet).
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People might be forgetting this one? It seems of a piece now - Trump communicating with Flynn, the joint defense agreement.... with 37 people in it, the contact with Manafort, the contact with Stone and Corsi. I think Mueller could fit this into an overall pattern of obstruction.

 
ren hoek said:
The Trump administration's collusion conspiracy with Assange, via fellow colluder Paul Manafort, to remove Assange from the Embassy and then prosecute him.  Absolutely brilliant.  CNN blows another huge hole in the conspiracy theory.  
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I think NYT reported this first, not CNN. This is actually, specifically a point being made by WL on its tweeter feed, right now. - It's not a bad point on the face of it but it doesn't hold up. The argument is that Trump must be trying to bring Assange to the US to prosecute him. - However that makes several assumptions:

- that Assange is wanted for Manning crimes, or that Assange is wanted for election crimes. Well I think the IC primarily wants him for the Vault 7/8 releases, then for the election, and frankly I think the Manning issue has faded and has for some time.

- In May of 2017 what exactly was it known that Assange was wanted for? Manning? Maybe the election?

- that Manafort/Trump is trying to bring Assange to the US in the first place - they may have been trying to get Assange to freedom or give him transit to (yes) Russia.

- that Trump is cleverly manipulating the DOJ into doing whatever he wants. This is Qanon stuff and that's WL's claim. However it's pretty damned obvious that Trump isn't :drive: the DOJ. He'd like to, and he's trying like hell to, but he is obviously not very clued into reality much less top level DOJ/IC strategy. His own DOJ is pleading with the courts to ignore his public statements as having nothing to do with actual policy. It's #### like this that really makes me think that WL is in deed malicious in its intentions.

 
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ren hoek said:
The Trump administration's collusion conspiracy with Assange, via fellow colluder Paul Manafort, to remove Assange from the Embassy and then prosecute him.  Absolutely brilliant.  CNN blows another huge hole in the conspiracy theory.  
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You’re going to want to read that whole article before you say things like this. 

During the meetings, which took place in mid-May of 2017 in Ecuador, it is reported that Manafort suggested that it could help to reach an agreement that would include the delivery of Assange to the United States, the sources told The New York Times.

In the end, there was no agreement with Ecuador, the newspaper reports. There is no evidence that Manafort was working with President Donald Trump or other officials of his administration, according to the newspaper.

Manafort traveled to Ecuador mainly to see if he could win a large commission to negotiate an agreement for which China would invest in the Ecuadorian power system, the paper reported. Manafort faced a growing debt and needed to pay some legal bills, according to The New York Times.

Carl Bernstein of CNN reported last weekthat the team of special prosecutor Robert Mueller had been investigating a meeting between Manafort and Moreno in 2017 and had asked if WikiLeaks or Assange had been discussed during that meeting, according to a knowledgeable source of the subject
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ren hoek said:
There's a laundry list of crimes committed by Mueller here: https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/371206-robert-muellers-forgotten-surveillance-crime-spree

his former colleague on Mueller here: https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/conflicts-of-interest-and-ethics-robert-mueller-and_us_5936a148e4b033940169cdc8

here's the time Mueller was granted immunity from prosecution for post-9/11 abuses.  Ruling that Muslim detainees had no right to sue Mueller and other Bush officials for crimes committed against them: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/06/21/at-fbi-mueller-oversaw-post-911-torture/

What a good man.  It must be nice being a connected Beltway insider.  




 
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So you're down to attacking Mueller and his character.

Awesome!  :yes:

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
People might be forgetting this one? It seems of a piece now - Trump communicating with Flynn, the joint defense agreement.... with 37 people in it, the contact with Manafort, the contact with Stone and Corsi. I think Mueller could fit this into an overall pattern of obstruction.
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The "overall pattern of obstruction" won't play. It's just Trump being Trump at this point and, as illegal as it is, nobody gives a #### anymore,, unfortunately. 

 
Flynn's sentencing memo out.  Sounds like most of the interesting stuff has been filed under seal and/or redacted.  Asking for no prison sentence and cites "substantial assistance," including 19 interviews.

 
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Flynn's sentencing memo out.  Sounds like most of the interesting stuff has been filed under seal and/or redacted.  Asking for no prison sentence and cites "substantial assistance," including 19 interviews.
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Don’t bury the lede...the assistance is with the investigation of coordination between Russia govt and indviduals associated with the Trump campaign.

 
MUELLER: "Given the defendant’s substantial assistance and other considerations set forth below, a sentence at the low end of the guideline range—including a sentence that does not impose a term of incarceration—is appropriate and warranted."

 
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Remember, Rudy heads a cyber-security company called Giuliani Security and Safety, and advises the President on cybersecurity.   
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Which is just fantastic. I love that he won’t just delete the tweet. It’s hilarious this is the guy defending against the cyber security investigation of the short century.

 
dozer said:
MUELLER: "Given the defendant’s substantial assistance and other considerations set forth below, a sentence at the low end of the guideline range—including a sentence that does not impose a term of incarceration—is appropriate and warranted."
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82.8% chance Trump is on the horn to Whittaker demanding to know what is behind the redactions.

But truth is Bob is going to go 1-2 showing cooperating pays, crime doesn’t.

 
That is excellent  news for Flynn. I really am happy that whatever happened, Mueller doesn't think he deserves jail time. That is good for the country. 

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
82.8% chance Trump is on the horn to Whittaker demanding to know what is behind the redactions.

But truth is Bob is going to go 1-2 showing cooperating pays, crime doesn’t.
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In the interim I imagine the Trump supporters will be crowing about Flynn not doing anything requiring prison time, witch hunt, etc.

 
Ilov80s said:
That is excellent  news for Flynn. I really am happy that whatever happened, Mueller doesn't think he deserves jail time. That is good for the country. 
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Poor MF'er gets strung out by the special prosecutor to squeeze for information, loses his house to pay for lawyers, and then gets let off on a process crime that the FBI didn't think he committed.  Crushed to dust by the infinite weight and power of the federal government.  Quite the Pyrrhic victory.  Yay for "justice".

 
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Poor MF'er gets strung out by the special prosecutor to squeeze for information, loses his house to pay for lawyers, and then gets let off on a process crime that the FBI didn't think he committed.  Crushed to dust by the infinite weight and power of the federal government.  Quite the Pyrrhic victory.  Yay for "justice".
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This was heavily discussed at the time, but please keep in mind that someone who commits first degree murder and pleads it down to negligent homicide isn’t actually guilty of committing negligent homicide. Furthermore, the “didn’t think he was lying” bit is about this:

The report notes that Comey testified that “the agents … discerned no physical indications of deception. They didn’t see any change in posture, in tone, in inflection, in eye contact. They saw nothing that indicated to them that he knew he was lying to them.”

He’s not some weirdo off the street.  He’s Michael Flynn.  He had a touch of an understanding what they were looking for. 

 
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